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'[OT]: Brainstorming adult only'
2008\06\30@224317 by Cedric Chang

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My view is that the vast majority ( the masses ) of humans live in a  
self imposed hallucination.  Only a few recognize and admit reality  
for what it is.  Their opinions about what to do about it vary  
widely.  One big hallucination ( an attempt to avoid inconvenient  
truths ) of the masses  is that democracy works in the USA and in  
other large "democratic" countries.  Yes, democracy at the national  
level "works" if you have an incredibly low bar for the definition of  
"working".
If you vote in a national election, you are a fool.  Not only is your  
vote immaterial but if it actually counted, you will still be voting  
for a Demopublican ( sounds like someone who operates machinery to  
tear things down ) or perhaps a Republicrat.  There is virtually no  
difference between the two parties.  If you believe that there is a  
difference, you cannot actually care about liberty or personal  
freedom.  Recently, the Democrats joined the Republicans in approving  
of warrant-less wiretapping.  Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said  
that "impeachment" is not on the table.  If this is so, in what way  
do Democrats differ from the big R's?
So hey, if you like being a slave, why not admit it ?  Go ahead and  
vote in national elections.  Pretend you are doing something "good".  
I would have voted for Ron Paul.  a) he had no chance  b) if  
elected , his power to restore liberty would have been largely  
imaginary.  I would have voted for him while admitting that I was  
indulging in a fantasy .  It will be many , many years  
( centuries ? ) from now before there are enough "phase two" humans  
to replace the "masses" that now inhabit the planet.  Maybe then  
truth-telling will improve.

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'[OT]: Brainstorming adult only'
2008\07\01@032242 by Dario Greggio
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Cedric Chang wrote:

> My view is that the vast majority ( the masses ) of humans live in a  
> self imposed hallucination.  Only a few recognize and admit reality  
> for what it is.  Their opinions about what to do about it vary  
> widely.  One big hallucination ( an attempt to avoid inconvenient  
> truths ) ...

My preferred point of view :)

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2008\07\01@133945 by piclist

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Cedric Chang wrote:
> If you vote in a national election, you are a fool.  Not only is your  
> vote immaterial but if it actually counted, you will still be voting  
> for a Demopublican ( sounds like someone who operates machinery to  
> tear things down ) or perhaps a Republicrat.  There is virtually no  
> difference between the two parties.  If you believe that there is a  
> difference, you cannot actually care about liberty or personal  
> freedom.  Recently, the Democrats joined the Republicans in approving  
> of warrant-less wiretapping.  Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said  
> that "impeachment" is not on the table.  If this is so, in what way  
> do Democrats differ from the big R's?

Wow.  I thought *I* had a low view of humanity.

The democrats and republicans are both prretty awful, yes.  Voiting is
currently a choice between the lesser of two evils.  But it is still
a choice.  Would you prefer to live in Zimbabwe or China?

Democracy is a terrible system of government, but it's the best that we
can do right now.  Every vote DOES count, just look at how close many
elections are.

I can't belive you really think it makes no difference who you vote for.  
Do you think we would be stuck in a war with Iraq if we had elected Gore?
Maybe we would be stuck in something else, who knows, but I can't imagine
it would be worse than the situation we are in now. Ugh.

My personal view is that as long as we have a two party system, we are
going to continue down the wrong road with no real way of changing things.  
The two parties just have too much power and are unwilling to give it up.

We need a voting system where you can rank all canidates.  That way you
are not forced to choose between voting for the lesser of two evils and
throwing your vote away on a third party canidate.  There are many, many
systems that can do this, but good luck in getting any level of government
to support changing the system that got them elected in the first place!

I do love America.  I hate it's current leadership, but I have hope we can
fix it.  It may be misguided hope, but without it I'd be miserable. :-)

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Ian Smith
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