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> I just found out that this is the case. I think that we had a serious > discussion here about it and the consensus was that the piclist messages > are NOT to appear on Google, or on any other newsgroup/discussion. Did I > misunderstand ? Actually I THINK the consensus was that it does happen, is not condoned, but cannot be stopped. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Herbert Graf wrote: *>> I just found out that this is the case. I think that we had a serious *>> discussion here about it and the consensus was that the piclist messages *>> are NOT to appear on Google, or on any other newsgroup/discussion. Did I *>> misunderstand ? *> *> Actually I THINK the consensus was that it does happen, is not condoned, *>but cannot be stopped. TTYL Anything you want badly enough can happen. Example: Why are Yahoo groups not mirrored on Google ? Answer: because there is a little statement in their bylaws that makes every message on the board a property of Yahoo, Inc. Hint, hint ? Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

> *> Actually I THINK the consensus was that it does happen, > is not condoned, > *>but cannot be stopped. TTYL > > Anything you want badly enough can happen. Example: Why are Yahoo groups > not mirrored on Google ? Answer: because there is a little statement in > their bylaws that makes every message on the board a property of Yahoo, > Inc. Hint, hint ? I personally don't see it as much of an issue. Ignoring that, even if we DID put some "clause" in it would be pointless, do you want to dedicate the money necessary to sue people who violate it? Yahoo is a big company with lots of lawyers, they can, we can't. But that's just my opinion. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to work out where the "leak" is.... On many e-mail lists I belong to, the news-server sends a password and settings reminder. Now this is normally from list-serv but if it was sent via the normal mail-server then that message would get mirrored also onto google..... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Benjamin Bromilow wrote: *>Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to work out where the "leak" is.... *>On many e-mail lists I belong to, the news-server sends a password and *>settings reminder. Now this is normally from list-serv but if it was sent *>via the normal mail-server then that message would get mirrored also onto *>google..... It is not so easy. The reinjection process sanitizes the headers automatically. There are ways to do it but they cannot be done without some help from the people who run the listserver. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

I find the policy a little harsh. I found the group via a newsgroup and I have since been dabbling with PIC's. I have bought products and books from guys on the list. I have misbehaved occasionally, but I think I am some what typical of the retired hobbyist PICLIST member. I think wider availability is good rather than bad. I support whatever the host/administrator feels best. John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 Dixie Competition Products NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" {Original Message removed}

The basic concern is that if the messages aren't filtered correctly, all of our email addresses end up on the open internet, which can result in spam in your mailbox. Does this newsgroup censor the email addresses of the posters? Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams John Ferrell wrote: > > I find the policy a little harsh. > I found the group via a newsgroup and I have since been dabbling with PIC's. > I have bought products and books from guys on the list. > > I have misbehaved occasionally, but I think I am some what typical of the > retired hobbyist PICLIST member. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Josh Koffman wrote: *>The basic concern is that if the messages aren't filtered correctly, all *>of our email addresses end up on the open internet, which can result in *>spam in your mailbox. Does this newsgroup censor the email addresses of *>the posters? Yes, lamely. as in spam_OUTplpTakeThisOuTbogus.actcom.co.il I would take 10 minutes to devise a script that reaps addresses from this, and I am not an expert. Incidentally the amount of spam I see here has doubled or tripled in the last 2-3 months. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

FWIW, I (and I know many others on this list) have a seperate address that piclist (and microchip notifications and SDCC stuff) go to. I receive no spam on this account, except the stuff that comes directly through SDCC-DEVEL (which is little) or the piclist itself (which is very nearly nil, especially considering the list volume) I imagine that Google makes it very difficult to harvest email from their online groups (ie, cannot request more than one or two messages a second, ban known robots, examine and ban suspicious patterns of usage, etc). It's much easier to get a real news account and harvest from there. The Piclist is not mirrored to a regular newsgroup that has wide distribution, so this doesn't affect us (I believe a few people mirror it to their personal news servers, but they are not widely distributed) In the end, I don't believe any action is necessary unless it does become a problem later. Of course, once the piclist emails get added to one spammer's list, the cat is out of the bag so to speak, so prevention is worthwhile - but I'm not going to spend any time on it. I can change my address and re-subscribe :-) -Adam Peter L. Peres wrote: {Quote hidden}>On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Josh Koffman wrote: > >*>The basic concern is that if the messages aren't filtered correctly, all >*>of our email addresses end up on the open internet, which can result in >*>spam in your mailbox. Does this newsgroup censor the email addresses of >*>the posters? > >Yes, lamely. as in .....plpKILLspam@spam@bogus.actcom.co.il I would take 10 minutes to >devise a script that reaps addresses from this, and I am not an expert. >Incidentally the amount of spam I see here has doubled or tripled in the >last 2-3 months. > >Peter > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different >ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads