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2007\11\01@195600 by Russell McMahon

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      http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_se/personal/pvm/HardyBWar/poems.html#toslainanchor

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The majority of war poems are anti-war or 'silent observer'
style. A few are different.

Modified from a list post elsewhere:

"Vitai Lampada"

       http://www.wargames.co.uk/Poems/lampada.htm

Both "In Flander's Field" and "Vitai Lampada" share the
image of the falling hero throwing the flaming torch
to those who follow.

FWIW - I recommend Vitai Lampada (written in 1890) to those
who haven't met it. It's one of my favourites. A rousing pro
war / empire / white man's burden poem (with the ethos of
'English Public School evening cricket under lights in the
quad'
teamsmanship as a metaphor for all these)
in an age where all such are highly unpopular.

I'm certainly not a pro war apologist but the jingoistic
enthusiasm that the poem radiates feels good.

___________

It is interesting that the foe who the falling torch
throwing hero in "In Flanders Field" is opposing is nowadays
one of the stauncher allies of those who then opposed them.
Maybe the whole process did do some good after all ? Maybe.



       Russell

2007\11\01@201710 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Russell McMahon wrote:

> I'm certainly not a pro war apologist but the jingoistic
> enthusiasm that the poem radiates feels good.

In general, that would THE PROBLEM with jingoistic enthusiasm
and nationalism/patriotism in general; they tend to "feel" a
lot better than their results usually justify.  (Hey, isn't
that the problem with Drugs, too?)

BillW

2007\11\03@143500 by Debbie

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--- "William \"Chops\" Westfield" <spam_OUTwestfwTakeThisOuTspammac.com> wrote:

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> On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> > I'm certainly not a pro war apologist but the jingoistic
> > enthusiasm that the poem radiates feels good.
>
> In general, that would THE PROBLEM with jingoistic enthusiasm
> and nationalism/patriotism in general; they tend to "feel" a
> lot better than their results usually justify.  (Hey, isn't
> that the problem with Drugs, too?)

I agree they do have a feel-good quality. Rudyard Kipling wrote great
jingoistic poetry - White man's burden, go out and teach the natives and all
that stuff. Danny Deever is one of my favs - well worth a read. But then he
lost his only son in WW1. That didn't feel so good.

Debbie



     
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