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2000\09\26@195739 by Lance Allen

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On 27 Sep 2000, at 11:00, Jinx wrote:
> The result is that at the
> lower end of the food chain (quite a lot of us, relatively speaking)
> parts become either unavailable in economically practical terms or
> just plain unavailable. The irony is thus that wherever you look
> there are more and more great new devices being made and "for
> sale" but they are so often unobtainable. We just aren't worth the
> paper-work time anymore
>
Warning Moan mode starting.....

It really irritates me that I was trained as a fixer of electronic things,
specifically radios but alas this a rare event now. Someone comes
to me with a VCR, TAM etc and its usually some hideous custom
ASIC or totally unobtainable micro that has failed.
So I migrate to development.. and guess what... there are all these
lovely I.Cs that do exactly what you want.. but you have to buy
7,000,000 of them to even get a look in OR you see a useful
microcontroller .. and you need an ICE, programmer etc that either
costs and arm, a leg and a kidney to buy OR the development gear
is ONLY several hundred dollars but you have to wait for 8 months
for the micros you want.
THEN some delightful character comes onto your list and tells you
that the micro you pour your money, blood ,sweat and tears into is a
pile of pooh and if you are clever .. like him.. you will cast aside
those old dev tools for the new dev tools associated with his
wonderful micro that is so good .... and so the cycle begins again...

Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
state. Were did all the Hippys go?
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2000\09\26@201228 by Dan Michaels

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Lance Allen wrote:
>On 27 Sep 2000, at 11:00, Jinx wrote:
>> The result is that at the
>> lower end of the food chain (quite a lot of us, relatively speaking)
>> parts become either unavailable in economically practical terms or
>> just plain unavailable. The irony is thus that wherever you look
>> there are more and more great new devices being made and "for
>> sale" but they are so often unobtainable. We just aren't worth the
>> paper-work time anymore
>>
>Warning Moan mode starting.....
...........


Now see what you started, Mr Jinx!

You guys don't much understand america. Over here, none of us accept
this low-end of the food-chain idea. We are "all" potential
millionares. In recent survey of students in america, >70% expected
to be rich by age 40. Because there is so much "expectation", no one
wants to cook the golden gooses - cause one day we all plan to be
gooses ourselves. Got it?

best regards,
- danM

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2000\09\26@222226 by hard Prosser

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>Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
>state. Were did all the Hippys go?


They gave up the real world and are now working in University Psych
departments?

(Sorry - couldn't resist)


Richard P

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2000\09\27@063543 by Russell McMahon

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Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
state. Were did all the Hippys go?


West Auckland (eg Jinx & me)

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2000\09\27@122050 by Dan Michaels

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Russell McMahon wrote:
>Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
>state. Were did all the Hippys go?
>
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>West Auckland (eg Jinx & me)
>


As I understand it, Jinx is gonna move to the US and take a job
as backup guitar in ZZTop. [guess all this NZ govt blimey is getting
to him].

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2000\09\27@131638 by M. Adam Davis

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That's a pretty heavy guitar.  But at least he wouldn't be the backup for the
band(s) that smash their guitar.  That would hurt.

-Adam

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2000\09\27@133137 by Andy Howard

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> Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
> state. Were did all the Hippys go?

They won't be far away.  According to a recent BBC radio programme NZ has
the highest per capita consumption of, er, exotic herbal cigarettes, in the
world.








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2000\09\27@140944 by Chris Carr

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Probably the same programme that I heard. I believe some the
wildlife are fond of partaking as well making them easy targets
when driving.

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2000\09\27@151124 by Alice Campbell

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well, according to reliable sources, californias largest cash
value crop is some kind of exotic herbal thing, impossible to
believe NZ consumption greater than local.

nice try, guys.

> Probably the same programme that I heard. I believe some the
> wildlife are fond of partaking as well making them easy targets
> when driving.
>
> Regards
> Chris
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2000\09\27@170425 by James Paul

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Funny, I live just down the road from Frank Beard, the drummer for
ZZTop, and he never mentioned that they were going to hire anyone.
Are Dusty and Billy getting tired?

                                            Regards,

                                              Jim




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2000\09\27@173000 by goflo

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Gross tons gotta be CA, just on population, but
per capita Hawaii blows the doors off anyplace
I've lived. After a while you wonder how anything
ever gets done...

Jack

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> well, according to reliable sources, californias largest cash
> value crop is some kind of exotic herbal thing, impossible to
> believe NZ consumption greater than local.
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> nice try, guys.

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2000\09\27@175120 by Lance Allen

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On 27 Sep 2000, at 14:42, John Gardner wrote:

> Gross tons gotta be CA, just on population, but
> per capita Hawaii blows the doors off anyplace
> I've lived. After a while you wonder how anything
> ever gets done...
>
> Jack
>
Man... you havent seen the "Far North" of N.Z. (above Auckland)
And Nothing does get done!, huge problem with Kids stoned at
school, their parents give it to them. The Police dont even bother to
attempt to control the growing any longer, just the stoned Kids,
violence etc that is integral to such a life-style. A depressing
substitute for a community. Wide spread un-employment dosen't
help.

The real laugh here is a Coalition runs this country, one of its
members is the Green Party that pushes legalizing Wacky Backy
but is vermently opposed to smoking Tobacco.. HHmmmmmm
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2000\09\27@175718 by David VanHorn

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At 02:42 PM 9/27/00 -0700, John Gardner wrote:
>Gross tons gotta be CA, just on population, but
>per capita Hawaii blows the doors off anyplace
>I've lived. After a while you wonder how anything
>ever gets done...

The bridge at Wahiawa cost more than the golden gate, and took longer to build.

Then there's the Red Hill mess, took > 20 years to construct, best I can
figure.
It was still under construction when I left in '87, and it was under
construction when I came in '72, and had been for some time.
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2000\09\27@200645 by Jinx

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> > Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
> > state. Were did all the Hippys go?
>
> They won't be far away.  According to a recent BBC radio programme
> NZ has the highest per capita consumption of, er, exotic herbal
cigarettes,
> in the world.

A significant portion of North Auckland's and East Coast's economy is
weed and benefits based. In a country the size of UK or Japan but
only a fraction of the population, a suitable climate and plenty of bush
cover, remote towns with no industry, "laid-back" lifestylers aren't hard
to find. Unfortunately. A break from life is nice, but I couldn't be on one
all the time, would drive me round the bend

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2000\09\27@200655 by Jinx
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> Funny, I live just down the road from Frank Beard, the drummer for
>  ZZTop, and he never mentioned that they were going to hire anyone.
>  Are Dusty and Billy getting tired?
>
>                                              Regards,
>
>                                                Jim

Shhhhhh. Secret

And not so modest Jim. Frank Beard lives just down the road from YOU

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2000\09\27@201813 by Peter Schultz

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part 1 1114 bytes content-type:text/plain;Corrupt government, bad economists, free market, drogs...
They are bad, but not even close to that what a dictatorship ( the dictator
is the communist party ) with full government control can cause under the
name of communism.
Just my 1.5 cents.
Peter Schultz
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2000\09\27@210641 by Andy Howard

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> well, according to reliable sources, californias largest cash
> value crop is some kind of exotic herbal thing, impossible to
> believe NZ consumption greater than local.

I know this isn't a popular view there - but California isn't a country
(yet) :->  so in terms of national per capita consumption I think it's
entirely possible for NZ to top the league of space cadets; always accepting
that it's the kind of thing that is, almost by definition, impossible to
measure properly in the first place.
I daresay California beats most places on sheer quantity though.

Anyway - the BBC wouldn't lie to me. They're all fine upstanding chaps in
tailcoats and wing collars, broadcasting none but the purest of truths.







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2000\09\27@211246 by Dan Michaels

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James Paul wrote:
> Funny, I live just down the road from Frank Beard, the drummer for
> ZZTop, and he never mentioned that they were going to hire anyone.
> Are Dusty and Billy getting tired?
>

Too many border runs.



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2000\09\27@211508 by Dan Michaels

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Peter Schultz wrote:
>Corrupt government, bad economists, free market, drogs...
>They are bad, but not even close to that what a dictatorship ( the dictator
>is the communist party ) with full government control can cause under the
>name of communism.


What's a "drog"?

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2000\09\27@213433 by Peter Schultz

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part 1 845 bytes content-type:text/plain;Excuse my bad English writing skills, it supposed to read "drugs"
Sorry,
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2000\09\27@215312 by Dan Michaels

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Andy Howard wrote:
>>
>> Time to throw it all in to grow organic vegetables and live off the
>> state. Were did all the Hippys go?
>
>They won't be far away.  According to a recent BBC radio programme NZ has
>the highest per capita consumption of, er, exotic herbal cigarettes, in the
>world.
>

Interesting tidbit. Here in the american west, there are large [???]
bands of hippies that live year round in the national forests.
Loosely called the Rainbow Family. Migrate like snowbirds with
the seasons. 100s of them used to summer in Boulder, and panhandle
on the mall, but the sheriff closed down all the free campgrounds
in Boulder county a couple of years ago, so they aren't as
numerous as before. They are apparently the children of the
flower children of the 60s.

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2000\09\27@232058 by Jinx

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> Then there's the Red Hill mess, took > 20 years to construct, best I
> can figure.
> It was still under construction when I left in '87, and it was under
> construction when I came in '72, and had been for some time.

Yeah but, like, whoa, when it was done man, like, it looked like totally
gnarly dude

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2000\09\28@005153 by Jinx

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> What's a "drog"?

Well, you take an amphibian and a labrador that's not fussy,
champagne on ice, lights down, logs on the fire, a Barry White
CD....... Two months later, hairy tadpoles that chase cats,
mailmen and flies. They'll fetch slippers but who wants gooey
slippers ?

Easier to make than a hippopotamouse or chimpala BTW

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2000\09\28@014526 by Dan Michaels

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Peter Schultz wrote:
>Excuse my bad English writing skills, it supposed to read "drugs"

"drogs"

Aww, shucks, I was hoping they were some exotic new threat to
the nat'l security, like killer zombies from outer space, or
something.

- danM
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2000\09\28@042241 by Quentin

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Jinx wrote:
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> > What's a "drog"?
>
> Well, you take an amphibian and a labrador that's not fussy,
> champagne on ice, lights down, logs on the fire, a Barry White
> CD....... Two months later, hairy tadpoles that chase cats,
> mailmen and flies. They'll fetch slippers but who wants gooey
> slippers ?
>
No man, you are missing the marketing potential here. Imagine an animal
the will fetch your slippers just by using his tongue.
Or scare off would be intruders by confusing them with a loud
"WHOOBBIT!"
Problem is, a high fence would be no problem for this tadpy.
Or...
OK,OK, enough. How do I get this ICD thing working again?

:)
Quentin

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2000\09\28@042256 by Russell McMahon

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>>Corrupt government, bad economists, free market, drogs...


>Excuse my bad English writing skills, it supposed to read "drugs"



I thought it may have been a "droog" as in Clockwork Orange :-)

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2000\09\28@073734 by Andrew Kunz

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>And not so modest Jim. Frank Beard lives just down the road from YOU

Oh, oh, my 15 mS of fame - we're great friends with the group Shadow Gallery,
knew some of them before they were in the group.  (Doesn't mean I like the music
much though).

Andy

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2000\09\28@074453 by Andrew Kunz

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>Corrupt government, bad economists, free market, drogs...
>They are bad, but not even close to that what a dictatorship ( the dictator
>is the communist party ) with full government control can cause under the
>name of communism.


Now, now, the commies DO hold elections.  It's just that there's only one name
on the ballot, and no room for a write-in.  Just like the Bradley groupies
experienced at the hands of the Gorons at the DNC.  I'm no fan of Bill Bradley
or Algore, but that was just too much.  How can they even offer a pretense of
democratic action when they pull stunts like that?!

Andy

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2000\09\28@074510 by Andrew Kunz

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>I know this isn't a popular view there - but California isn't a country
>(yet) :->  so in terms of national per capita consumption I think it's

Do they get to become a country after they fall off the coast at the Next Big
Earthquake? At the very least they could be our second island state <G>

Andy

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2000\09\28@075400 by Russell McMahon

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>No man, you are missing the marketing potential here. Imagine an animal
>the will fetch your slippers just by using his tongue.
>Or scare off would be intruders by confusing them with a loud
>"WHOOBBIT!"
>Problem is, a high fence would be no problem for this tadpy.
>Or...


Here we have such a creature.
We call it a Taniwha




RM



Bbob probably doesn't know about Taniwhas either ;-)

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2000\09\28@085957 by Andy Howard

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> >I know this isn't a popular view there - but California isn't a country
> >(yet) :->  so in terms of national per capita consumption I think it's
>
> Do they get to become a country after they fall off the coast at the Next
Big
> Earthquake? At the very least they could be our second island state <G>


I wonder, if you got enough PICListers to stand along the fault line with
crowbars...

Leveraged secession.





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2000\09\28@093034 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hi Andy,

I think it's more like: YOU can be "written off" if you dare to write
someone else in. <G>

Sean


At 07:40 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Now, now, the commies DO hold elections.  It's just that there's only one name
>on the ballot, and no room for a write-in.  Just like the Bradley groupies

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2000\09\28@093928 by xandinho

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>>Now, now, the commies DO hold elections.  It's just that there's only one name
>>on the ballot, and no room for a write-in.  Just like the Bradley groupies

       Talking about elections, old joke:

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       Chinese: Evely molning


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2000\09\28@103402 by M. Adam Davis

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I was under the impression that some communist countries have a write in, but
also have a special counselling committee for those who use it...

-Adam

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2000\09\28@133712 by Chris Carr

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> > well, according to reliable sources, californias largest cash
> > value crop is some kind of exotic herbal thing, impossible to
> > believe NZ consumption greater than local.
>
> I know this isn't a popular view there - but California isn't a country
> (yet) :->  so in terms of national per capita consumption I think it's
> entirely possible for NZ to top the league of space cadets; always
accepting
> that it's the kind of thing that is, almost by definition, impossible to
> measure properly in the first place.
> I daresay California beats most places on sheer quantity though.
>
> Anyway - the BBC wouldn't lie to me. They're all fine upstanding chaps in
> tailcoats and wing collars, broadcasting none but the purest of truths.
>
Your a bit behind the times.... that was in the days of Reeth. Now in the
Blair Broadcasting Corporation its Amani Suits and Party Line Spin.

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2000\09\28@185907 by Lance Allen

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On 28 Sep 2000, at 7:37, Andrew Kunz wrote:

> >And not so modest Jim. Frank Beard lives just down the road from YOU
>
> Oh, oh, my 15 mS of fame - we're great friends with the group Shadow Gallery,
> knew some of them before they were in the group.  (Doesn't mean I like the music
> much though).
>

I once stood next to Eddy Albert in a que at Knots Berry Farm.. ohh
the glam of it all.
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2000\09\28@192257 by Tony Nixon

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Lance Allen wrote:

> I once stood next to Eddy Albert in a que at Knots Berry Farm.. ohh
> the glam of it all.

British Royalty once visited Brisbane many moons ago and were slowly
motoring along in a parade in thier honor.

I didn't know this and came screaming out of a side street on an old
1942 Harley Davidson which blew smoke, leaked oil, and gave the best and
loudest POP BOOMs from the exhaust whenever you changed gears.

I don't know who was surprised the most, them or me, but the cheers from
the crowd were great for the (very) brief chance I got to lead the way.

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2000\09\28@220151 by Russell McMahon

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>I once stood next to Eddy Albert in a que at Knots Berry Farm.. ohh
>the glam of it all.



Eddy who at where ???

:-)

       RM
       (who actually vaguely knows the latter but not the former!)

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'[OT]: Big Moan.. was NZ polies'
2000\10\02@100720 by Alan B. Pearce
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>As I understand it, Jinx is gonna move to the US and take a job
>as backup guitar in ZZTop. [guess all this NZ govt blimey is getting
>to him].

Hmm, I used to live in West Auckland. Then I got wise and moved to Britain. Now work in the Space Electronics area - no way I could have done that in NZ.

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2000\10\02@104249 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Anyway - the BBC wouldn't lie to me. They're all fine upstanding chaps in
>tailcoats and wing collars, broadcasting none but the purest of truths.

and owned by the government - what was someone saying about monopolies???

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2000\10\02@105234 by Dan Michaels

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:
>>As I understand it, Jinx is gonna move to the US and take a job
>>as backup guitar in ZZTop. [guess all this NZ govt blimey is getting
>>to him].
>
>Hmm, I used to live in West Auckland. Then I got wise and moved to Britain.
Now work in the Space Electronics area - no way I could have done that in NZ.
>


Jinx used to live in the UK, now is in west Auckland, and he's still
not happy. [ask his mom].

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2000\10\02@110219 by Bond Peter S-petbond1

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> >Anyway - the BBC wouldn't lie to me. They're all fine
> upstanding chaps in
> >tailcoats and wing collars, broadcasting none but the purest
> of truths.
>
> and owned by the government - what was someone saying about
> monopolies???

Tsk, tsk.

The BBC aren't *owned* by the government (well, not completely), they are
merely run by one of Blair's minions.

A subtle distinction, I know...

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2000\10\02@111234 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

Much as I dislike to get dragged into "politics schmolitics" but think back
to Newsnight re: "Thatcher and 'oops, we sank the Belgano'" about how
"government friendly" the BBC are.....

Do I trust the BBC? More than occasionally.....

Regards,

Dan




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> >Anyway - the BBC wouldn't lie to me. They're all fine
> upstanding chaps in
> >tailcoats and wing collars, broadcasting none but the purest
> of truths.
>
> and owned by the government - what was someone saying about
> monopolies???

Tsk, tsk.

The BBC aren't *owned* by the government (well, not completely), they are
merely run by one of Blair's minions.

A subtle distinction, I know...

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2000\10\02@185956 by Russell McMahon

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>As I understand it, Jinx is gonna move to the US and take a job
>as backup guitar in ZZTop. [guess all this NZ govt blimey is getting
>to him].

Hmm, I used to live in West Auckland. Then I got wise and moved to Britain.
Now work in the Space Electronics area - no way I could have done that in
NZ.



__________

Maybe not. Then again ...
I live in West Auckland. Amongst other things I'm designing electronics for
exercise equipment for a Taiwanese firm whose major markets are in Europe
and the USA. No aerospace yet though. That will have to wair for my own
launch vehicle :-)


RM

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