Post by thread:[OT]: Copyright and IP of published work

I really doubt that one could argue that this would apply to posts made to a public forum. This is for publishers who have _ purchased _ works from authors for initial publication in print media and who then later wish to release these works on the internet or other electronic media without paying the authors again. Again, the entire point of a public forum is to make the posts of its members available to the public. I'm sorry, but no one is paying you for your posts to the PICList (I wish I could, and if I was selling CDs and books for a profit I would) and you are already posting into an electronic media. Mail list server, web site archive, CD, printed copy are all free game due to the implied license of posting to a public forum. --- James Newton (PICList Admin #3) spam_OUTjamesnewtonTakeThisOuTpiclist.com 1-619-652-0593 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org {Original Message removed}

> Again, the entire point of a public forum is to make the posts of its > members available to the public. I disagree with this summary of the PICLIST. It is not a public forum, there are some 2000 members who receive it. When you send a message to the list, you are sending it to the current members, not the general public. And you are only sending it once, in "real-time". The archive of the PICLIST is completely different, it takes the PICLIST and makes it available to anyone, after the fact (a "storage and retrieval" system, if you will). In my opinion, that makes the PICLIST archive and the PICLIST email list two completely different animals. To take it a further step, putting that archive on a CD or other media and selling it, that is even further from the original intent of the PICLIST. I happen to object to the archive in any form, whether available on the web or on CD. DejaNews has been making archives of newsgroups available on the web for a long time now, so my objections to the web archive are probably worthless. A CD archive is a different story, and I bet more people than I would not approve of that use. Cheerful regards, Bob Blick -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Did you know that there is an archive of the piclist on deja as well? Check out the newsgroup comp.arch.embedded.piclist (it also happens to be on the Earthlink news server, and I don't know how many other ISPs carry it). So when you send to the PICList, you are not only sending to the list, but to anyone who subscribes to comp.arch.embedded.piclist, so who knows how many people are actually reading this stuff? jp Bob Blick wrote: {Quote hidden}> > > Again, the entire point of a public forum is to make the posts of its > > members available to the public. > > I disagree with this summary of the PICLIST. It is not a public forum, > there are some 2000 members who receive it. When you send a message to the > list, you are sending it to the current members, not the general public. > And you are only sending it once, in "real-time". > > The archive of the PICLIST is completely different, it takes the PICLIST > and makes it available to anyone, after the fact (a "storage and > retrieval" system, if you will). > > In my opinion, that makes the PICLIST archive and the PICLIST email list > two completely different animals. > > To take it a further step, putting that archive on a CD or other media and > selling it, that is even further from the original intent of the PICLIST. > > I happen to object to the archive in any form, whether available on the > web or on CD. DejaNews has been making archives of newsgroups available on > the web for a long time now, so my objections to the web archive are > probably worthless. A CD archive is a different story, and I bet more > people than I would not approve of that use. > > Cheerful regards, > > Bob Blick > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

All, My feelings on all this is ..... I don't really care what people do with my posts. If they want sell them, I have no objections. But...If my posts are gleaned from the PICLIST or one of it's archives, then the owner of the PICLIST or that archive may have objections. And I have no problem with the owners having objections. I guess what I'm saying is that I post to the PICLIST usually to answer a specific question to a specific person, or to ask a question of the PICLIST. So, therefore, my posts are visible to any member of the PICLIST at any time, or by virtually anyone looking at the archive. So, I keep that in mind and post only those things that I wouldn't mind having anyone at all read. Yes, this includes my rantings and ravings at times. So, as far as I'm concerned, anything I post is public domain. However, it is posted to the PICLIST, so therefore, anyone wanting to use it for anything other than the specific information concerning the PIC processors that it contains to take care of a specific problem they may be having with their PIC needs to secure permission from the PICLIST owner (Moderator) or the archive owner (Moderator). From my point of view, this is the way it should be. Anyone that wants to keep arguing about who has what right or not, go ahead. Knock yourself out. You'll probably find out later on down the road that you wound up shooting yourself in the foot, and wish you had just dropped the matter while you were ahead. Anyway, that's all I have to say about the matter. Regards, Jim On Wed, 27 June 2001, Bob Blick wrote: {Quote hidden}> > > Again, the entire point of a public forum is to make the posts of its > > members available to the public. > > I disagree with this summary of the PICLIST. It is not a public forum, > there are some 2000 members who receive it. When you send a message to the > list, you are sending it to the current members, not the general public. > And you are only sending it once, in "real-time". > > The archive of the PICLIST is completely different, it takes the PICLIST > and makes it available to anyone, after the fact (a "storage and > retrieval" system, if you will). > > In my opinion, that makes the PICLIST archive and the PICLIST email list > two completely different animals. > > To take it a further step, putting that archive on a CD or other media and > selling it, that is even further from the original intent of the PICLIST. > > I happen to object to the archive in any form, whether available on the > web or on CD. DejaNews has been making archives of newsgroups available on > the web for a long time now, so my objections to the web archive are > probably worthless. A CD archive is a different story, and I bet more > people than I would not approve of that use. > > Cheerful regards, > > Bob Blick > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics .....jimKILLspam@spam@jpes.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Pfaff, John wrote: > Did you know that there is an archive of the piclist on deja as well? > Check out the newsgroup comp.arch.embedded.piclist (it also happens to > be on the Earthlink news server, and I don't know how many other ISPs > carry it). So when you send to the PICList, you are not only sending to > the list, but to anyone who subscribes to comp.arch.embedded.piclist, so > who knows how many people are actually reading this stuff? I wonder when this started? That would explain why I get so much spam, more every time I post a message to the piclist. All these years the piclist has struggled to remain an email list and not become a newsgroup, and now it is. What a disappointment. -Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

It says there are about 12,000 Threads (not messages) archived, though I could only go back to about March 13, 2001 just by scrolling back. YMMV. jp Bob Blick wrote: {Quote hidden}> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Pfaff, John wrote: > > Did you know that there is an archive of the piclist on deja as well? > > Check out the newsgroup comp.arch.embedded.piclist (it also happens to > > be on the Earthlink news server, and I don't know how many other ISPs > > carry it). So when you send to the PICList, you are not only sending to > > the list, but to anyone who subscribes to comp.arch.embedded.piclist, so > > who knows how many people are actually reading this stuff? > > I wonder when this started? That would explain why I get so much spam, > more every time I post a message to the piclist. All these years the > piclist has struggled to remain an email list and not become a newsgroup, > and now it is. What a disappointment. > > -Bob > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

As disappointed as you are with everything Bob, I'm amazed you stick with us. Lets hear it for Bobs perseverance and continued assistance on the PICList. Good job Bob. Hang in there, I'm sure eventually someone will come along and clean it all up. People on the usenet newsgroup cannot post to the PICList mailing list. Of course, as you say, your email is most likely being mined as we speak. Dale and I were just looking into a system to catch people who mine the PICList by subscribing directly but I guess its a moot point. I have sent googlegroups an email asking about our options for protecting our members email addresses. We will have to see if they get back to us. --- James Newton (PICList Admin #3) .....jamesnewtonKILLspam.....piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org {Original Message removed}

Unfortunately it's not only googlegroups, it's any news server that decides to carry us (I know for sure that Earthlink DOES carry us), so I don't think you'll have any luck getting it changed. I wonder how it gets onto a newsgroup to begin with? jp "James Newton. Admin 3" wrote: {Quote hidden}> > As disappointed as you are with everything Bob, I'm amazed you stick with > us. Lets hear it for Bobs perseverance and continued assistance on the > PICList. Good job Bob. Hang in there, I'm sure eventually someone will come > along and clean it all up. > > People on the usenet newsgroup cannot post to the PICList mailing list. Of > course, as you say, your email is most likely being mined as we speak. > > Dale and I were just looking into a system to catch people who mine the > PICList by subscribing directly but I guess its a moot point. > > I have sent googlegroups an email asking about our options for protecting > our members email addresses. We will have to see if they get back to us. > > --- > James Newton (PICList Admin #3) > EraseMEjamesnewtonspam_OUTTakeThisOuTpiclist.com 1-619-652-0593 > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org > > {Original Message removed}

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:08:09 -0400, you wrote: >Unfortunately it's not only googlegroups, it's any news server that >decides to carry us (I know for sure that Earthlink DOES carry us), so I >don't think you'll have any luck getting it changed. I wonder how it >gets onto a newsgroup to begin with? Well, I am on earthlink, so I can take a look at that. Selected headers from a representative recent post say: Path: newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!newsfeed.uninet.ee!hagar!not-for-mail X-Trace: hagar.nomad.ee 993738210 19373 127.0.0.1 (28 Jun 2001 14:23:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: mastspam_OUTnomad.ee NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2001 14:23:30 GMT X-gateway-software: newspipe 1.1; Copyright (c) Nomad Systems 1999 So, it all appears to be the work of this nomad.ee site. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email @spam@listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body