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2007\02\22@091148 by Peter P.

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Withstand     -200C: check
Withstand     +150C: check
Withstand txic env.: check
Withstand 1% humid.: check
Withstand vacuum.  : check
Withstand press.   : check
Wisthand radiation : check
Hibernate 10+years : check

In fact, assuming one has a T. contamination, how does one kill these things off
? I suppose they would wallow in HCl and ask for some H2SO4 to go with it, and
some X rays for the buzz ? And they are multicellular, move, and have a simple
nervous system. I wonder if the Viking experiments could catch a bug like this ?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

unbelievable creatures,

Peter P.


2007\02\22@100429 by Steven Howes

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> Withstand     -200C: check
> Withstand     +150C: check
> Withstand txic env.: check
> Withstand 1% humid.: check
> Withstand vacuum.  : check
> Withstand press.   : check
> Wisthand radiation : check
> Hibernate 10+years : check

Sounds like the specs for circuits I get asked to make.

2007\02\22@105617 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>> Withstand     -200C: check
>> Withstand     +150C: check
>> Withstand txic env.: check
>> Withstand 1% humid.: check
>> Withstand vacuum.  : check
>> Withstand press.   : check
>> Wisthand radiation : check
>> Hibernate 10+years : check
>
>Sounds like the specs for circuits I get asked to make.


You forgot one:

Cost: < $5


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2007\02\22@112006 by William Couture

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On 2/22/07, Michael Rigby-Jones <Michael.Rigby-JonesspamKILLspambookham.com> wrote:

> >> Withstand     -200C: check
> >> Withstand     +150C: check
> >> Withstand txic env.: check
> >> Withstand 1% humid.: check
> >> Withstand vacuum.  : check
> >> Withstand press.   : check
> >> Wisthand radiation : check
> >> Hibernate 10+years : check
> >
> >Sounds like the specs for circuits I get asked to make.
>
> You forgot one:
>
> Cost: < $5

Doable, as long as the customer is willing to accept a "reasonable"
failure rate...

Bill

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2007\02\22@123952 by Alanis, Cristo jesus n/a

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Cost: < $5
Find some on your soup, priceless...
There are some things money can buy, for .... Yada yada yada


> {Original Message removed}

2007\02\22@140114 by Peter P.

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Michael Rigby-Jones <Michael.Rigby-Jones <at> bookham.com> writes:

> >> Withstand     -200C: check
> >> Withstand     +150C: check
> >> Withstand txic env.: check
> >> Withstand 1% humid.: check
> >> Withstand vacuum.  : check
> >> Withstand press.   : check
> >> Wisthand radiation : check
> >> Hibernate 10+years : check
> >
> >Sounds like the specs for circuits I get asked to make.
>
> You forgot one:
>
> Cost: < $5

Toughest requirement ever asked from me, by my boss, an engineer at the time
(I'm a technician): you must achieve 100% success rate (over hundreds of pieces
of equipment). I wonder where he studied ?

Peter P.


2007\02\22@151156 by Peter Todd

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On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 03:49:36PM -0000, Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:
> >> Withstand     -200C: check
> >> Withstand     +150C: check
> >> Withstand txic env.: check
> >> Withstand 1% humid.: check
> >> Withstand vacuum.  : check
> >> Withstand press.   : check
> >> Wisthand radiation : check
> >> Hibernate 10+years : check
> >
> >Sounds like the specs for circuits I get asked to make.
>
>
> You forgot one:
>
> Cost: < $5

Also, look cuddly under a microscope.

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2007\02\23@034914 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Toughest requirement ever asked from me, by my boss,
>an engineer at the time (I'm a technician): you must
>achieve 100% success rate (over hundreds of pieces
>of equipment). I wonder where he studied ?

Did you point out to him that the cost would then escalate to that of
instruments that get put into space? Or that he would need an open ended
budget?

2007\02\23@052629 by Peter P.

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Peter Todd <pete <at> petertodd.ca> writes:

> > >> Withstand     -200C: check
> > >> Withstand     +150C: check
> > >> Withstand txic env.: check
> > >> Withstand 1% humid.: check
> > >> Withstand vacuum.  : check
> > >> Withstand press.   : check
> > >> Wisthand radiation : check
> > >> Hibernate 10+years : check
> > >
> > >Sounds like the specs for circuits I get asked to make.

> > You forgot one:
> >
> > Cost: < $5
>
> Also, look cuddly under a microscope.

Gummi bears forever ! (literally - these things are older than cockroaches and
will outlive them too).

Imho, when someone is looking at an organism that could be a candidate for
(rapid) panspermia at least in the solar system, look no further. These guys and
a few hardy extremophile bacteria or algae they could feed on frozen in a
meteorite slammed out of some planet with H2O (by another meteorite) and
slamming into some planet with H2O within 10 years or so and there's your
panspermia in action.

I used to think that the sterilization done to spacecraft before sending them
off to other planets is overkill. Not anymore. And, in fact, I think that normal
sterilization will not get these guys. Withstand 150 degC ? Oops, we may have
been involved in panspermia. But now it is easy to find proof ;-)

Peter P.


2007\02\23@055751 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Imho, when someone is looking at an organism that could be a
> candidate for
> (rapid) panspermia at least in the solar system, look no
> further. These guys and
> a few hardy extremophile bacteria or algae they could feed on
> frozen in a
> meteorite slammed out of some planet with H2O (by another
> meteorite) and
> slamming into some planet with H2O within 10 years or so and
> there's your
> panspermia in action.

But I wonder what those lovely bears would eat on that new planet? From
the description I understand that the eat bacteria, algea, and sometimes
each other. Not a likely candidate for starting (laying the bottom of) a
food chain.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2007\02\23@082525 by Peter P.

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Wouter van Ooijen <wouter <at> voti.nl> writes:

> But I wonder what those lovely bears would eat on that new planet? From
> the description I understand that the eat bacteria, algea, and sometimes
> each other. Not a likely candidate for starting (laying the bottom of) a
> food chain.

That's why I said 'and some bacteria or algae they feed on'. E.g. if these gummi
bears would be, say, frozen, hibernating when a meteorite would hit and propel a
piece of ice into circumsolar orbit, then it would be likely that they would
hibernate among their usual nutrients, which should also be hibernating at the
time. By 'rapid' panspermia I meant that a higher organism turned out to be an
extremophile (I did not know that this was possible) and that that might cut a
couple of tens of millions of years in the time needed to evolve intelligent
life (if any) at the destination.

Peter P.


2007\02\23@090114 by Tony Smith

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> Imho, when someone is looking at an organism that could be a
> candidate for
> (rapid) panspermia at least in the solar system, look no
> further. These guys and a few hardy extremophile bacteria or
> algae they could feed on frozen in a meteorite slammed out of
> some planet with H2O (by another meteorite) and slamming into
> some planet with H2O within 10 years or so and there's your
> panspermia in action.
>
> I used to think that the sterilization done to spacecraft
> before sending them off to other planets is overkill. Not
> anymore. And, in fact, I think that normal sterilization will
> not get these guys. Withstand 150 degC ? Oops, we may have
> been involved in panspermia. But now it is easy to find proof ;-)
>
> Peter P.


That's why the Galileo spacescraft was crashed into Jupiter, not Europa.

The bugs might like it there.  Besides, Mr Clarke said we shouldn't.

Tony

2007\02\23@164615 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Peter P. wrote:

> [...] and that that might cut a couple of tens of millions of years in
> the time needed to evolve intelligent life (if any) at the destination.

I didn't know that was possible so fast. For all I know, we're still
trying... and no light at the end of the tunnel in sight :)

Gerhard

2007\02\24@040444 by Peter P.

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Now that I think about it I think that I saw some of the orange gummi bears in a
garden last year. They were on a stone with moss on it. They were the bright
orange kind and very small. Too small to make out with the naked eye really but
*very* orange.

Peter P.


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