Post by thread:[OT]: AC mains into PIC pin

Changed the topic tag :) Comments within... Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Russell McMahon wrote: > > > I am sure you wouldn't place a post referring to "Chilly Bins" > > Also called "Eskys" by our Oz brethren. > Insulating container for food or drink. Usually kept cold with ice. > Often found to contain (or have contained) beer > Often polystyrene. > I've no idea what our US brothers call these. In Canada, called coolers, or sometimes by a couple of common brand names such as Coleman or Igloo > > > "Jandals" > > Casual footwear with a flattish sole and two (usually) rubber (like) straps > extending from a vertical common point at the front to points at each side > about ?70% from the front. The vertical common point fits between the > wearers big and second toe. Foot slips in and out easily. Not recommended > for running in or motorcycling :-(. Generally called flip flops, or just plain sandals. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>And don't get me started on "aluminum", darn >how can you remove letters from an element in >the periodic table to suit the pronunciation of >the ignorant masses? Surely American scientists >actually spell the elements correctly even if >aluminum siding salesmen can't?? Well at least they changed the spelling to match the pronunciation. Not like saying "sodder" for "solder" and how about my favourite, Arkansas, and Kansas. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spam_OUTlistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

>It's always intrigued me why the language had to be "simplified" :-) Ahh someone who has not lived in England. How would you expect to pronounce Towcester. ???? It is pronounced as "Toaster" - no wonder the Americans gave English an overhaul, but then see my previous message on this :)) -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> How would you expect to pronounce Towcester. ???? > > It is pronounced as "Toaster" - no wonder the Americans gave English an > overhaul, but then see my previous message on this :)) The British are good at such things: Cholmondeley? Chumly Worcestershire? Worster Pall Mall Pell Mell Pell Mell Pell Mell :-) Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (pass) Only exceeded by Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakit anatahu here in New Zealand. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Dale Botkin wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Alan B. Pearce wrote: > > > Well at least they changed the spelling to match the pronunciation. > > > > Not like saying "sodder" for "solder" > > > > and how about my favourite, Arkansas, and Kansas. > > Or Gloucestershire, or Worcester, or... But that's not an entire nation mis-spelling the name of an element in the periodic table when the rest of the world can get it right! Just the local residents pronunciation of their home towns and i'm sure you will find "sloppy" town names like this in ANY country, even the ones that can spell elements. <grin> -Roman -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Roman Black wrote: > But that's not an entire nation mis-spelling > the name of an element in the periodic table > when the rest of the world can get it right! Hrmm... interesting. Actually it was a Brit - Sir Humphrey Davy - that originally proposed "aluminum", but later changed it to the -ium ending to be more consistent with the other element names. I won't apologize for the way we spell or pronounce anything; wasn't my decision. I'm just glad to be here, following local custom. Dale -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

But don't you realize that this is what gives Engand its charm? Why change it? David "Alan B. Pearce" wrote: {Quote hidden}> >It's always intrigued me why the language had to be "simplified" :-) > > Ahh someone who has not lived in England. > > How would you expect to pronounce Towcester. ???? > > It is pronounced as "Toaster" - no wonder the Americans gave English an > overhaul, but then see my previous message on this :)) > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email @spam@listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email KILLspamlistservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

But that's not an entire nation mis-spelling the name of an element in the periodic table when the rest of the world can get it right! Huh? Lots of languages have "local" names for assorted elements. Even saw some of the original names go by ("Kalium") BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Russell, > FWIW, be aware that the official and correct spelling of Al is > Aluminum. > It was not always so. Are you sure? "In 1761 de Morveau proposed the name "alumine" for the base in alum. In 1807, Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal, undiscovered at that time, and later agreed to change it to aluminum. Shortly thereafter, the name aluminium was adopted by IUPAC to conform with the "ium" ending of most elements. Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and therefore the international standard. Aluminium was also the accepted spelling in the U.S.A. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical Society decided to revert back to aluminum, and to this day Americans still refer to aluminium as "aluminum". -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

There seems to be at least one error in that story because IUPAC was founded in 1919, which is hardly "shortly thereafter" to the early 1800s. Sean At 10:04 AM 11/12/2002 +1100, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>Russell, > >>FWIW, be aware that the official and correct spelling of Al is >>Aluminum. >>It was not always so. > >Are you sure? > >"In 1761 de Morveau proposed the name "alumine" for the base in alum. >In 1807, Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal, undiscovered at >that time, and later agreed to change it to aluminum. Shortly >thereafter, the name aluminium was adopted by IUPAC to conform with the >"ium" ending of most elements. Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and >therefore the international standard. Aluminium was also the accepted >spelling in the U.S.A. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical >Society decided to revert back to aluminum, and to this day Americans >still refer to aluminium as "aluminum". > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> There seems to be at least one error in that story because IUPAC was > founded in 1919, which is hardly "shortly thereafter" to the early > 1800s. Well, it was quoted and the "shortly thereafter", comes after "and later agreed to change it ..." Are you disputing the fact "the name Aluminium was adopted by IUPAC..." or "Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and therefore the international standard."?" as these are the main significant points of the "story". When IUPAC was actually founded is irrelevant. Sean -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> I suggest you tell the people at http://www.webelements.com as it > appears > that the description below was copied from there. Yes, it was Martin and I had thought I posted the complete link as well, but your post made me check and I had not pasted it in; www.webelements.com/webelements/scholar/elements/aluminium/ history.html However, I think it's not even worth pointing out to them. ;-) Cheers, Sean -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservEraseMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

they look more like PGP signatures than place names ;-) {Quote hidden}> -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Russell McMahon > Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 10:16 PM > To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT]: AC mains into PIC pin > > > > How would you expect to pronounce Towcester. ???? > > > > It is pronounced as "Toaster" - no wonder the Americans gave English an > > overhaul, but then see my previous message on this :)) > > The British are good at such things: > > Cholmondeley? Chumly > Worcestershire? Worster > Pall Mall Pell Mell > Pell Mell Pell Mell :-) > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch > (pass) > > Only exceeded by > > > Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapimaungahoronukupoka > iwhenuakit > anatahu > > here in New Zealand. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email EraseMElistservspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> > FWIW, be aware that the official and correct spelling of Al is > > Aluminum. > > It was not always so. > > Are you sure? I suspect my comment was based on pre 1990 information. I remember a rambling and convincing discourse (possibly by Isaac Asimov) about why Aluminum was "correct" even though it was euphonically displeasing to those who speak (real) English. Here's some more http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm Apparently IUPAC officially saw the light and got it right (last time around) in 1990. I say lets all go for the ORIGINAl name and sidestep all the argument. From now on it should be, at least for PICList purposes, as it originally was in 1807, Alumium. RM :-) > "In 1761 de Morveau proposed the name "alumine" for the base in alum. > In 1807, Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal, undiscovered at > that time, and later agreed to change it to aluminum. Shortly > thereafter, the name aluminium was adopted by IUPAC to conform with the > "ium" ending of most elements. Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and > therefore the international standard. Aluminium was also the accepted > spelling in the U.S.A. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical > Society decided to revert back to aluminum, and to this day Americans > still refer to aluminium as "aluminum". -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservSTOPspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Hi Sean, I wasn't disputing either point, since I really don't know the correct answer (i.e., which spelling is preferred by IUPAC). I was just being picky about the way they worded it. As I read it, they are saying that Davy was the one who "later agreed to change it". Since he made his original suggestion in 1807, I am assuming that he "later agreed to change it" at some point in the next 50 years or so, not anytime very close to 1919. Sean At 11:14 AM 11/12/2002 +1100, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>>There seems to be at least one error in that story because IUPAC was >>founded in 1919, which is hardly "shortly thereafter" to the early >>1800s. > >Well, it was quoted and the "shortly thereafter", comes after "and >later agreed to change it ..." > >Are you disputing the fact "the name Aluminium was adopted by IUPAC..." >or "Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and therefore the international >standard."?" as these are the main significant points of the "story". >When IUPAC was actually founded is irrelevant. > >Sean > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email spamBeGonelistservSTOPspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email KILLspamlistservspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Sean, > I wasn't disputing either point, since I really don't know the correct > answer (i.e., which spelling is preferred by IUPAC). According to Russell, they changed their minds again in 1990 - wimps! > I was just being picky about the way they worded it. Fair enough. > As I read it, they are saying that Davy was the one who "later agreed > to change it". Well somebody else has volunteered something similar, so this part sounds right. > Since he made his original > suggestion in 1807, I am assuming that he "later agreed to change it" > at > some point in the next 50 years or so While he still had his marbles? :-) > not anytime very close to 1919. Fair enough. I gave up trying to navigate the official IUPAC site. It seems mostly about p**sing in each other's pockets. We don't have a problem with the yanks. If we we really wanted to annoy them, then the Brits, Kiwis and Aussies could start using rhyming slang on the list! :-) Cheers, Sean -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> Are you sure? > > "In 1761 de Morveau proposed the name "alumine" for the base in alum. > In 1807, Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal, undiscovered at > that time, and later agreed to change it to aluminum. Shortly > thereafter, the name aluminium was adopted by IUPAC to conform with the > "ium" ending of most elements. Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and > therefore the international standard. Aluminium was also the accepted > spelling in the U.S.A. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical > Society decided to revert back to aluminum, and to this day Americans > still refer to aluminium as "aluminum". Hmm, very interesting, both sides have a valid case. Aluminium is the "official" way, Aluminum is the "traditional" way. FWIW I'm in Canada and although most pronouce it the "American" way I prefer to pronouce it the "official" way, just sounds better IMHO. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email @spam@listserv@spam@spam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Herman, > Hmm, very interesting, both sides have a valid case. Aluminium > is the > "official" way, Aluminum is the "traditional" way. I think here lies the argument - "traditional" for Brits, Aussies and Kiwis is with the 'extra' syllable. Where in North America they might look on the word Aluminium as being wrong or having some nostalgic value - for us it's simply the correct word to use. Shortly after I moved to Taiwan, I was in the process of establishing my own company. With my first son on the way and trying to get a new company up and running, I needed some dough. I got a job writing User Guides for a networking (hardware and software) company. The company had had pretty poor documentation at best. I worked for a fixed price, but really put a lot of time and effort into my first major job - in order to prove they had made a wise choice! I showed my colleagues for their critique, then handed my first (very polished) draft in to my boss. He flicked through it and seemed somewhat impressed. Then he closed it and studied the front cover for a long time - almost meditating. Then finally he looked at me with a frown and said "It's very good Sean, but this flag - shouldn't it be an American flag?" On the front cover I had the "Union Jack" and underneath the words "English Version" - I couldn't believe it, but then decided that it was so typically a Taiwanese comment. They think the sun shines out of Uncle Sam's backside (even though Uncle Sam left them High & Dry). Rather than argue my point, I simply deleted the flag altogether! :-) FWIW, I take this far less seriously than some on the list. I just find an interest in the origins of words and their meanings. I certainly won't accept my kids spelling words with the American spelling. I am proud to still use the original English, and accept that it must evolve. I just wish it would evolve internationally. Sean -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spamBeGonelistservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 20:48, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote: > On the front cover I had the "Union Jack" and underneath the words > "English Version" - I couldn't believe it, but then decided that it was > so typically a Taiwanese comment. They think the sun shines out of > Uncle Sam's backside (even though Uncle Sam left them High & Dry). > Rather than argue my point, I simply deleted the flag altogether! Oh, I *must* poke some fun back here... High and dry? Is that what I should call my tax dollars paying for a Carrier Air Group and embarked Air Wing near the South China Sea day and night, year-round, to keep their neighbors to their west from getting too frisky? (No matter what order you put the dates in... GRIN.) I don't see any Aircraft Carriers flying the Union Jack providing much cover for the Straits. Not that a Harrier would be much use over open ocean, anyway... make a nice splash is about it when an AAMRAM copy came off the rails of a Flanker (Su-27) 100 miles away... nice fat hot slow TARGET. Nate, .....natespam_OUTnatetech.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList TakeThisOuTpiclist-unsubscribe-request.....TakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu