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2001\02\06@182521 by Jinx

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Hi all, I was ready to purchase an HP 8250 CD writer (NZ$447)
for archiving, when the same company (http://www.dse.co.nz) then
advertised a Mitsumi 4804TE (NZ$374). The HP is said to be
a 4x4x24x, but the Mitsumi is said to be a 4x4x but "with the power
and performance of a 24x". You can see what I mean at

marketplace.xtra.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.filereader?841337707+EN/catalogs/C
TG0000085

If I save $74 and go for the Mitsumi could I be buying trouble ? Also,
any tips on archiving, choice of media, utilities etc

TIA

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2001\02\06@190324 by Jim Paul

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Jinx,

I have an older 2x10 write once drive, and I have had excellent service
and no problems.  I would buy another one in a minute.

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2001\02\06@191134 by Kevin Maciunas

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On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:25:05 +1300 Jinx <Jinx <spam_OUTjoecolquittTakeThisOuTspamCLEAR.NET.NZ>> wrote:

> Hi all, I was ready to purchase an HP 8250 CD writer (NZ$447)
> for archiving, when the same company (http://www.dse.co.nz) then
> advertised a Mitsumi 4804TE (NZ$374). The HP is said to be
> a 4x4x24x, but the Mitsumi is said to be a 4x4x but "with the power
> and performance of a 24x". You can see what I mean at
>
> marketplace.xtra.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.filereader?841337707+EN/catalogs/C
> TG0000085
>
> If I save $74 and go for the Mitsumi could I be buying trouble ? Also,
> any tips on archiving, choice of media, utilities etc
>
I had a similar choice last year - I chose the HP option.  Here at work we
have a Mitsumi and all I can say is it works fine too.  You don't actually
use the "read" part of the CD-RW all that much, if you have a normal CD too
:-).  Both drives seem about the same speed to my casual observations.

Apropos software, I run GNU/Linux and use a wonderful backup system called
cddump (look on freshmeat.net).  I've had good experience with "Princo"
CD-R and -RW's (<$AU1-00 and $AU3-00 respectively).  Of course, I haven't
archived anything yet for what I'd call an "archival period".  For long
term data storage you might need slightly more expensive media, there are a
couple of different processes available.

Hope this helps
/Kevin
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2001\02\06@210835 by Jinx

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Thanks for tips so far. I have got a CD player installed already
and that will be the one that gets most of the day-to-day use

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2001\02\07@021439 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <002501c09094$5c9b1200$f63561cb@joe>, Jinx
<joecolquittspamKILLspamCLEAR.NET.NZ> writes
>Hi all, I was ready to purchase an HP 8250 CD writer (NZ$447)
>for archiving, when the same company (http://www.dse.co.nz) then
>advertised a Mitsumi 4804TE (NZ$374). The HP is said to be
>a 4x4x24x, but the Mitsumi is said to be a 4x4x but "with the power
>and performance of a 24x". You can see what I mean at
>
>marketplace.xtra.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.filereader?841337707+EN/catalogs/C
>TG0000085
>
>If I save $74 and go for the Mitsumi could I be buying trouble ? Also,
>any tips on archiving, choice of media, utilities etc

I subscribe to the ROXIO (Adaptec) mailing list, there are huge numbers
of complaints about reliability problems with HP drives - apparently HP
don't even make the drives, they just buy them in, often from Philips.

Personally I use a Yamaha drive, these and Plextor seem the best thought
of drives (but unfortunately more expensive).
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2001\02\07@031425 by Jinx

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> of complaints about reliability problems with HP drives - apparently
> HP don't even make the drives, they just buy them in, often from
> Philips.

And who can tell where Philips get them from ? Thanks, I was musing
with someone earlier today about whether the logo matches the innards
of equipment

> Personally I use a Yamaha drive, these and Plextor seem the best
> thought of drives (but unfortunately more expensive).
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> Nigel.

But you get what you pay for. When it comes to tools I always try to
buy the best I can afford. Yamaha's been recommended more than
once to me off-list, I think I should start there

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2001\02\07@044915 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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I have a Yamaha 8x4x24 SCSI burner and it's been 100% reliable.  The only
coasters I've burnt were totaly down to me doing some...errr..experiments
with different settings on some burner software.  But I usualy use Easy CD
Creator (came with the drive) and it does pretty much everything I want it
to.

Mike

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2001\02\07@052245 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

We had an old HP drive (can't remember which model) that was very
unreliable.....burn success hovered around 30%. We upgraded the firmware,
which was supposed to fix some of the problems we had, then found that it
would not read some of our old "left open for further writing"
archives.....

The Philips model we have now (3610) writes successfully about 98% of the
time, even when using the machine while the write is underway (which was a
big no-no for the HP). Probably the greatest reliability improvement is
that we use CDRW discs, then "Beyond Compare" (side by side
directory/source file comparison tool) the disc against the originating
data to ensure that the data file sizes are correct/not missing. Any
differences are highlighted instantly/corrected easily....Of course, that
only effectively checks the file table and not the contents, as such....

Dan





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2001\02\07@091450 by Justin Richards

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If you are also interested in cloning CDROM's, "CLONECD" or is it "CDCLONE"
software
recommends certain writers in thier help and FAQ docs.  It got quite
technical but went something like
only some writers provide access to the subsystem to enable it to be driven
by the software.

Might be worth a look.

Justin
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2001\02\07@093132 by Thomas McGahee

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A little note about connecting up CD and CDR/CDRW drives:

My drives came with instructions as to how to connect
up the drives. I followed the notes exactly and had
miserable results. Then I decided to connect the drives
up the way that made sense to me, based on my understanding
of the IDE motherboard systems. BINGO! Now my units work
like a charm.

Here is what you want to do:

Place your Hard Drive and regular CDROM drive on the 1st
IDE controller.

Place your CDROM burner on the 2nd IDE controller.

This allows concurrent operation of the CDROM burner
and the other devices, slightly speeding up the transfer
of data TO the CDROM burner.

On many systems it really doesn't matter which IDE
controller you use: but if you are experiencing difficulty
with your CDROM burner, try adjusting the system to
the above configuration. Keep the CDROM burner on
the second IDE controller, preferably all by itself.

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2001\02\07@094002 by dre Domingos F. Souza

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>I subscribe to the ROXIO (Adaptec) mailing list, there are huge numbers
>of complaints about reliability problems with HP drives - apparently HP
>don't even make the drives, they just buy them in, often from Philips.

       Now they are made by sony, and are as crap as the philips ones...


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2001\02\07@110236 by Ken Gasper

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All this talk of CD archiving brought to mind a problem I'd like to ask the
list about.  I have a Yamaha 4x2x? SCSI CD-RW and have successfully used it
for a few years without any problems.  In my opinion Yamaha is one of the
best brands out there.

The problem is this.  I normally use Verbatim CDRs (white top, blue bottom)
with no problems.  Recently CompUSA had a deal on 100 12X CDRs  (silver
top, green bottom) for $20US.  I couldn't pass it up.  When I use Adaptec
CD Creator Deluxe (version 4.5, the most recent) it says it recorded the CD
successfully, but when I try looking at it in the CD-RW drive or any CD-ROM
drive for that matter, I see nothing.  CD Creator says the CD is still
"blank recordable media".  If I physically look at the CD I can see the
ring where the burn stopped.

I'm trying to record the CD as an audio CD and I'm using disk-at-once and
closing the session, but still no good.  Has anyone experienced this
before.  Are the CompUSA CDRs just bad.  I now have at least half a dozen
coasters.

My next step was to try recording a data CD, and then maybe try using a
different software package all together.

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2001\02\07@111704 by severson

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> Are the CompUSA CDRs just bad.  I now have at least
> half a dozen coasters.

I have 100 CompUSA coasters. Yuck. Never again.

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2001\02\07@113309 by Bob Blick

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> The problem is this.  I normally use Verbatim CDRs (white top, blue bottom)
> with no problems.  Recently CompUSA had a deal on 100 12X CDRs  (silver
> top, green bottom) for $20US.  I couldn't pass it up.

Never had any problems with them, and I've recommended them to other
people who also never had any problem with them. However, they are so
generic that each batch can be from a different manufacturer. So you may
have a bad stack and the next stack you buy(right, I fully understand you
won't go there again, neither would I) might work fine. CompUSA doesn't
rate very high on my list of retailers, I imagine their suppliers make
sure product that meets certain quality control limits is reserved for
CompUSA :-)

-Bob

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2001\02\07@125502 by Douglas Wood

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I've bought a couple hundred of those blanks and have had good luck with
them. Any coasters made have been my fault.

Are you trying to copy an audio CD? If so, use the "CD Copier" that comes
with Easy CD Creator.

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2001\02\07@134323 by Ken Gasper

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Thanks for the input but I have been using the "CD Copier" in Easy CD
Creator.  I can burn the Verbatim's fine but if I stick in the CompUSA CDs
without any settings changed, it says it created the CD alright, but it's
unreadable.  I think some of the previous replies reaffirm my suspicion
that the batch of CDs I got are bad.





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I've bought a couple hundred of those blanks and have had good luck with
them. Any coasters made have been my fault.

Are you trying to copy an audio CD? If so, use the "CD Copier" that comes
with Easy CD Creator.

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2001\02\08@010935 by Anand Dhuru

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Thomas, it is not a good idea to cascade CD-ROMs and HDDs on the same
channel, especially in today's fast ATA-66 motherboards; this affects the
throughput from your hard disks.
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2001\02\08@030634 by Andrew Warren

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Thomas McGahee <EraseMEtom_mcgaheespamspamspamBeGoneSIGMAIS.COM> wrote:

> Place your Hard Drive and regular CDROM drive on the 1st IDE
> controller.
>
> Place your CDROM burner on the 2nd IDE controller.
>
> This allows concurrent operation of the CDROM burner and the other
> devices, slightly speeding up the transfer of data TO the CDROM
> burner.

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> Thomas, it is not a good idea to cascade CD-ROMs and HDDs on the
> same channel, especially in today's fast ATA-66 motherboards; this
> affects the throughput from your hard disks.

   You're both right; interleaved IDE read/write operations don't
   work very well, and putting a slow PIO-mode CDROM drive on the
   same IDE channel as a fast UDMA hard drive will prevent the hard
   drive from running at its fastest speed.

   To solve both of these problems simultaneously, put your hard
   drives on one channel and your CDROM and CD-RW drives on the
   other, then never copy directly from CDROM to CD-RW.  Instead,
   copy from CDROM to an image on the hard drive, then from that
   image back to the CD-RW.

   With today's fast hard drives, the overhead for a single copy is
   practically unnoticeable.  If you're making multiple copies,
   this method is, of course, even faster than direct disc-to-disc
   copying.

   Most CD-burning software gives you the option to do this
   automatically, so you don't have to explicitly do two copies...
   Some programs, in fact (like "Nero Burning ROM", my CD-burning
   program of choice, available from http://www.nero.com), make the
   "copy through an image on the hard drive" option the default
   behavior.

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2001\02\08@042426 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Placing an ATAPI CDROM as a slave to a hard drive can (allegedly) impact
hard drive transfer rate quite considerably.  I use SCSI so I don't worry
about this, but everything I have read says to keep hard drives on one IDE
channel and slower devices such as CDROM,s ZIP drives etc to another another
channel.

Mike

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