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'[OT]: 250MB ZIP Iomega Clik of Death'
2001\01\25@093115 by Peter Crowcroft

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This happened to me last 4/2000 on my two month old drive. After some weeks
the shop replaced it.

Tonight it started again and the disks are failing and the clik, cliking.

What is the current status of Iomega disks used for backup?

I only used it about 5 minutes a day for daily changed file backup. It is
easy and simple to use. But now the disk system itself seems unreliable.

Any suggestions for a quick and easy daily changed files backup? xcopy is
so easy to use in conjunction with the ZIP disk.

Is the 100MB ZIP drive more reliable?
regards,

Peter Crowcroft
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2001\01\25@094118 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Tonight it started again and the disks are failing and the clik, cliking.

I do not use Iomega Zip units, and had thought of getting them, but was put off
by items I saw that seemed to indicate that the click of death also damaged the
formatting on the disks themselves. If these disks were then used in another
drive the damaged formatting then started the same performance in the new drive.


As I say THIS IS MY IMPRESSION OF THE PROBLEM. Do check this out.
Entering +click +of +death into Yahoo produced several sites which seem to have
good info.

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2001\01\25@100021 by Arthur Brown

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I belive the Iomega zip drives are having a bad time as a company i do work
for as lost a lot of information that was on 100MB zip drives, over last 2
years.

They now use LS120 drives as a replacement for 3-5" floppy and are also used
through the printer port and usb ports on all thier desktops and portables.

Regards Art.
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2001\01\25@104010 by M. Adam Davis

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There is servo information encoded on the zip disk itself, when a disk is
put into the drive, it synchronizes itself with that information.

Sometimes a drive will go bad and wipe out part of that information, at
which point the disk is also destroyed (I understand you can have the data
recovered but it is a pretty penny), and, as mentioned above, the drive is
already bad.  The clicking is the head banging around trying to find that
servo track.

This design is inherently evil.  Evil, evil, evil.  The Jaz drives suffer
from this less, but I would just stay away from zip unless you only wanted
to use it to replace your floppy drive (though I think the floppy drive is
significantly more reliable), I wouldn't use it for backup, and I
definitely wouldn't store information on it as a single point of storage
(i.e., sure, save something to zip, but keep a copy somewhere else.)

Now, I know several people who haven't had a single problem with their zip
drives, and the click of death is much less common than it used to be.
But the few times it has happened (to me and others) it has put a very
sour taste in our mouths.  Mind you, I find that those drives that do go
bad are usually used several times a day, and still last for a year before
going bad.  Those that stay good for a long time appear to be rarely used.

If you'd like really definitive anecdotal information, I'd try contacting
your local college or university - Nearly all of them have zip drives in
most of their machines.  See how often they have to replace them (i.e.,
they replace 25 drives out of 500 computers every month means the MTBF
would be about 20 months of light to medium use.)

-Adam

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2001\01\25@114747 by Bob Blick

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Hi Peter,

Search for "Trouble in Paradise" and "TIP". It's a "free" program that
will tell you the condition of your drive and also the disks themselves.

What I've learned is that you need to reformat(a very slow process!) any
disks that have been inserted in an off-aligned drive, and then throw them
away because there is no such thing as an off-aligned drive, just drives
with heads that scratch the disks, making them bad.

Cheers,

Bob

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2001\01\25@121503 by Mitchell D. Miller

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Seems like Steve Gibson had a write up about this problem ... check out
http://www.grc.com.

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2001\01\25@123613 by Harold M Hallikainen

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       I still like tape...  Though it's gotten a lot of bad press from Linux
users, I'm using a Sony Superstation (apparently made by Aiwa) on a
Windoze machine and it does what I want. It hold 5 gigs uncompressed and
gets close to 10 gigs compressed on one cartridge. I have it do a full
backup every Monday night and a differential backup the rest of the
nights. The full week fits on one cartridge. So, I have a little over a
month of backups.
       Though I haven't had a hard drive crash (you don't have car crashes when
you have insurance, just when you don't), it did prove handy when I moved
to a larger drive (I just restored everything to the new drive). I've
also it on occasion when I messed up an individual file and wanted to go
back to a previous version.
       Fry's Electronics in Palo Alto, CA has the Sony SuperStation for $50
(rebuilt).

Harold


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2001\01\25@132005 by Dwayne Reid

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At 04:40 PM 1/25/01 +0000, Bob Blick wrote:
>Hi Peter,
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>Search for "Trouble in Paradise" and "TIP". It's a "free" program that
>will tell you the condition of your drive and also the disks themselves.

Yep - you will find both of those at http://www.grc.com - Steve Gibson's web
site.  There you will also find out how to get Iomega to replace those
defective drives and media for free.

dwayne



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2001\01\25@145951 by Matthew Fries

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Gibson research has a free program to help you determine if you are about
to get the click of death! Go to http://grc.com/clickdeath.htm

GRC always has great stuff.



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2001\01\25@152848 by Thomas McGahee

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I have been using an ORB drive for the past year. It will store
2.2 GB on a disk about the size of a ZIP disk. It cost about
as much as the IOMEGA 250 ZIP. The cost of media is very decent.
$100 will get you three 2.2 GB disks. This is MUCH better than
the IOMEGA JAZZ drive and associated disks.

Comes in internal and external versions for parallel, IDE,
SCSI, and USB.  My USB version turned out to actually be
a SCSI version with a USB to SCSI cable. Since the drive
itself has TWO SCSI connectors on it, I also use the same
USB to SCSI converter cable to drive several other SCSI
devices. I am VERY pleased with my ORB drives. Speed
is a function of the interface used.

ORB drives by Castlewood.

Fr. Tom McGahee


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