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'[OT]: Autotrax EDA Charge?'
2003\07\23@220943 by Josh Koffman

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Hi all. Well, I finally have a machine running win2K, so I browsed over
to the Autotrax website (http://www.autotraxeda.com), only to find out
two things. One, they say they now support win98, and second, that there
seems to be a charge for the software. There are two levels, a $45, and
a $95, yet you can still download the software. Any idea how limited the
free download is? Compared to Eagle, would it be worth shelling out the
$95 for the whole thing?

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2003\07\23@223757 by Brent Brown

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On 23 Jul 2003 at 22:50, Josh Koffman wrote:

> Hi all. Well, I finally have a machine running win2K, so I browsed
> over to the Autotrax website (http://www.autotraxeda.com), only to
> find out two things. One, they say they now support win98, and second,
> that there seems to be a charge for the software. There are two
> levels, a $45, and a $95, yet you can still download the software. Any
> idea how limited the free download is? Compared to Eagle, would it be
> worth shelling out the $95 for the whole thing?

Got this email a couple of days ago, think it answers all your
questions above except for how it compares to Eagle. Sure the author
wont mind it being reprinted here...

<Fwd>

Due to requests from several people, I have decided to extend the
deadline for purchasing AutoTRAX fort $95 until Friday, 25th. July,
2003.

This offer allows allows you to purchase the full version for $95
instead of $495. A saving of $400.

Purchasing information is at:
http://www.autotraxeda.com/Purchase/purchase.html

The base version is still free and only has a limit of 100
terminals/pads.

The Lite version is $45 and has a limit of 600 terminals/pads.

Both the Lite and Full versions come with 12 months of free
downloadable updates and include all new versions until 30th July,
2004.

For the development road map go to:
http://www.autotraxeda.com/Support/Road_Map/road_map.html

You can download the latest version (2.02) from:
http://www.autotraxeda.com

You know I cannot continue developing AutoTRAX (which I love) on
fresh air. So please come on board and help us both make AutoTRAX EDA
the leading tool for PCB design. Surely we can do better than what's
out there and definitely at a better price. And with your help and
feedback...

You can pay by paypal credit card, wire transfer or check at:
http://www.autotraxeda.com/Purchase/purchase.html

$95 is not a lot of money especially considering the competiton.

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Ilija Kovacevic

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2003\07\23@225244 by Josh Koffman

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Ah...interesting. Just for the record, I'm not being cynical or anything
about him wanting to charge. Just didn't seem to be much of an
explanation on the site.

So...now the question is, do I spring for it? Since I just downloaded
it, I don't feel I've used it enough to pass judgement. It seems to look
nice enough from a quick glance at it.

Some key questions:
How steep was the learning curve for you (you in general)?
How hard is it to create new parts?
Are the standard libraries comprehensive?
Has anyone created a decent PIC library?
Has anyone had any trouble submitting boards to board houses?
Does it output standard Gerbers?
Compared to Eagle Light (ignoring the size restriction in Eagle), is
AutoTRAX a better value?

Thanks!

Josh
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Brent Brown wrote:
> Got this email a couple of days ago, think it answers all your
> questions above except for how it compares to Eagle. Sure the author
> wont mind it being reprinted here...
>
> <Fwd>
>
> Due to requests from several people, I have decided to extend the
> deadline for purchasing AutoTRAX fort $95 until Friday, 25th. July,
> 2003.

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2003\07\23@231740 by Brent Brown

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Oops, I forgot to say that I haven't used it myself. It looked good
to me so I downloaded it, but a good deal came up for Protel DXP and
I went for that instead. Should be someone around here that can pass
comment on Autorax EDA though.

On 23 Jul 2003 at 23:33, Josh Koffman wrote:

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2003\07\24@102851 by Josh Koffman

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Brent, I actually meant this as a general "you" as in anyone on the
list, not you particularly. Sorry about that :)

So does anyone have any input on this? Here are my questions again:

> > How steep was the learning curve for you (you in general)?
> > How hard is it to create new parts?
> > Are the standard libraries comprehensive?
> > Has anyone created a decent PIC library?
> > Has anyone had any trouble submitting boards to board houses?
> > Does it output standard Gerbers?
> > Compared to Eagle Light (ignoring the size restriction in Eagle), is
> > AutoTRAX a better value?

Thanks,

Josh
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Brent Brown wrote:
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> Oops, I forgot to say that I haven't used it myself. It looked good
> to me so I downloaded it, but a good deal came up for Protel DXP and
> I went for that instead. Should be someone around here that can pass
> comment on Autorax EDA though.

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2003\07\24@143208 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:33:51 -0400, Josh Koffman wrote:

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>Some key questions:

>How steep was the learning curve for you (you in general)?

Autotrax is pretty straightforward. I consider it very intuitive. I
haven't used Eagle very much but the learning curve for Autotrax seems
easier than with Eagle. YMMV. :=)


>How hard is it to create new parts?

Very easy.


>Are the standard libraries comprehensive?

They're not tremendously comprehensive but creating new parts is very
easy. The author has implemented 'net libraries' that allow users to
share parts through his web site.


>Has anyone created a decent PIC library?

What parts might you need? You can generate just about any new PIC
part in a half hour or so. The program also exports XML files for easy
sharing.


>Has anyone had any trouble submitting boards to board houses?

I haven't had any boards produced yet but the Gerber outputs pass
FreeDFM checks and the output files look good with GC Prevue.


>Does it output standard Gerbers?

Yes.


>Compared to Eagle Light (ignoring the size restriction in Eagle), is
>AutoTRAX a better value?
>

I think so. Autotrax is still under active development but I expect
that it will soon be 'ready for prime time'.

In a full-blown (and fully-funded) commercial situation, I wouldn't
bet the farm on Autotrax just yet. It's close but not quite there yet.
The author is rapidly whipping things into shape. He responds very
quickly to problem reports and has published a roadmap for future
development efforts.

You might want to take a look at the archives at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/autotrax/

You can see what's been going on as the program has evolved. (BTW,
over there, my nick is bob_xyz. I'm sure that there are a few other
PIClisters in the group as well.)


Regards, Bob

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2003\07\24@162457 by Josh Koffman

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Thanks for the insight Bob. So I guess for the semi advanced hobbiest
(with aspirations of higher), the $95 deal is pretty good compared to
Eagle. I can live with a few problems, especially since you said he is
still fixing things regularly.

I'll check out the yahoo group.

Anyone else have any opinions?

Josh
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