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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 02:14:53AM +1300, Apptech wrote: {Quote hidden}> > > ... in the Protell99SE ,It can't ... I didn't find this > > function. I'll down the ProtellDXP from the interent now. > > > :-) > :-( > > > > R Have you ever considered arts school? - -- http://petertodd.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVscq3bMhDbI9xWQRAo1aAJ9XzCWkOXlIIqGpm1I53hdli+KVcACgiWTg 0o4i4iNNCjazVMpU//a68eA= =buaa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

> > ... in the Protell99SE ,It can't ... I didn't find this > > function. I'll down the ProtellDXP from the interent now. > > > :-) > :-( > Altium (Protel) rep at a recent conference, referring to a land that starts with C and ryhmes with Shina, "we have quite a large user base there... but not many customers". -- Brent Brown, Electronic Design Solutions 16 English Street, St Andrews, Hamilton 3200, New Zealand Ph: +64 7 849 0069 Fax: +64 7 849 0071 Cell: +64 27 433 4069 eMail: spam_OUTbrent.brownTakeThisOuTclear.net.nz

On Dec 6, 2007 5:40 AM, Brent Brown <.....brent.brownKILLspam@spam@clear.net.nz> wrote: > > > ... in the Protell99SE ,It can't ... I didn't find this > > > function. I'll down the ProtellDXP from the interent now. > > Altium (Protel) rep at a recent conference, referring to a land that > starts with C and ryhmes with Shina, "we have quite a large user > base there... but not many customers". It takes time for IP protection in China which is a developing country. And this is actually to the benefit of Altium. They may be able to reap the benefits sooner or later. Microsoft has apparently reaped some benefits already. That being said, even in the rich western country, the software piracy rate is not low. And MP3/movie download is rampant even in western countries. Xiaofan

On Dec 6, 2007 7:56 AM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancKILLspamgmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 6, 2007 5:40 AM, Brent Brown <.....brent.brownKILLspam.....clear.net.nz> wrote: > That being said, even in the rich western country, the software piracy > rate is not low. And MP3/movie download is rampant even in western > countries. > The following data may or may not be that correct but let us just use it as a reference. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate So yes you can really be proud to be from NZ which has one of the lowest software piracy rate in the world, at 23%.

On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:04:12 Xiaofan Chen wrote: > The following data may or may not be that correct but let us > just use it as a reference. > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rat Hmm, the home of thepiratebay is #81!! Maybe they don't consider digital downloads as piracy, and merely focus on physical media.. d: Cheers. -- with metta, Shawn Tan Aeste Works (M) Sdn Bhd - Engineering Elegance http://www.aeste.net

> On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:04:12 Xiaofan Chen wrote: >> The following data may or may not be that correct but let >> us >> just use it as a reference. >> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rat United Nations sourced - so probably hopelessly wrong :-). BUT click on any country name and get states in major crime areas for that country. And can get occurrence ordered lists for the other headings. And a world overall crimes committed chart http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes The most crime occurring country in the world, by a factor of almost 4:1 over lawless Germany is, ... - look and see. Which goes to prove my comment above about, if not actual accuracy, meaningfulness. The place to be is, obviously, Montserrat. Ah! Bouncing via Montserrat I find this much more useful (if not actually meaningful) table. Total crimes per capita http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita Top is Dominica at 0.1138 pa Second worst at 0.105881 is ... Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!! Emigrate quickly !!!!!!!!!!! What a pack of Wallies. Russell

On 12/6/07, Apptech <EraseMEapptechspam_OUTTakeThisOuTparadise.net.nz> wrote: > BUT click on any country name and get states in major crime > areas for that country. > And can get occurrence ordered lists for the other headings. > And a world overall crimes committed chart > > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes > > The most crime occurring country in the world, by a factor > of almost 4:1 over lawless Germany is, ... - look and see. > Maybe this is actually not that wrong, at least from what I watched in various TV channels and newspapers during my short stay this year in Cleveland. On July 4th, there were 5 (or 4) people killed that single day in Cleveland. 3 of them killed by a firefighter with a gun simply because of they were blowing off fireworks and the Cleveland firefighter got mad and killed them. I was reading Plain Dealer on July 5th. And I was in a colleague's house on the evening of July 4th and the children was playing with fireworks. I would not want to go to any July 4th gatherings in Cleveland next time. www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/111078-violent-4th-july-cleveland.html blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2007/07/firefighter_shot_without_warni.html

On 12/6/07, Shawn Tan <shawn.tanspam_OUTaeste.net> wrote: > On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:04:12 Xiaofan Chen wrote: > > The following data may or may not be that correct but let us > > just use it as a reference. > > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rat > > Hmm, the home of thepiratebay is #81!! Maybe they don't consider digital > downloads as piracy, and merely focus on physical media.. d: > I think that is the case. If counting digital download as piracy, the piracy rate of western countries will go up by quite a lot. By the way, now that Chinese government agencies are using official (and cheaper) Windows/Office (and a bit of local Linux) and the fact Lenovo/HP/Dell/etc are pushing out XP/Vista based PCs and beaten those no-brand PCs vendors out of business, I believe the piracy rate in China is dropping by quite a bit. And with the popularity of broadband in China, I think the physical media based piracy rate will be even lower. ;-) Xiaofan

>> Hmm, the home of thepiratebay is #81!! Maybe they don't >> consider digital >> downloads as piracy, and merely focus on physical media.. >> d: > I think that is the case. If counting digital download as > piracy, > the piracy rate of western countries will go up by quite a > lot. I can't see how you would consider this not to be the case, even if they don't count it in this survey. Russell

Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site. -----Original Message----- From: @spam@piclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu [KILLspampiclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu] On Behalf Of Xiaofan Chen Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 21:54 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [OT]:: From another land On 12/6/07, Apptech <RemoveMEapptechTakeThisOuTparadise.net.nz> wrote: {Quote hidden}> BUT click on any country name and get states in major crime > areas for that country. > And can get occurrence ordered lists for the other headings. > And a world overall crimes committed chart > > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes > > The most crime occurring country in the world, by a factor > of almost 4:1 over lawless Germany is, ... - look and see. > Maybe this is actually not that wrong, at least from what I watched in various TV channels and newspapers during my short stay this year in Cleveland. On July 4th, there were 5 (or 4) people killed that single day in Cleveland. 3 of them killed by a firefighter with a gun simply because of they were blowing off fireworks and the Cleveland firefighter got mad and killed them. I was reading Plain Dealer on July 5th. And I was in a colleague's house on the evening of July 4th and the children was playing with fireworks. I would not want to go to any July 4th gatherings in Cleveland next time. www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/111078-violent-4th-july-cleveland.h tml blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2007/07/firefighter_shot_without_warni .html

Not only that - quoted from the bottom.... DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population. Also - What does each country report as a crime? One may be fine with smacking kids bums, another may not be. >>> spamBeGonejamesnewtonspamBeGonemassmind.org 06 Dec 07 12:53:34 >>> Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site. {Original Message removed}

On Dec 7, 2007 1:56 AM, James Newton <RemoveMEjamesnewtonTakeThisOuTmassmind.org> wrote: > On the other hand, I see no decrease in the rate of wiki spam, spam, port > scans and spamvertised hosting from China. As a result, all Chinese IP's are > pre-blocked from posting to piclist.com website and no-one can post .cn > URLs. Sad, but otherwise I would spend all my time tracking down wiki spam. > To be honest, that is partially because of China based spammers, but it is also partially because of the compromised unsecured Chinese websites acting as the spam host. And the Number 1 spam originating country is still US. http://www.ditii.com/2007/10/25/us-top-spam-originating-country/ That being said, I agree there are many problems with Chinese websites (especially malicious plugins, one of them from Yahoo China). Now I am using almost exclusively Linux at home it is less a problem. Xiaofan

Yeah, It's getting like you can't blow your nose here without permission & you're committing some sort of crime. But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm! RP On 07/12/2007, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancEraseME.....gmail.com> wrote: > > On Dec 7, 2007 1:53 AM, James Newton <EraseMEjamesnewtonmassmind.org> wrote: > > > > www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes > > Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site. > > > > I see. Now US is better at No 8. Interestingly New Zealand is now No 2. > > Xiaofan > -

On Dec 7, 2007 7:30 AM, Richard Prosser <RemoveMErhprosserEraseMEEraseMEgmail.com> wrote: > It's getting like you can't blow your nose here without permission & you're > committing some sort of crime. > > But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm! I see. Actually I know that we can only take the data with a grain of salt. What I want really say is that each country has its own problems. There may be many problems with China (which is a big and still poor developing country), there are many problems with USA (which is big but rather wealthy country) as well. And even for the perceived quiet and beautiful country like New Zealand, things are not always that rosy either. Xiaofan

James Newton wrote: > Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site. I did -- generally more useful anyway :) Strange is that e.g. Germany has an overall crime rate about the same as the USA, but only about 15% of the prisoners per capita <www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita>. There may be real money (for US tax payers) in figuring out what's the deal here. Or maybe figure out how India does it... it's at the far end of both, overall crime per capita and prison population per capita. (Do they have the death penalty? :) Gerhard

On 12/7/07, Funny NYPD <RemoveMEfunnynypdspam_OUTKILLspamyahoo.com> wrote: > Is it a Windows issue? Or it is just an IE issue? > With Firewall and router setup correctly, my windows seems working fine. > It is true, I have more linux machine running than windows. The one I mentioned (Yahoo Assistant ) is more an IE issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Assistant But there are other things which may affect Windows so that Firefox users may not be immune too. The problem is that some virus in China is a bit different so that even if you have patched your anti-virus (Norton or similar) you may still get infected. I am a careful user under Windows so that I myself have not encountered this problem yet. And actually I seldom boot into Windows at home since late last year. But I spent quite some time last time to solve the problem of Yahoo Assistant once for my wife. Now she is quite careful so my support job is not that difficult. She does not like Linux and Firefox. So her next notebook computer will be Vista based but I am still looking for a relative cheap one (I will pay for the upgrade to 3 year warranty since I have no confidence to any brand of notebook computers). The other computer (my bother-in-law's) was infected with a virus because my father-in-law used it. He has to reinstall Windows to fix the problem. My brother-in-law (a PhD -- permant head damaged) is stubborn enough and he does not want to install any anti-virus software (he has a relatively slow computer, a 3.5 years old Sempron 2400 computer, the old generation of Sempron which is based on Atholon XP) and he does not want to run Linux. He himself is very careful and seldom has problems and he educated my parents-in-law to be careful when they were here but the education failed... Both my parents and my parents-in-law like to use the Internet. My father plays on-line games which I do not do. He uses better cell-phones and better computers than I. Xiaofan

> It's getting like you can't blow your nose here without > permission & you're > committing some sort of crime. > But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm! I spent 2 days in Hong Kong. All privately owned guns banned I was told So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual show of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and with both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me and my camera. FWIW (little) http://others.servebeer.com/misc/hkg1.jpg http://others.servebeer.com/misc/hkg2.jpg Russell * may be a shotgun.

> > On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:45 PM, Apptech wrote: > >> It's getting like you can't blow your nose here without >> permission & you're >> committing some sort of crime. > >> But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm! > > I spent 2 days in Hong Kong. > All privately owned guns banned I was told > So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual show > of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and with > both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on > Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me > and my camera. > > > I see you photographed them from the rear ( very wise I think ) If guns are banned in Hong Kong, then why the heavy artillery for these guys * What kind of action do they encounter * Cedric

On 12/7/07, Apptech <RemoveMEapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote: > I spent 2 days in Hong Kong. > All privately owned guns banned I was told > So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual show > of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and with > both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on > Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me > and my camera. This is quite common here in Singapore (in the ariport, some shopping centers occassionally, and on the trains) . It is good to ban privately owned guns but give the law enforcement officers the guns as an effective deterrent. It is very strange for the US that guns are not banned yet. Another tragedy just happend. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/06/omaha.shooting/index.html This is much more strange than the fact that US has not yet signed the Kyoto Protocol but pressure on China and India to do more on carbon emission. Anyway, US is a large country with many things I (a Chinese) do not understand, just like the fact China is a large country with many things that many westerns do not understand. Xiaofan

On 12/7/07, Cedric Chang <EraseMEccspamspamBeGonenope9.com> wrote: > I see you photographed them from the rear ( very wise I think ) > If guns are banned in Hong Kong, then why the heavy artillery > for these guys * What kind of action do they encounter * > There are bad guys in Hong Kong. To ban something does not mean the bad guys will not have means to get it, but rather makes it dificult and bear serious consquences. Xiaofan

On 12/7/07, William Chops Westfield <RemoveMEwestfwKILLspammac.com> wrote: > >> The most crime occurring country in the world, > > Did they say anywhere what they considered to be "a crime" ? > After all, we have thousands of people incarcerated for things > that some other countries don't even consider crimes at all... > But one crime carrying up to death penalty in other countries is even considered legal in many part of US, for example: carrying guns... I am not saying US is really that bad. I considered this thread not so proper and should go for [WOT]. And it is rather difficult to be really impartial with this kind of topics. As I said, "US is a large country with many things I (a Chinese) do not understand, just like the fact China is a large country with many things that many westerns do not understand". I will stop here. Xiaofan

>> I spent 2 days in Hong Kong. >> All privately owned guns banned I was told >> So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual >> show >> of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and >> with >> both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on >> Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me >> and my camera. > I see you photographed them from the rear ( very wise I > think ) > If guns are banned in Hong Kong, then why the heavy > artillery > for these guys * What kind of action do they encounter * Viewpoint was happenstance. I saw them as they were moving away from me and took the shots as they disappeared into the crowd. But, I do try to be circumspect in my picture taking when it may matter. usually I get it right ;-). I was told that "the odd gun" does come across from China but that they are usually brought in for jewellery shops and that for individuals there is essentially no gun crime. An extremely safe place to live according to our (female) tour guide. She claims that a woman can wander through the streets somewhat tipsy at 2am without risk. Russell