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2010\11\11@095103 by RussellMc

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What the US has to do to beat China at trade -

It's easy - compete with people who are willing to do business like this.

     http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/atw/atw1010/randommusings1010/


An awesome demonstration of dedication, acceptance of hardship and general
indomitability.


                    Russell



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2010\11\11@124048 by John Gardner

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My earliest memories, circa 1950, are toddling the block
(with my mother) to the docks in Gulfport, Mississippi, to
buy shrimp & crab caught that morning.

I'll give you the average displacement of the fleet was a bit
larger (but not much) and less ramshackle - But not all.

The decline of commercial fishing in the US has been largely
a political phenomena - Here in California it's a fait accompli -
The environmental enthusiasts are now working hard to eliminate
week-end anglers, while just outside littoral waters Asian factory
ships scour the ocean for remaining stocks.

Does'nt have much to do with the will of fisherman, if it ever did...

Some great photos, though :)

Jac

2010\11\11@130024 by RussellMc

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> On 12 November 2010 06:40, John Gardner <spam_OUTgoflo3TakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
>> My earliest memories, circa 1950, are toddling the block
>> (with my mother) to the docks in Gulfport, Mississippi, to
>> buy shrimp & crab caught that morning.

That was just a quick sample of the photos of the boats in that harbour.
At the inner end they were utterly derelict hulks.
At the outer end they were essentially derelict hulks.
I didn't see baling twine and duct tape, but that probably costs too
much. I don't think I have ever seen such a consistent collection of
utterly ramshackle totally past their sensible used by date working
'machines' that were obviously being used regularly to do hard and
dangerous work. A fisherman, smiliing for the camera, was working on
one which looked every bit as dilapidated as its counterparts. The
skill, bravery, willingness to work in utterly abysmal conditions and
sheer acceptance of one's lot that must go with such enterprises would
take some beating. Just about every storm would be a perfect astorm in
one of these. This is on the Chinese coast at Laoshan, slightly north
of Qingdao. No doubt repeated 100's if not 1000's of times up and down
the coast.

Up the valley there was a  50 - 70 foot height range dam used to hold
a reservoir. A small pipeline led along a track, probably to feed the
nearby settlement. The pipe had been lovingly lagged by hand using
scraps of cloth and clothing - presumably to assist with preventing
winter freezing.  Awesome.

2am. Trying to work out what to throw away to get bag weight down.
Fly to Shanghai 8:50am.
Leave Shanghai Pudong about 2pm.
Looking forward to2 to 3 days in bed, mainly asleep as my body
recovers to something like a normal state, hopefully. More pictures
etc anon.

Some interesting stories about the relatedness of typical smallish
Chinese enterprises, some of which  I may be able to share

       Russell
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2010\11\11@130734 by John Gardner

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American entrepreneurship not quite dead -

The latest Carnival Cruise disaster was towed into port this morning.
On hand to greet the revelers (who've been subsisting on crackers &
warm beer for 3 days - However much that appeals to denizens of
the Commonwealth, a hard sell here) are hawkers selling "I survived
Carnival Cruise 2010 T-shirts.

Going like hot cakes, according to the radio...

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/cruises/2010-11-11-1Acruise11_CV_N.ht

2010\11\11@171609 by Derward Myrick

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Jack:  Were you related to Brother Dave Gardner from that area?


Derward






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2010\11\11@175102 by John Gardner

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>  Were you related to Brother Dave Gardner from that area?

Not as far as I know, but I've a vast extended family - I do have
relatives in Tennessee, so it's possible, I guess...  :)

Been awhile since I've thought of him - Thanks.

Jac

2010\11\12@162602 by Vitaliy

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RussellMc wrote:
> What the US has to do to beat China at trade -
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> It's easy - compete with people who are willing to do business like this.
>
>      http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/atw/atw1010/randommusings1010/
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> An awesome demonstration of dedication, acceptance of hardship and general
> indomitability.

Great photos.

It is mind boggling that Communist China has a more business-friendly climate, than (supposedly) capitalist America. The reason US lost its manufacturing base, is not because of the cheap labor, it's mostly due to over-taxation and excessive regulation.

Our only hope is that after the total collapse of the dollar, people will come to their senses, and realize that in order to be prosperous, we need *less* government and *more* freedom.

Vitaliy

2010\11\14@163913 by ivp

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> Our only hope is that after the total collapse of the dollar, people
> will come to their senses, and realize that in order to be prosperous,
> we need *less* government and *more* freedom

One major, but potential, spanner-in-the-works is the state of
the US infrastructure

China is modernising. They are building now, with modern
methods and technology. American infrastructure built in the 1970s
or before is decaying. The estimate is at least 2.2 trillion dollars
to get dams, roads, bridges, power grids, levees and water systems
to even an acceptable standard. As the 'bricks and mortar'
approaches its design lifetime, the opinion of some is that in the
next 5-10 years there will be a tipping point, when those huge
amounts of money, from businesses, ratepayers and taxpayers,
will be really necessary

The film "The Crumbling Of America" is well worth a look, as
is the book Edge Of Disaster (Stephen E Flynn)

Joe

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2010\11\16@024707 by Also-Antal Csaba

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2010.11.11. 15:50 keltezéssel, RussellMc írta:
> What the US has to do to beat China at trade -

the us cant do anything, china buys it than a kilo of grape...

udv
Csab

2010\11\16@094854 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:50 AM 11/11/2010, you wrote:
>What the US has to do to beat China at trade -
>
>It's easy - compete with people who are willing to do business like this.
>
>       http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/atw/atw1010/randommusings1010/
>
>
>An awesome demonstration of dedication, acceptance of hardship and general
>indomitability.
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>                      Russell

How about being able to do something like this?

http://gizmodo.com/5687521/chinese-build-15+story-hotel-in-just-six-days-rest-on-seventh

Expanding the concept of inexpensive assembled-on-site prefabricated
modules to an entire building.

>Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the reward"
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2010\11\16@104547 by Picbits Sales

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And it appears they are just as quick to come down again :-(

http://www.itv.com/news/shanghai-skyscraper-fire87576/

Dom

----- Original Message ----- From: "Spehro Pefhany"
> How about being able to do something like this?
>
> http://gizmodo.com/5687521/chinese-build-15+story-hotel-in-just-six-days-rest-on-seventh
>
> Expanding the concept of inexpensive assembled-on-site prefabricated
> modules to an entire building.
>
>>Best regards,
>
> Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the
> reward"

2010\11\16@123519 by Gary Crowell

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> Our only hope is that after the total collapse of the dollar, people
> > will come to their senses, and realize that in order to be prosperous,
> > we need *less* government and *more* freedom
>

I'm only part was through it now, but I'm reading the book 'Aftershock', and
it's interesting that he says that in order to be prosperous, we need more
government spending and higher taxes.  His main argument seems to be how the
unbalanced concentration of wealth mirrors the situation in the 1920's.

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2010\11\26@132133 by Bob Blick

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:25:23 -0700, "Vitaliy" said:
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Gentlemen,

You've both given an excellent example why talk like this is not allowed
on the Piclist.

Now Russell, you are an admin so you can say anything you want. But
anyone that replies to an admin, either to carry the torch, challenge,
or diverge, had best exercise caution.

I will give an example of the type of talk that your posts can lead to.
Since I am also an admin I can post whatever I want, and generally I
exercise restraint. But for this little example I will use my powers to
demonstrate why everyone needs to exercise restraint. If you reply to
this post, be VERY CAREFUL, because the things I am posting are NOT
ALLOWED, and if you carry the torch, challenge, or diverge, you stand a
great chance, almost 100 percent, of coming under an admin punishment.

So it would be best to consider this an admin thread and if you are not
an admin, just don't reply. Seriously. I have the Piclist membership
control panel up in another window.

Here goes.

Nothing chaps my hide more than someone openly criticizing the United
States in a public forum. Except perhaps when it comes from
non-Americans.

How dare you suggest that Americans do not show dedication or can't
endure hardship. In every community in this country there are people
living with just a few hours of sleep every night trying to make a
living. People who never have any money left at the end of the week.
People who are forced to put their children in unsafe care situations
because they need to work that day or they will lose their job. People
working in the woods 10 hours a day through pain from an injury when an
unsafe work practice forced upon them proved to be literally dangerous.
I could go on and on. But people like you, who have never lived a day
like that in your lives, have no right to criticise real Americans.

The Libertarian ideal "less government, less regulation, lower taxes and
more freedom" requires a great force of will to sustain, because one
must ignore the details of those ideas and the horrors and inhumanity
they would wreak. I used to think Libertarians were simply stupid
children. But I have met smart Libertarians. So although there are
stupid Libertarians, the majority of them are functional adults. To put
forth such ideas, which are all lies, pretty much requires the
Libertarian to be an uncaring, selfish, greedy, evil person only
interested in himself and his immediate family. They lie about the
government and then engage in spluttering outrage about "lazy people"
and "waste and corruption" as justification for their own selfishness
and corruption.

In closing, I think everyone reading this would agree that the things I
said were over the top. That's why we have rules about political topics
on the Piclist. Because everything in this post, including Russell and
Vitaliy's words, are NOT ALLOWED because they will offend, incite, and
lead to an escalating amount of partisan comment on the Piclist that can
also lead to personal attacks.

Again, admins are allowed to reply to this, but anyone else had better
steer clear. Not even to say if you think Piclist policy is good or bad.
We've had that discussion already and decisions were made.

Best regards,

Bob


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2010\11\26@141205 by RussellMc

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As I am deemed by Bob to have special rights I will reply on behalf of
the downtrodden and deprived masses.

I don't think that admins have special rights to comment or immunity
or can or should be able to post with impunity. I'm not sure where
that concept came from (but it may be nicely hidden away in the rules
somewhere).

My initial post did not, of course, imply what Bob claims it to say -
but I was stupid to post it under the subject line that I used. A fact
that I have noted to both Bob and Vitaliy (and to all PICList admins)
all offlist. I should have titled it something like "What NZ has to do
to beat China at trade" :-). Maybe not.

Unlike Bob, I'm not sure what we have mutually agreed on as a a
community as being acceptable or unacceptable in the political arena -
but the rules do say "no politics", and it's clear that too much
politics does get talked at times. I'm personally happy with the
degree of discussion and most people do seem to manage to keep things
in control quite well most of the time. Alas, it's the exceptions to
most/quite well/most that cause problems.

I'd like to see a clearer understanding of what is and isn't
acceptable under "political  discussion". Bob seems to think that this
also includes "economic theory" (which is usually, after all, pure
religion [tm]) :-).

*** HOWEVER *** as Bob advises that he has a bead on the kneecaps of
any who have the temerity to post here on this subject, it would at
present  be a better idea for people to advise me offlist of what they
think about political and economic discussions, where the boundaries
are, what should be acceptable, how it should be policed etc. If I get
enough useful comment I may write it up for the admins BUT no
guarantees. Bob clearly thinks it's a done deal based on past history,
and he may be right.

If you do write to me offlist please advise whether you are happy to
have your comments associated with your name or if you wish to remain
anonymous. I personally don't have any great objection to  what anyone
thinks (even though they may clearly be wrong :-) ). and can assure
people that they can share as they wish to me and I won't turn them in
to the though police if they wish to remain anonymous.

regards

                 Russel

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