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'[OT]:: NZ's most trusted person'
2010\06\30@084255 by RussellMc

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2010\06\30@111745 by Sean Breheny
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I don't get it at all....

Who is John R? Who held a vote for most trusted person? I'm assuming
that the guy in this photo is an NZ soldier.

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:42 AM, RussellMc <spam_OUTapptechnzTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
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2010\06\30@114341 by Oli Glaser

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Subject: Re: [OT]:: NZ's most trusted person

> I don't get it at all....
>
> Who is John R? Who held a vote for most trusted person? I'm assuming
> that the guy in this photo is an NZ soldier.

Yes, I must admit it's all a bit beyond me too - more details needed
possibly.


2010\06\30@115809 by RussellMc

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> I don't get it at all....

> Who is John R?

John Rambo.

> ? Who held a vote for most trusted person?

I think it was a major newspaper - probably Herald.
Listed 100 people from most to least trusted.
Maybe they changed questions at middle - I only saw it in passing.
It's normal for people to do this occasionally. Results are both
predictable and surprising - often both at once.

Wikipedia  says that Willie (in the photos) has been the man of choice
since about 2008 but I think they are wrong as nobody knew about him
until July 2009 (see below). Prior candidate was a onetime beekeeper
who used to climb (very) tall mountains in his spare time and went on
to do quite a lot else. He died in January 2008 * and since then we
haven't had anyone we can trust completely, so a man with a very laid
back public persona, a proven ability to use a gun and to never let
his mates down, despite some very bad hair days, is a welcome relief.

Willie Apiata, the man in the photos, was awarded the Victoria Cross**
in July 2009, for actions in Afghanistan in 2004. He's a member of our
SAS and normally we don't usally get to hear where they go or what
they do in overly much detail.  (He rescued a wounded comrade in a
situation where everyone expected everyone to die but nobody that we
know did). He's since been seen popping out of a  building  in Kabuhl
(2nd photo)(lucky French photo journalist who recognised him)  when
nobody was meant to know he was there, and  people started shooting
the area up just after the 2nd photo was taken.)

Willie brushed up a bit, with his gong.

  http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/people/rodpng/willie-brushed-up-a.html



Russell



* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Edmund_Hillary

** Let's not quibble. Governments do silly things from time to time
and we've gone for a 2nd rate version for a while but we'll sort it
out again in a decade or two.

*** The Victoria Cross is awarded for ultra head banging bravery under
fire and can only be awarded to military personnel and to Malta. (It
looks like I may have to argue with Wikipedia re Malta :-) ).



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2010\06\30@115912 by Olin Lathrop

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Oli Glaser wrote:
>> I don't get it at all....
>>
>> Who is John R? Who held a vote for most trusted person? I'm assuming
>> that the guy in this photo is an NZ soldier.
>
> Yes, I must admit it's all a bit beyond me too - more details needed
> possibly.

Or not.  Does it really matter?  I was figuring this would go away on its
own if nobody said anything.


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2010\06\30@122224 by RussellMc

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> Or not.  Does it really matter?

No.

> I was figuring this would go away on its
> own if nobody said anything.

I think we seldom see utterances on list that are as profound as that one :-).
It probably rates right up there with "wherever you go, there you are".

However, your breakfast managed 31 posts, many of which dealt with
breakfasts as a direct consequence of your remark thereon (or comment
on lack of one), so you never know where such things may end up. Maybe
what troops have for breakfast in Afghanistan ?


R

2010\06\30@124710 by Alexandros Nipirakis

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> However, your breakfast managed 31 posts, many of which dealt with
> breakfasts as a direct consequence of your remark thereon (or comment
> on lack of one), so you never know where such things may end up. Maybe
> what troops have for breakfast in Afghanistan ?

Is that the new album by Supertramp (breakfast in Afghanistan)?  Sorry
-- couldn't resist.

Aleksei

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'[OT]:: NZ's most trusted person'
2010\07\10@204101 by Marechiare
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> This is a photo of NZ's most trusted person, by
> popular vote. Really! (Hope for me yet).
>
>     http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/people/rodpng/nzs-most-trusted.html
>
> He also sometimes looks a bit more like John R
> (Just as effective but much smarter, and talks less).
>
>      http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/people/rodpng/trust-me.html#media

Long hair proved to be impractical under the conditions. Every detail
does matter. And I am not sure it's okay to popularise SAS that way.
Something's wrong with the nation, I think.

Anti-te**or forces would be much better to choose the most trusted
person from, in my opinion. If "te**or" is taken in a wide meaning,
then choosing the right side of the road looks really like trying to
answer the old question "to be or not to be".

Well, guys, I see, this is too serious stuff for the week-end, let's
leave it for  Monday .

Thanks for the good post. I wish I'd reply it earlier.

2010\07\11@044157 by RussellMc

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>> This is a photo of NZ's most trusted person, by
>> popular vote. Really! (Hope for me yet).
>>
>>     public.fotki.com/RussellMc/people/rodpng/nzs-most-trusted.html
>>
>> He also sometimes looks a bit more like John R
>> (Just as effective but much smarter, and talks less).
>>
>>      http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/people/rodpng/trust-me.html#media
>
> Long hair proved to be impractical under the conditions. Every detail
> does matter. And I am not sure it's okay to popularise SAS that way.
> Something's wrong with the nation, I think.
>
> Anti-te**or forces would be much better to choose the most trusted
> person from, in my opinion. If "te**or" is taken in a wide meaning,
> then choosing the right side of the road looks really like trying to
> answer the old question "to be or not to be".

I'm afraid that I can't work out what you are trying to say - lost in
translation, alas. Really. I read several times what you wrote, and it
could mean a range of things - some almost the opposite to others,

So, to answer or address several points that may not or may have been
being made.

I'm unsure of what the long hair reference meant. Security forces are
usually meant to remain clean shaven BUT usually sport substantial
face hair to fit in with local standards.

> Anti-te**or forces would be much better to choose the most trusted
> person from, in my opinion.

He is a member of AT forces as that term is generally understood. The
photo was taken in Kabul in Afghanistan. I understand that within
minutes of the photo being taken a number of armed men who did not
usually live in the area started firing on civilians  and that there
was a 'shootout' between Willie and said non-locals, some people died
and Willie is still alive so ... . Having non-locals come and start
killing civilians by shooting them in order to make a political point
(all of which these people were  doing) falls comfortably withing the
present understanding of "organised terror" activities. Willie was
there expressly  to help stop people like that doing things like that,
at which he succeeded.

> If "te**or" is taken in a wide meaning,
> then choosing the right side of the road looks really like trying to
> answer the old question "to be or not to be".

My parser just produces white noise on that one, alas.
but eg Willie was standing by the right side of a road, or the left
when looking from the other direction. Some people who would not
normally to be there came and started killing the people who to be'd
there. Will got involved in stopping the killing (*by* the others
anyway). It seems like he was possibly on the correct side of the road
at the time.

The "most trusted"label was bestowed by "we the NZ people" (or they
the people as nobody asked me).




                 Russell

2010\07\11@112003 by Sean Breheny

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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:41 AM, RussellMc <EraseMEapptechnzspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
>> Long hair proved to be impractical under the conditions. Every detail
>> does matter. And I am not sure it's okay to popularise SAS that way.
>> Something's wrong with the nation, I think.
>>
>> Anti-te**or forces would be much better to choose the most trusted
>> person from, in my opinion. If "te**or" is taken in a wide meaning,
>> then choosing the right side of the road looks really like trying to
>> answer the old question "to be or not to be".
>
> I'm afraid that I can't work out what you are trying to say - lost in
> translation, alas. Really. I read several times what you wrote, and it
> could mean a range of things - some almost the opposite to others,
>

I think that one thing he may have been asking is "why do NZ's SAS
allow their photos to be taken?" Since they are a special forces
branch, it would seem detrimental to their mission to have the
identity and image of their members publicized. Even if this photo was
only published after he left the service, it was clearly taken while
he was still in and he wouldn't have control over how it was used in
the immediate.

Sean

2010\07\12@010147 by RussellMc

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> I think that one thing he may have been asking is "why do NZ's SAS
> allow their photos to be taken?" Since they are a special forces
> branch, it would seem detrimental to their mission to have the
> identity and image of their members publicized. Even if this photo was
> only published after he left the service, it was clearly taken while
> he was still in and he wouldn't have control over how it was used in
> the immediate.

To  each divisible part of the following add as required desired
"AFAIK" / I hear / It is reported / Newspapers say / The story goes
etc. as required/desired ie this is likely right but no guarantees.

Special case.
While it was known that NZ said it would 'support' activities in A'
there was no public notification that our troops were going there,
were there or had been there.
BUT then about 2 years after one time when they had been Willie was
awarded the VC.
He declined acceptance as this would involve being identified which
would endanger his compatriots but he was advised/ordered/requested to
do so and did so. VFC holders become public property and he ens up
doing PR controlled appearances, interviews, appears at selected
events etc - all controlled but his cover as a faceless SAS man is
blown.
Where he is etc is once more unknown and we the public probably assume
he's longing around NZ as one does.
Then, a French freelance photographer in a Kabul street spots a man
leaving a building (so the story went but it looks like just having
left a vehicle) AND recognises him AND takes his photo. Shortly
thereafter people start shooting and bombing - which is rarer within
Kabul proper than in many other places, and Willie and co are
involved. The picture is published and there is debate re ending his
tour prematurely etc, but apparently they didn't. In some versions of
the photo there is another similarly equipped man near Willie. In most
versions his face  is blurred out but in at least one its not. He is
helmeted (unlike Willie) and bearded and I would not recognise him in
a crowd, even if I had the photo. His friends would. Oh look, there's
quiet Joe from down the road, so that's what he does as a day job ....

Presumably Willie was told he wasn't allowed to shoot French photographers.
I've met a few people who were similarly restrained. eg  This young
policeman in Tian an men square was presumably restrained from acting
as he otherwise may have most other places in the city. A location
where they are presumably on their best behaviour, almost all the
time.  public.fotki.com/RussellMc/atw/china2010jan/atwc1001random/if-looks-could-kill.html
(January 2008 - not as per folder date).

            Russell




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