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'[OT]: "Those arrogant colonists!"'
2002\11\11@111335 by Chris Loiacono

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In following Dale's lead in limiting and perpetuating the [OT] as well as
keeping tags and content aligned,
I changed the tag to something more apropos....and continued on...
The Freudian overtones are oozing out between all the jesting on this topic.
Aargh!
Interestingly, PIC Assembly language is universal, is it not? -
Nationaism is a nasty thing that fractures world society. Aluminium vs.
Aluminum is better perceived as a change in flavor rather than "which (or
who)is better?", a.k.a. the nationalistic view. Let's all say aluminium and
we'll all be closer to becoming automatons.
Quite honestly, I appreciate the different flavors of language &
personality, etc....the variety makes life interesting.
Besides, knowing when to use "shambles" or "meat market" helps to exercise
the gray matter...(or is it grey???)

ps: as a Noo-Yawka in Flahrda I found the paperback: "How to Speak Southern"
most enlightening. Does anyone feel up to writing "How to speak PIC"?

c


> But that's not an entire nation mis-spelling
> the name of an element in the periodic table
> when the rest of the world can get it right!

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2002\11\11@112828 by Alan B. Pearce

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>ps: as a Noo-Yawka in Flahrda I found the paperback:
>"How to Speak Southern" most enlightening.

Well back in the 1960's somewhere, some enterprising individual came up with
a "How to speak Strine" dictionary for those who did not understand
Australians, and within a year as I recall, followed it with "How to speak
New Zild" for those not familiar with New Zealanders.

>Does anyone feel up to writing "How to speak PIC"?

Hmm, isn't it "Lord of the Rings" has Pictish .... ?? :))))

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2002\11\11@112835 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> Well at least they changed the spelling to match the pronunciation.
>>
>> Not like saying "sodder" for "solder"
>>
>> and how about my favourite, Arkansas, and Kansas.
>
>Or Gloucestershire, or Worcester, or...
>
>8-)

Yes as I pointed out in the following quote from an earlier mail

>>It's always intrigued me why the language had to be "simplified" :-)

>Ahh someone who has not lived in England.

>How would you expect to pronounce Towcester. ????

>It is pronounced as "Toaster" - no wonder the Americans gave English
>an overhaul, but then see my previous message on this :))

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2002\11\11@114454 by Roman Black

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Chris Loiacono wrote:
>
> I changed the tag to something more apropos....and continued on...
> The Freudian overtones are oozing out between all the jesting on this topic.


I didn't see anyone mention their mother?? ;o)

There was a nice documentary on Freud on the
history channel recently, seems although credited
as "the father of modern psychotherapy" it was
actually his partner's original work and years
of research that Freud later joined and co-authored.

What Freud DID do right was become very famous by
promoting very controversial sexual theories in a
most conservative period. I put him in the same
category as Madonna; a little talent and a LOT
of clever sexual marketing. Undoubtably ahead of
his time.
-Roman

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2002\11\11@190022 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 03:19 Australia/Sydney, Chris Loiacono
wrote:

> In following Dale's lead in limiting and perpetuating the [OT] as well
> as
> keeping tags and content aligned,
> I changed the tag to something more apropos....and continued on...

I am curious as to which colonists you are referring to as arrogant?

> Quite honestly, I appreciate the different flavors of language &
> personality, etc....the variety makes life interesting.

Absolutely! I learnt my Chinese in Taiwan, and it's amazing how many
subtle differences have appeared on the mainland in just 50 years - oh,
wait - they had a revolution too, as I recall! :-)

> Besides, knowing when to use "shambles" or "meat market" helps to
> exercise
> the gray matter...(or is it grey???)

Yes. You are correct. It's grey. And flavor is actually flavour. :-)

I am sorry, but you can only appreciate the "arrogance" of such
attitudes when you have been forced for many years to use a spell
checker that was not designed for the country in which you purchased
your Word Processor. Granted that Microsoft were fairly responsive (in
hindsight) and have remained committed to UK and Australian
dictionaries for their products, but there were quite a few years that
we simply had to go without. We still paid for the privilege of a Spell
Checker of course.

Add to that, the bitching US companies used to do over pirated software
in Asia - when the only copies of Operating Systems and Word Processors
they sold were American English! It was amazing to watch how many
genuine copies they sold when they actually produced software in the
language for the market they were trying to crack? Why on earth would
anybody pay $500 for a Word Processor that was not in their own
language? Oh wait, - we Aussies were stupid enough to! :-)

Right now, I type this on what is simply the world's most advanced
Operating System - Mac OS X - but it seems that unless you are prepared
to spell the way they do in Capurtino, California, you don't get a
Spell Checker. To add insult to injury, the Mail app in v10.0 displayed
my dates correctly. Now, with v10.2 (Jaguar), I am forced to endure
American date formats when searching for my mails. That's my definition
of arrogance.

Sean

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2002\11\11@202331 by Jonathan Johnson

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When it comes to date formats...what does logic say to you smallest division
to highest? in that case dd/mm/yyyy ....unless of course your from the only
country in the world that believes days are longer than months.....damn they
must work hard over there.......the 'colonists' that were referred to aren't
arrogant....they just like to spell correctly :-)

I agree...it's the diff 'flavours' of humanity that make the world
interesting...but.....if you wish to say you speak english at least have a
go at getting it right.....otherwise say u speak american

P.S Chris....do you really believe going to the effort to write whole words
makes you arrogant?
if so....y do you live in Sydney?

P.P.S English WAS my worst subject at school funnily enough

Jonathan

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2002\11\11@205308 by Jim

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 "unless of course your from the only country in the world ..."

What?

Do you perhaps mean:

 "unless of course YOU ARE from the only country in the world ..."

RF Jim

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2002\11\11@205516 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote:

> Right now, I type this on what is simply the world's most advanced
> Operating System - Mac OS X - but it seems that unless you are prepared
> to spell the way they do in Capurtino, California, you don't get a
> Spell Checker. To add insult to injury, the Mail app in v10.0 displayed
> my dates correctly. Now, with v10.2 (Jaguar), I am forced to endure
> American date formats when searching for my mails. That's my definition
> of arrogance.

Well, quit complaining and just switch to that other major OS that was
developed on Australia.

Dale

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2002\11\11@210121 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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Jonathan,

Well put.

> When it comes to date formats...what does logic say to you smallest
> division
> to highest? in that case dd/mm/yyyy ....unless of course your from the
> only
> country in the world that believes days are longer than
> months.....damn they
> must work hard over there

There is also an international date format that takes this into
consideration, although it goes from highest from smallest, I think -
yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss or something like that. I had a link, but I've lost
it.

> .......the 'colonists' that were referred to aren't
> arrogant....they just like to spell correctly :-)

Absolutely! In fact, I do not use an "Australian" dictionary. I prefer
to use an original British dictionary. There is nothing wrong with the
original language, and I'll use it - warts and all! :-)

> I agree...it's the diff 'flavours' of humanity that make the world
> interesting...but.....if you wish to say you speak english at least
> have a
> go at getting it right.....otherwise say u speak american

Agree.

> P.S Chris....do you really believe going to the effort to write whole
> words
> makes you arrogant?
> if so....y do you live in Sydney?

He doesn't does he? I though he said he was a New Yorker - living in
Florida?

> P.P.S English WAS my worst subject at school funnily enough

Me too! :-) Then I had an excellent (Swedish) teacher in Year 10 - set
me straight!

Regards,

Sean

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2002\11\11@210637 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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> Well, quit complaining and just switch to that other major OS that was
> developed on Australia.

I'm sure that's the attitude that drives America's (present) dominance
in that market. Sort of like Detroit in the 60s :-)

Sean

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2002\11\11@211303 by Andy Kunz

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>There is also an international date format that takes this into
>consideration, although it goes from highest from smallest, I think -
>yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss or something like that. I had a link, but I've lost
>it.

Yes, it's called asctime() and every C library includes it.

Andy

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2002\11\11@211720 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote:

> > Well, quit complaining and just switch to that other major OS that was
> > developed on Australia.
>
> I'm sure that's the attitude that drives America's (present) dominance
> in that market. Sort of like Detroit in the 60s :-)

Well, seriously though -- there ARE alternatives.  If you're not happy
with the "world's most advanced OS", don't flippin' use it.  Or better yet
do something about it...  I'm told it's pretty much BSD, I can't believe
there's no way to change the flippin' date format if that's the case.

Or are you just bitching because most mass-market consumer products to
roll out of California don't make non-US markets a high priority?  That
really should not surprise anyone.  Hell, they don't even make the
thinking US population a priority.  Welcome to the club.

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2002\11\11@212545 by Jonathan Johnson

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LOL... I DID say english was my worst subject at school

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2002\11\11@213419 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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Dale,

> Well, seriously though -- there ARE alternatives.  If you're not happy
> with the "world's most advanced OS", don't flippin' use it.

If I wasn't happy with it, I would not put up with those two serious
flaws.

> Or better yet
> do something about it...  I'm told it's pretty much BSD, I can't
> believe
> there's no way to change the flippin' date format if that's the case.

Oh, I'm sure there is a way to hack it. A major bitch with the last
version (10.0 through to 10.1.5) was that you could not change the long
date format that was displayed when you clicked on the clock - that
never bothered me, but I believe that there was a hack for those that
it annoyed.

> Or are you just bitching because most mass-market consumer products to
> roll out of California don't make non-US markets a high priority?

Who said just California? :-) Well, I am afraid that there is a
perception that if you do not reside in the land of the free, home of
the brave, then you do get second rate (or worse) treatment.

>   That
> really should not surprise anyone.  Hell, they don't even make the
> thinking US population a priority.  Welcome to the club.

OK, thanks! I should feel honoured! Sounds like a pub I visited in the
US last trip. Forget the name - but you get your food thrown in front
of you and a whole heap of abuse as part of their theme of the
restaurants . I guess you guys know who I mean and the novelty has
probably all worn off, but it was quite a fun night! :-)

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\11\11@214907 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote:

> > Or better yet
> > do something about it...  I'm told it's pretty much BSD, I can't
> > believe
> > there's no way to change the flippin' date format if that's the case.
>
> Oh, I'm sure there is a way to hack it. A major bitch with the last
> version (10.0 through to 10.1.5) was that you could not change the long
> date format that was displayed when you clicked on the clock - that
> never bothered me, but I believe that there was a hack for those that
> it annoyed.

Ohferheavenssake.  Even Winblows lets you do THAT.

> > Or are you just bitching because most mass-market consumer products to
> > roll out of California don't make non-US markets a high priority?
>
> Who said just California? :-) Well, I am afraid that there is a
> perception that if you do not reside in the land of the free, home of
> the brave, then you do get second rate (or worse) treatment.

This would possibly be because the products are first and foremost
developed for the US market.  Offshore sales are rarely a primary source
of income, with a few exceptions.  I'm sure most Australian brands gon't
give a rat's ass whether I find them convenient to use, either (and
rightly so).

> OK, thanks! I should feel honoured! Sounds like a pub I visited in the
> US last trip. Forget the name - but you get your food thrown in front
> of you and a whole heap of abuse as part of their theme of the
> restaurants . I guess you guys know who I mean and the novelty has
> probably all worn off, but it was quite a fun night! :-)

You ate at my in-laws?????

Dale

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2002\11\11@214914 by cdb

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:44 +1100, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote:
OK, thanks! I should feel honoured! Sounds like a pub I visited in
the
US last trip. Forget the name - but you get your food thrown in front
of you and a whole heap of abuse as part of their theme of the
restaurants . I guess you guys know who I mean and the novelty has
probably all worn off, but it was quite a fun night! :-)

Ah that reminds me of a Monty Python sketch - Is this abuse? No this
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2002\11\11@214915 by Jonathan Johnson

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Sean,

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I've seen that format too and it sure as hell makes a lot more sense than
the "other" one :-)


> > .......the 'colonists' that were referred to aren't
> > arrogant....they just like to spell correctly :-)
>
> Absolutely! In fact, I do not use an "Australian" dictionary. I prefer
> to use an original British dictionary. There is nothing wrong with the
> original language, and I'll use it - warts and all! :-)
>


Yes, me too, but I use the oxford dictionary....one of my forefathers edited
a chunk of it....James Murray
Although I do often succumb to a bit of good ol' aussie slang...but only to
those who understand it to get a point across quickly

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My mistake, I misread the note on your reply....well that may well explain
alot then <g>

> > P.P.S English WAS my worst subject at school funnily enough
>
> Me too! :-) Then I had an excellent (Swedish) teacher in Year 10 - set
> me straight!
>

I had crappy english teachers for most of high school except yr 9 and
10....although a bit....ummm...shall we say rough round the edges..( I
remember her telling a mate of mine quote" DON'T F%#KING SWEAR IN MY
CLASS!" )yr11 & 12 english teacher was ummm...politely 'horrid' <shudder)

Best teachers I ever had were my physics and engineering science
teachers...followed closely by Business studies

> Regards,
>
> Sean
>


The Scots and Irish can really make a mess of english but the scots make
good fighters n engineers...n the Irish well....I used to drink with a lot
of irishmen(and ladies)..two things really stand out.....they can drink like
no other race on earth and MAD AS F#%K! LOL but great people and s#@tloads
of fun.


Jonathan


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2002\11\11@221007 by Jinx

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> > OK, thanks! I should feel honoured! Sounds like a pub I visited in the
> > US last trip. Forget the name - but you get your food thrown in front
> > of you and a whole heap of abuse as part of their theme of the
> > restaurants . I guess you guys know who I mean and the novelty has
> > probably all worn off, but it was quite a fun night! :-)
>
> You ate at my in-laws?????
>
> Dale

Haha - are these the in-laws that think "Pi are squared ? Pie are round"

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2002\11\11@221016 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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Dale,

> Ohferheavenssake.  Even Winblows lets you do THAT.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Mac OS X has a "System Preferences" - which is
similar to Window's Control Panel and in there an "International Pane"
- again similar to Windows. In there, my settings are correct. It's
just that Apples own app - "Mail" chooses to ignore these settings. I
am sure they will get around to fixing it one day.

> This would possibly be because the products are first and foremost
> developed for the US market.  Offshore sales are rarely a primary
> source
> of income, with a few exceptions.

Yes, but I would think some income. If they don't want the sale, then
don't sell it to us in the first place. Then we WOULD develop our own
own OS - something like "VegeOS" or "XXXXOS" which would give errors
like;

"Crikey! It appears that you have received an email without the .au
extension! VegeOS would like to remind you that emails received from
lands other than God's own earth may contain viruses or even worse -
incorrectly spelt words that do not comply to that beaut shiela the
Queen's own English!" Are you sure you want to open this email?" Click
"Beaut" to continue.

> I'm sure most Australian brands gon't
> give a rat's ass whether I find them convenient to use, either (and
> rightly so).

You bought our beloved Vegemite from us, but you don't eat the stuff!
:-)

> You ate at my in-laws?????

LOL! What's your wife's email address? :-)

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\11\11@221606 by Herbert Graf

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> When it comes to date formats...what does logic say to you
> smallest division
> to highest? in that case dd/mm/yyyy ....unless of course your
> from the only
> country in the world that believes days are longer than
> months.....damn they
> must work hard over there.......the 'colonists' that were

       Yes, that has always irked me, especially here in Canada since half the
dates are the british way (dd/mm/yy) while the other half are the american
way (mm/dd/yy). Really confusing when you get something like: 02/07/02, what
is that? November 2nd, or February 7th? Sometimes context gives it away (say
a jug of milk), but sometimes you just can't know. TTYL

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2002\11\11@222438 by cdb

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Don't you also have the French way as well?

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2002\11\11@223935 by Bill & Pookie

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My fellow colonists, only the oceans and languages
separate us.

Bill

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> Jonathan,
>
> Well put.
>
> > When it comes to date formats...what does
logic say to you smallest
> > division
> > to highest? in that case dd/mm/yyyy ....unless
of course your from the
> > only
> > country in the world that believes days are
longer than
> > months.....damn they
> > must work hard over there
>
> There is also an international date format that
takes this into
> consideration, although it goes from highest
from smallest, I think -
> yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss or something like that. I
had a link, but I've lost
> it.
>
> > .......the 'colonists' that were referred to
aren't
> > arrogant....they just like to spell correctly
:-)
>
> Absolutely! In fact, I do not use an
"Australian" dictionary. I prefer
> to use an original British dictionary. There is
nothing wrong with the
> original language, and I'll use it - warts and
all! :-)
>
> > I agree...it's the diff 'flavours' of humanity
that make the world
> > interesting...but.....if you wish to say you
speak english at least
> > have a
> > go at getting it right.....otherwise say u
speak american
>
> Agree.
>
> > P.S Chris....do you really believe going to
the effort to write whole
> > words
> > makes you arrogant?
> > if so....y do you live in Sydney?
>
> He doesn't does he? I though he said he was a
New Yorker - living in
> Florida?
>
> > P.P.S English WAS my worst subject at school
funnily enough
>
> Me too! :-) Then I had an excellent (Swedish)
teacher in Year 10 - set
> me straight!
>
> Regards,
>
> Sean
>
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2002\11\11@224140 by David Harris

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cdb wrote:

> Ah that reminds me of a Monty Python sketch - Is this abuse? No this
> is the department for arguments.

No its not -- its just automatic gainsaying of everything I type!

8-)

David

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2002\11\11@224344 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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> Really confusing when you get something like: 02/07/02, what
> is that? November 2nd, or February 7th? Sometimes context gives it
> away (say
> a jug of milk), but sometimes you just can't know. TTYL

Well, if I shared an apartment, I still wouldn't trust a jug of milk!
:-)

But I thought Canada's biggest beef would be miles and kilometres -
especially if you live on the boarder!

Sean

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2002\11\11@225629 by Bill & Pookie

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Had my pay check thrown in front of me at work
once, after a week of abuse, that did it.  But Sam
Woos in San Francisco is also such a place.

And I have trouble referring to myself as an
American, as it refers to two continents.

Bill

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2002\11\12@002242 by Nate Duehr

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On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 09:38, Roman Black wrote:

> What Freud DID do right was become very famous by
> promoting very controversial sexual theories in a
> most conservative period. I put him in the same
> category as Madonna; a little talent and a LOT
> of clever sexual marketing. Undoubtably ahead of
> his time.

Hey... Bill Gates!  Well not that ahead of his time part... and take the
word sexual out... just marketing.

Nate, spamBeGonenateEraseMEspamnatetech.com

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2002\11\12@002515 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote:

> > This would possibly be because the products are first and foremost
> > developed for the US market.  Offshore sales are rarely a primary
> > source
> > of income, with a few exceptions.
>
> Yes, but I would think some income. If they don't want the sale, then
> don't sell it to us in the first place. Then we WOULD develop our own
> own OS - something like "VegeOS" or "XXXXOS" which would give errors
> like;

Oh sure.  I can picture this: Micro$loth (or whomever) announces they
won't bother selling to Oz or NZ or wherever...  imagine how THAT would go
over.  They'd be accused of trying to repress the Southern Hemisphere...
when it's really both they're trying to repress.  What a misunderstanding!
8-)

> You bought our beloved Vegemite from us, but you don't eat the stuff!
> :-)

I've been wondering since 1981...  just exactly WHAT THE HELL IS VEGEMITE?
Yeast extract?  Do you eat that stuff or make beer with it?

> > You ate at my in-laws?????
>
> LOL! What's your wife's email address? :-)

Actually I'm guessing it was Ed Debevic's in Chicago.  I've not been there
but my wife has, brought me a T-shirt in fact.

Dale

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2002\11\12@004244 by Nate Duehr

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On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 16:59, Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff wrote:

> Right now, I type this on what is simply the world's most advanced
> Operating System - Mac OS X - but it seems that unless you are prepared
> to spell the way they do in Capurtino, California, you don't get a
> Spell Checker. To add insult to injury, the Mail app in v10.0 displayed
> my dates correctly. Now, with v10.2 (Jaguar), I am forced to endure
> American date formats when searching for my mails. That's my definition
> of arrogance.

Two thoughts:
- Pretty cool what BSD UNIX can do with a pretty GUI, eh?
- You're free to write an OS that has your spelling style and sell it to
us.  Good luck.  (I didn't think creating an OS in your own language was
arrogant... just because the rest of the world wants to buy it...)

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2002\11\12@004857 by Herbert Graf

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> > Really confusing when you get something like: 02/07/02, what
> > is that? November 2nd, or February 7th? Sometimes context gives it
> > away (say
> > a jug of milk), but sometimes you just can't know. TTYL
>
> Well, if I shared an apartment, I still wouldn't trust a jug of milk!
> :-)
>
> But I thought Canada's biggest beef would be miles and kilometres -
> especially if you live on the boarder!

       Not really, we're all kilometers here, only "oldtimers" still talk miles.
:) (now I'm in trouble). This does sometimes confuse American visitors
driving on our highways though. For example, on the highways we have a sign
that says, say, 500m next exit. Some Americans read that as "500 miles",
instead of the "500 meters" it's supposed to mean. Honest mistake on their
part, I can understand how it's confusing. In fact a friend of mine drove
through Michigan recently and noticed something strange, in some areas the
road signs said something like "0.625 miles next exit", or some other
strange number. He put it all together when he converted to metric and
realized that that converted to 1km. Seems some areas of the states now plan
their road signs in metric and convert the results to imperial! :) I found
that funny. TTYL

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2002\11\12@014459 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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Dale,

> I've been wondering since 1981...  just exactly WHAT THE HELL IS
> VEGEMITE?
> Yeast extract?  Do you eat that stuff or make beer with it?

As I understand, originally, we made beer, and the "Yeast Extract" was
the crap left over. We could either a) feed it to the pigs or b) spread
it on our bread. I have always assumed that a) didn't work out. The
pigs turned their noses up at it and we went with plan b.

Although the Yanks did buy it off us. What's that line in Miss Saigon?
- "I can sell s**t to the Yanks and get thanks!"

> Actually I'm guessing it was Ed Debevic's in Chicago.  I've not been
> there
> but my wife has, brought me a T-shirt in fact.

No. I was in Atlanta, Georgia. Not *too* far from Downtown. I'll email
my host and find out.

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\11\12@045224 by Alan B. Pearce

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>just exactly WHAT THE HELL IS VEGEMITE?
>Yeast extract?  Do you eat that stuff or make beer with it?

The yeast extract is what is left over after the brewing is done apparently.
Sort of the scrapings from the bottom of the brew vat :)))

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2002\11\12@045230 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Yes, that has always irked me, especially here in Canada
>since half the dates are the british way (dd/mm/yy) while
>the other half are the american way (mm/dd/yy). Really
>confusing when you get something like: 02/07/02, what is
>that? November 2nd, or February 7th?

Because I have dealt with American businesses in the course of my employment
in companies that use the "British" date format, I have got into the habit
of using the word for the month, rather than writing an all numeric date,
unless it is on a form that requests it in numeric form, and is giving the
expected order of digits. Saves the potential angst of confusion :)

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2002\11\12@053209 by Russell McMahon

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> When it comes to date formats...what does logic say to you smallest
division
> to highest? in that case dd/mm/yyyy ....unless of course your from the
only


Most logical date format of all is yymmdd or yyyymmdd as it sorts proper
like.
At least one country uses this format. (Sweden?).
Windoze even offers it as a regional option.


       RM

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2002\11\12@054209 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Most logical date format of all is yymmdd or yyyymmdd
>as it sorts proper like.

>At least one country uses this format. (Sweden?).

I believe South Africa does. Don't know about Sweden.

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2002\11\12@054415 by Russell McMahon

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> especially if you live on the boarder!

Wouldn't he get annoyed?


       RM

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2002\11\12@054830 by Russell McMahon

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> Because I have dealt with American businesses in the course of my
employment
> in companies that use the "British" date format, I have got into the habit
> of using the word for the month, rather than writing an all numeric date,
> unless it is on a form that requests it in numeric form, and is giving the
> expected order of digits. Saves the potential angst of confusion :)

Yes!
I correspond with people in Taiwan.
I too now write eg 7 November 2002.
This allows me to use d m y order and still not confuse the recipients :-)

       RM

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2002\11\12@055243 by Jonathan Johnson

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Even largest to smallest still comes under a logical progression in my
book....quite unlike counting 2,1,3,5,4,6 etc....

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2002\11\12@055249 by Jonathan Johnson
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yes I was soooooooooooooo tempted to say something about
surfing....but.......:-))

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2002\11\12@055911 by Jonathan Johnson

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Yes, I've used this format with some correspondence with several pacific rim
countries (non-english speaking recipients) to make sure there is no
confusion with the screwed up american dates:-)
but I really don't see why one should need to with a self described english
speaking country

Cheers

Jonathan

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2002\11\12@060156 by Alan B. Pearce

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>yes I was soooooooooooooo tempted to say something about
>surfing....but.......:-))

>> especially if you live on the boarder!

Some wave at Niagara to go surfing on though ....  {8-))))

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2002\11\12@062305 by Jonathan Johnson

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If I wasn't averse to dying I would give Niagara a go on a jet ski....but
alas....:-/

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2002\11\12@093628 by Bob Ammerman

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> If I wasn't averse to dying I would give Niagara a go on a jet ski....but
> alas....:-/

This has been done, with the expected results.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systesms
(who lives about 20 minutes from the roaring falls)

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