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2007\12\05@094804 by Apptech

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> ... in the Protell99SE ,It can't   ... I didn't find this
> function. I'll down the ProtellDXP from the interent now.


   :-)
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2007\12\05@104500 by Peter Todd

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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 02:14:53AM +1300, Apptech wrote:
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Have you ever considered arts school?

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2007\12\05@164104 by Brent Brown

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> > ... in the Protell99SE ,It can't   ... I didn't find this
> > function. I'll down the ProtellDXP from the interent now.
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>     :-)
>     :-(
>

Altium (Protel) rep at a recent conference, referring to a land that starts with C and
ryhmes with Shina, "we have quite a large user base there... but not many
customers".

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2007\12\05@185627 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Dec 6, 2007 5:40 AM, Brent Brown <.....brent.brownKILLspamspam@spam@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > > ... in the Protell99SE ,It can't   ... I didn't find this
> > > function. I'll down the ProtellDXP from the interent now.
>
> Altium (Protel) rep at a recent conference, referring to a land that
> starts with C and ryhmes with Shina, "we have quite a large user
> base there... but not many customers".

It takes time for IP protection in China which is a developing country.
And this is actually to the benefit of Altium. They may be able to
reap the benefits sooner or later. Microsoft has apparently reaped
some benefits already.

That being said, even in the rich western country, the software piracy
rate is not low. And MP3/movie download is rampant even in western
countries.

Xiaofan

2007\12\05@190415 by Xiaofan Chen
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On Dec 6, 2007 7:56 AM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 2007 5:40 AM, Brent Brown <.....brent.brownKILLspamspam.....clear.net.nz> wrote:
> That being said, even in the rich western country, the software piracy
> rate is not low. And MP3/movie download is rampant even in western
> countries.
>

The following data may or may not be that correct but let us
just use it as a reference.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate

So yes you can really be proud to be from NZ which has
one of the lowest software piracy rate in the world, at 23%.

2007\12\05@191709 by Shawn Tan

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On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:04:12 Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> The following data may or may not be that correct but let us
> just use it as a reference.
> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rat

Hmm, the home of thepiratebay is #81!! Maybe they don't consider digital
downloads as piracy, and merely focus on physical media.. d:

Cheers.

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with metta,
Shawn Tan

Aeste Works (M) Sdn Bhd - Engineering Elegance
http://www.aeste.net

2007\12\05@210801 by Apptech

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> On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:04:12 Xiaofan Chen wrote:
>> The following data may or may not be that correct but let
>> us
>> just use it as a reference.
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rat


United Nations sourced - so probably hopelessly wrong :-).

BUT click on any country name and get states in major crime
areas for that country.
And can get occurrence ordered lists for the other headings.
And a world overall crimes committed chart

       http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

The most crime occurring country in the world, by a factor
of almost 4:1 over lawless Germany is, ... - look and see.

Which goes to prove my comment above about, if not actual
accuracy, meaningfulness.

The place to be is, obviously, Montserrat.

Ah!
Bouncing via Montserrat I find this much more useful (if not
actually meaningful) table.

Total crimes per capita

       http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita

Top is Dominica at 0.1138 pa

Second worst at 0.105881 is ... Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!
Emigrate quickly !!!!!!!!!!!

What a pack of Wallies.


       Russell






2007\12\06@005429 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/6/07, Apptech <EraseMEapptechspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> BUT click on any country name and get states in major crime
> areas for that country.
> And can get occurrence ordered lists for the other headings.
> And a world overall crimes committed chart
>
>        http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
>
> The most crime occurring country in the world, by a factor
> of almost 4:1 over lawless Germany is, ... - look and see.
>

Maybe this is actually not that wrong, at least from what I watched
in various TV channels and newspapers during my short stay this year
in Cleveland. On July 4th, there were 5 (or 4) people killed that single day
in Cleveland. 3 of them killed by a firefighter with a gun simply
because of they were blowing off fireworks and the Cleveland firefighter
got mad and killed them. I was reading Plain Dealer on July 5th.
And I was in a colleague's house on the evening of July 4th and
the children was playing with fireworks. I would not want to go
to any July 4th gatherings in Cleveland next time.

www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/111078-violent-4th-july-cleveland.html
blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2007/07/firefighter_shot_without_warni.html

2007\12\06@015328 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/6/07, Shawn Tan <shawn.tanspamspam_OUTaeste.net> wrote:
> On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:04:12 Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> > The following data may or may not be that correct but let us
> > just use it as a reference.
> > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rat
>
> Hmm, the home of thepiratebay is #81!! Maybe they don't consider digital
> downloads as piracy, and merely focus on physical media.. d:
>
I think that is the case. If counting digital download as piracy,
the piracy rate of western countries will go up by quite a lot.

By the way, now that Chinese government agencies are using
official (and cheaper) Windows/Office (and a bit of local
Linux) and the fact Lenovo/HP/Dell/etc are pushing out XP/Vista
based PCs and beaten those no-brand PCs vendors out of
business, I believe the piracy rate in China is dropping by
quite a bit. And with the popularity of broadband in China,
I think the physical media based piracy rate will be even lower. ;-)

Xiaofan

2007\12\06@042445 by Apptech

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>> Hmm, the home of thepiratebay is #81!! Maybe they don't
>> consider digital
>> downloads as piracy, and merely focus on physical media..
>> d:

> I think that is the case. If counting digital download as
> piracy,
> the piracy rate of western countries will go up by quite a
> lot.

I can't see how you would consider this not to be the case,
even if they don't count it in this survey.


       Russell

2007\12\06@133558 by James Newton

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Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site.

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On 12/6/07, Apptech <RemoveMEapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
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Maybe this is actually not that wrong, at least from what I watched
in various TV channels and newspapers during my short stay this year
in Cleveland. On July 4th, there were 5 (or 4) people killed that single day
in Cleveland. 3 of them killed by a firefighter with a gun simply
because of they were blowing off fireworks and the Cleveland firefighter
got mad and killed them. I was reading Plain Dealer on July 5th.
And I was in a colleague's house on the evening of July 4th and
the children was playing with fireworks. I would not want to go
to any July 4th gatherings in Cleveland next time.

www.city-data.com/forum/cleveland/111078-violent-4th-july-cleveland.h
tml
blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2007/07/firefighter_shot_without_warni
.html

2007\12\06@135949 by James Newton

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On the other hand, I see no decrease in the rate of wiki spam, spam, port
scans and spamvertised hosting from China. As a result, all Chinese IP's are
pre-blocked from posting to piclist.com website and no-one can post .cn
URLs. Sad, but otherwise I would spend all my time tracking down wiki spam.

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2007\12\06@174246 by Eoin Ross

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Not only that - quoted from the bottom....
DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population.

Also - What does each country report as a crime? One may be fine with smacking kids bums, another may not be.

>>> spamBeGonejamesnewtonspamBeGonespammassmind.org 06 Dec 07 12:53:34 >>>
Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site.

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2007\12\06@180906 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Dec 7, 2007 1:53 AM, James Newton <TakeThisOuTjamesnewtonEraseMEspamspam_OUTmassmind.org> wrote:
> >        www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
> Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site.
>

I see. Now US is better at No 8. Interestingly New Zealand is now No 2.

Xiaofan

2007\12\06@181616 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Dec 7, 2007 1:56 AM, James Newton <RemoveMEjamesnewtonspamTakeThisOuTmassmind.org> wrote:
> On the other hand, I see no decrease in the rate of wiki spam, spam, port
> scans and spamvertised hosting from China. As a result, all Chinese IP's are
> pre-blocked from posting to piclist.com website and no-one can post .cn
> URLs. Sad, but otherwise I would spend all my time tracking down wiki spam.
>

To be honest, that is partially because of China based spammers, but
it is also partially because of the compromised unsecured Chinese websites
acting as the spam host.

And the Number 1 spam originating country is still US.
http://www.ditii.com/2007/10/25/us-top-spam-originating-country/

That being said, I agree there are many problems with Chinese
websites (especially malicious plugins, one of them from Yahoo
China). Now I am using almost exclusively Linux at home it is less
a problem.

Xiaofan

2007\12\06@183011 by Richard Prosser

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Yeah,
It's getting  like you can't blow your nose here without permission & you're
committing some sort of crime.

But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm!

RP


On 07/12/2007, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancEraseMEspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Dec 7, 2007 1:53 AM, James Newton <EraseMEjamesnewtonspammassmind.org> wrote:
> > >
> www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
> > Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site.
> >
>
> I see. Now US is better at No 8. Interestingly New Zealand is now No 2.
>
> Xiaofan
> -

2007\12\06@185458 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Dec 7, 2007 7:30 AM, Richard Prosser <RemoveMErhprosserEraseMEspamEraseMEgmail.com> wrote:
> It's getting  like you can't blow your nose here without permission & you're
> committing some sort of crime.
>
> But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm!

I see. Actually I know that we can only take the data with a
grain of salt.

What I want really say is that each country has its own problems.
There may be many problems with China (which is a big and still
poor developing country), there are many problems with USA
(which is big but rather wealthy country) as well. And even for the
perceived quiet and beautiful country like New Zealand, things are
not always that rosy either.


Xiaofan

2007\12\06@190413 by Gerhard Fiedler

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James Newton wrote:

> Do please check the "per capita" listings on the nationmaster web site.

I did -- generally more useful anyway :)

Strange is that e.g. Germany has an overall crime rate about the same as
the USA, but only about 15% of the prisoners per capita
<www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita>.
There may be real money (for US tax payers) in figuring out what's the deal
here.

Or maybe figure out how India does it... it's at the far end of both,
overall crime per capita and prison population per capita. (Do they have
the death penalty? :)

Gerhard

2007\12\06@205936 by Funny NYPD

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Is it a Windows issue? Or it is just an IE issue?
With Firewall and router setup correctly, my windows seems working fine.
It is true, I have more linux machine running than windows.

Funny N.
New Bedford, MA
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2007\12\06@213037 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/7/07, Funny NYPD <RemoveMEfunnynypdspam_OUTspamKILLspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> Is it a Windows issue? Or it is just an IE issue?
> With Firewall and router setup correctly, my windows seems working fine.
> It is true, I have more linux machine running than windows.

The one I mentioned (Yahoo Assistant ) is more an IE issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Assistant

But there are other things which may affect Windows so that
Firefox users may not be immune too. The problem is that
some virus in China is a bit different so that even if you
have patched your anti-virus (Norton or similar) you may
still get infected. I am a careful user under Windows so
that I myself have not encountered this problem yet. And
actually I seldom boot into Windows at home since late
last year.

But I spent quite some time last time to solve the problem
of Yahoo Assistant once for my wife. Now she is
quite careful so my support job is not that difficult.
She does not like Linux and Firefox. So her next
notebook computer will be Vista based but I
am still looking for a relative cheap one (I will
pay for the upgrade to 3 year warranty since I have
no confidence to any brand of notebook computers).

The other computer (my bother-in-law's)
was infected with a virus because my father-in-law used
it. He has to reinstall Windows to fix the problem. My
brother-in-law (a PhD -- permant head damaged) is stubborn
enough and he does not want to install any anti-virus
software (he has a relatively slow computer, a 3.5 years
old Sempron 2400 computer, the old generation of
Sempron which is based on Atholon XP) and he does not
want to run Linux. He himself is very careful and seldom
has problems and he educated my parents-in-law to be
careful when they were here but the education failed...

Both my parents and my parents-in-law like to use
the Internet. My father plays on-line games which I do
not do. He uses better cell-phones and better computers
than I.

Xiaofan

2007\12\06@230829 by Apptech

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> It's getting  like you can't blow your nose here without
> permission & you're
> committing some sort of crime.

> But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm!

I spent 2 days in Hong Kong.
All privately owned guns banned I was told
So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual show
of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and with
both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on
Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me
and my camera.

FWIW (little)

   http://others.servebeer.com/misc/hkg1.jpg
   http://others.servebeer.com/misc/hkg2.jpg


       Russell

* may be a shotgun.

2007\12\06@233246 by Cedric Chang

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> On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:45 PM, Apptech wrote:
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>> It's getting  like you can't blow your nose here without
>> permission & you're
>> committing some sort of crime.
>
>> But we're at the bottom for murders by firearm!
>
> I spent 2 days in Hong Kong.
> All privately owned guns banned I was told
> So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual show
> of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and with
> both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on
> Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me
> and my camera.
>
>
>
I see you photographed them from the rear ( very wise I think )
If guns are banned in Hong Kong, then why the heavy artillery
for these guys *  What kind of action do they encounter *

Cedric

2007\12\06@233632 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/7/07, Apptech <RemoveMEapptechTakeThisOuTspamspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> I spent 2 days in Hong Kong.
> All privately owned guns banned I was told
> So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual show
> of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and with
> both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on
> Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me
> and my camera.

This is quite common here in Singapore (in the ariport, some
shopping centers occassionally, and  on the trains) . It is good to
ban privately owned guns but give the law enforcement officers
the guns as an effective deterrent.

It is very strange for the US that guns are not banned yet.
Another tragedy just happend.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/06/omaha.shooting/index.html

This is much more strange than the fact that US has not yet
signed the Kyoto Protocol but pressure on China and India
to do more on carbon emission.

Anyway, US is a large country with many things I (a Chinese)
do not understand, just like the fact China is a large country
with many things that many westerns do not understand.

Xiaofan

2007\12\06@234346 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/7/07, Cedric Chang <EraseMEccspamspamspamBeGonenope9.com> wrote:
> I see you photographed them from the rear ( very wise I think )
> If guns are banned in Hong Kong, then why the heavy artillery
> for these guys *  What kind of action do they encounter *
>

There are bad guys in Hong Kong.

To ban something does not mean the bad guys will not have
means to get it, but rather makes it dificult and bear serious
consquences.


Xiaofan

2007\12\07@000400 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:53 AM, James Newton wrote:

>> The most crime occurring country in the world,

Did they say anywhere what they considered to be "a crime" ?
After all, we have thousands of people incarcerated for things
that some other countries don't even consider crimes at all...

BillW

2007\12\07@002339 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/7/07, William Chops Westfield <RemoveMEwestfwKILLspamspammac.com> wrote:
> >> The most crime occurring country in the world,
>
> Did they say anywhere what they considered to be "a crime" ?
> After all, we have thousands of people incarcerated for things
> that some other countries don't even consider crimes at all...
>

But one crime carrying up to death penalty in other
countries is even considered legal in many part of US,
for example: carrying guns...

I am not saying US is really that bad. I considered this
thread not so proper and should go for [WOT]. And
it is rather difficult to be really impartial with this kind
of topics.

As I said, "US is a large country with many things I
(a Chinese) do not understand, just like the fact China
is a large country with many things that many westerns
do not understand".

I will stop here.


Xiaofan

2007\12\07@014313 by Apptech

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>> I spent 2 days in Hong Kong.
>> All privately owned guns banned I was told
>> So it was interesting to see an ostentatious and casual
>> show
>> of weaponry by 2 policemen, dressed in body armour and
>> with
>> both rifle* and pistols, wandering through pedestrians on
>> Hong Kong island. Nobody gave them a 2nd glance except me
>> and my camera.

> I see you photographed them from the rear ( very wise I
> think )
> If guns are banned in Hong Kong, then why the heavy
> artillery
> for these guys *  What kind of action do they encounter *

Viewpoint was happenstance. I saw them as they were moving
away from me and took the shots as they disappeared into the
crowd. But, I do try to be circumspect in my picture taking
when it may matter. usually I get it right ;-).

I was told that "the odd gun" does come across from China
but that they are usually brought in for jewellery shops and
that for individuals there is essentially no gun crime. An
extremely safe place to live according to our (female) tour
guide. She claims that a woman can wander through the
streets somewhat tipsy at 2am without risk.

       Russell

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