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'[OT]: Win98 questions'
2002\05\24@112004 by Mike Mansheim

Just finished helping my dad with some stuff on his computer, and have a
couple of basic win98 questions:

- besides the startup folder and the load= and run= lines in win.ini,
 where do all the things that seem to be running after boot come from?
 (not on a network - modem access to aol only)
- the machine has become slow, with incessant hard drive activity.  Short
 of wiping the hard drive clean and re-installing, what can I do to fix
 this? (it has been recently defragged)

I used to know a little about dos and win3.1; unfortunately, I've fallen
way behind on operating systems - tend to just be a user as I concentrate
on pic development.
Here's what's been done so far:
- as already mentioned, hard drive defragged
- removed everything from startup folder (there were 5 items in there)
- checked win.ini - there was nothing on the load= and run= lines
- deleted a bunch of aol subdirectories (at least 10) that it annoyingly
 leaves behind when it upgrades.  Don't know why this would make  a
 difference - there was still 1.6G of 4G total hard drive space avail
 before this.
- checked the "performance" section of "system" in control panel.  It
 said the machine is set up for optimum performance.  This appears to
 deal only with virtual memory (swapfile in the old days) - it is
 configured to let windows handle it automatically.
- checked the bios settings to make sure the processor cache was still
 enabled - it was.  I saw this once long ago on a different machine -
 the cache had somehow  been disabled - made a huge difference in the
 performance of the machine.
So really, the only thing that has actually been DONE is to remove some
stuff from the startup folder and delete a bunch of garbage from the hard
drive.  This made a small difference, but it still isn't right.  Because
a bunch of stuff was deleted, I said he should defrag again - that hasn't
been done yet.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions - they would be greatly appreciated.

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2002\05\24@112417 by John Pfaff

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Things are also restarted from registry entries.  Look for keys named
Run and RunOnce.  There may be others.


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2002\05\24@113750 by Alan B. Pearce

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> - the machine has become slow, with incessant
>hard drive activity. Short of wiping the hard
>drive clean and re-installing, what can I do to
>fix this? (it has been recently defragged)

Terminate the "findfast" program. This will be started in one of the start
folders or registry entries mentioned by yourself and others.

Preferably remove it totally from any automatic start, it is a system hog if
ever there was.

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2002\05\24@114724 by Tal Bejerano - AMC

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and so on...

try use MSCONFIG look at "Advanced" & "Startup"

if u need any help feel free to email me


Tal Bejerano

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2002\05\24@115601 by Alan B. Pearce

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>look at

To go delving in here you might prefer to go to the microsoft web site and
get a copy of "tweakui" which I believe makes dealing with the registry a
lot easier.

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2002\05\24@120547 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:47 AM 5/24/02 -0500, you wrote:
>- the machine has become slow, with incessant hard drive activity.  Short
>   of wiping the hard drive clean and re-installing, what can I do to fix

I did this with a colleague's older computer recently.

-       they had three anti-virus programs running simultaneously
        ONE was too many for this older machine. I uninstalled all but the
        most basic, and got rid of some of the non-essential features such
        as Norton Cleansweep. If the computer is not used on the net,
        and a lot of outside risky files (such as .exe, .doc etc) don't
        get opened, consider going bareback, the AV programs are pretty
        resource-intensive, almost like viruses themselves.

-       they had 130 pieces of spyware and adware present, and a number of
        threads running in the background. I used adaware to kill most of
        these. Gator was one, but there were more. There were also several
        download managers. I uninstalled all of them.

-       there was a miserable program installed by a download manager
        program that I had to figure out how to kill myself- it ran a
        program every time explorer was started- it had modified the
        shell line in the win.ini file. It popped up ads once in a while
        and consumed resources continually.

-       cleaned out the registry

-       moved almost everything out of the startup directory

Norton system information will tell you what processes are running
and *how they were loaded* (registry, bat file, startup, ini file etc).
This is essential for getting rid of them.

Note that upgrading the hard drive can make a big difference if it is a
few years old, and that it may help to set a large fixed swap file size
or even devote a partition to the swap file. More RAM can help, programs
keep getting bigger and bigger, and more RAM generally means less
swapping to disk. 256M - 1G is not unreasonable, depending on what is
being done with the computer, though Win98 will actually run on a 16M
machine, provided you don't run much in the way of programs.

If the machine uses the old 72 pin SIMMs, you should probably toss it
rather than upgrade (it's probably worth less than US$100)

Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the reward"             Info for manufacturers:
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2002\05\24@121840 by M. Adam Davis

One of the first things I usually do is run MSINFO32.  Under the tools
menu is the system configuration utility, which has a tab "startup".
This list contains everything that is started automatically by windows
whether in the registry, ini files, startup folder, etc.

It's easy to remove the check next to many of the programs, and if you
need one to start itself again you can go back and re check it.

You may also want to run system file checker from the tools menu of
MSINFO32.  It'll check all of the windows system files to make sure they
aren't damaged, which has occasionaly caused slow machines for me in the

There are dozens of other things, but two of the biggest speed reducers
in a system are a full hard drive (make sure you have several hundred
megabytes free of HD space for the swap file) and not enough memory.


Mike Mansheim wrote:

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2002\05\24@223449 by Michael Johnston

When you took the norton clean up off it didnt corupt your windows os? I
stopped using anything envolved with norton. It seemed like every time i
took it off i had to reload mr gates closed source os. Did you all hear  Mr
Gates is trying to get DOD to drop open source yikes there we go angain.
Mike Johnston
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