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2003\02\07@161831 by Peter L. Peres

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I just found out that this is the case. I think that we had a serious
discussion here about it and the consensus was that the piclist messages
are NOT to appear on Google, or on any other newsgroup/discussion. Did I
misunderstand ?

Peter

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2003\02\07@164740 by Herbert Graf

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> I just found out that this is the case. I think that we had a serious
> discussion here about it and the consensus was that the piclist messages
> are NOT to appear on Google, or on any other newsgroup/discussion. Did I
> misunderstand ?

       Actually I THINK the consensus was that it does happen, is not condoned,
but cannot be stopped. TTYL

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2003\02\07@172743 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Herbert Graf wrote:

*>> I just found out that this is the case. I think that we had a serious
*>> discussion here about it and the consensus was that the piclist messages
*>> are NOT to appear on Google, or on any other newsgroup/discussion. Did I
*>> misunderstand ?
*>
*>        Actually I THINK the consensus was that it does happen, is not condoned,
*>but cannot be stopped. TTYL

Anything you want badly enough can happen. Example: Why are Yahoo groups
not mirrored on Google ? Answer: because there is a little statement in
their bylaws that makes every message on the board a property of Yahoo,
Inc. Hint, hint ?

Peter

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2003\02\07@173356 by Herbert Graf

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> *>        Actually I THINK the consensus was that it does happen,
> is not condoned,
> *>but cannot be stopped. TTYL
>
> Anything you want badly enough can happen. Example: Why are Yahoo groups
> not mirrored on Google ? Answer: because there is a little statement in
> their bylaws that makes every message on the board a property of Yahoo,
> Inc. Hint, hint ?

       I personally don't see it as much of an issue. Ignoring that, even if we
DID put some "clause" in it would be pointless, do you want to dedicate the
money necessary to sue people who violate it? Yahoo is a big company with
lots of lawyers, they can, we can't. But that's just my opinion. TTYL

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2003\02\07@173611 by Benjamin Bromilow

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Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to work out where the "leak" is....
On many e-mail lists I belong to, the news-server sends a password and
settings reminder. Now this is normally from list-serv but if it was sent
via the normal mail-server then that message would get mirrored also onto
google.....

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2003\02\08@141859 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Benjamin Bromilow wrote:

*>Surely it wouldn't be that difficult to work out where the "leak" is....
*>On many e-mail lists I belong to, the news-server sends a password and
*>settings reminder. Now this is normally from list-serv but if it was sent
*>via the normal mail-server then that message would get mirrored also onto
*>google.....

It is not so easy. The reinjection process sanitizes the headers
automatically. There are ways to do it but they cannot be done without
some help from the people who run the listserver.

Peter

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2003\02\08@141916 by John Ferrell

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I find the policy a little harsh.
I found the group via a newsgroup and I have since been dabbling with PIC's.
I have bought products and books from guys on the list.

I have misbehaved occasionally, but I think I am some what typical of the
retired hobbyist PICLIST member.

I think wider availability is good rather than bad. I support whatever the
host/administrator feels best.

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2003\02\08@151940 by Josh Koffman

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The basic concern is that if the messages aren't filtered correctly, all
of our email addresses end up on the open internet, which can result in
spam in your mailbox. Does this newsgroup censor the email addresses of
the posters?

Josh
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John Ferrell wrote:
>
> I find the policy a little harsh.
> I found the group via a newsgroup and I have since been dabbling with PIC's.
> I have bought products and books from guys on the list.
>
> I have misbehaved occasionally, but I think I am some what typical of the
> retired hobbyist PICLIST member.

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2003\02\08@154106 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Josh Koffman wrote:

*>The basic concern is that if the messages aren't filtered correctly, all
*>of our email addresses end up on the open internet, which can result in
*>spam in your mailbox. Does this newsgroup censor the email addresses of
*>the posters?

Yes, lamely. as in spam_OUTplpTakeThisOuTspambogus.actcom.co.il I would take 10 minutes to
devise a script that reaps addresses from this, and I am not an expert.
Incidentally the amount of spam I see here has doubled or tripled in the
last 2-3 months.

Peter

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2003\02\11@095746 by M. Adam Davis

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FWIW, I (and I know many others on this list) have a seperate address
that piclist (and microchip notifications and SDCC stuff) go to.

I receive no spam on this account, except the stuff that comes directly
through SDCC-DEVEL (which is little) or the piclist itself (which is
very nearly nil, especially considering the list volume)

I imagine that Google makes it very difficult to harvest email from
their online groups (ie, cannot request more than one or two messages a
second, ban known robots, examine and ban suspicious patterns of usage,
etc).

It's much easier to get a real news account and harvest from there.  The
Piclist is not mirrored to a regular newsgroup that has wide
distribution, so this doesn't affect us (I believe a few people mirror
it to their personal news servers, but they are not widely distributed)

In the end, I don't believe any action is necessary unless it does
become a problem later.  Of course, once the piclist emails get added to
one spammer's list, the cat is out of the bag so to speak, so prevention
is worthwhile - but I'm not going to spend any time on it.  I can change
my address and re-subscribe  :-)

-Adam

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