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2008\04\28@083111 by Apptech

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I usually can't speak too highly about DHL's excellence at
getting parcels from semi-random locations somewhere on
earth to my local airport. Or too lowly about their ability
to get parcels from the local airport to me.

But, on this occasion one of the Auckland local couriers
must have been sent to Shandong specially to handle my
parcel:

It only took them 3 minutes to get it from receipt to
dispatch at the Shandong depot. A miracle.
BUT then the Auckland man stepped in and ... 36 hours and 38
minutes later ...


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     Detailed Report


     Date   Time   Location Service Area   Checkpoint
Details

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     April 26, 2008   15:38   Shandong Province - China,
People's Republic   Shipment picked up


     April 27, 2008   01:43   Shandong Province - China,
People's Republic   Arrived at DHL facility in Shandong
Province - China, People's Republic


     April 27, 2008   01:46   Shandong Province - China,
People's Republic   Departed from DHL facility in Shandong
Province - China, People's Republic


     April 28, 2008   14:24   Shandong Province - China,
People's Republic   Departed from DHL facility in Shandong
Province - China, People's Republic



2008\04\28@085912 by Funny NYPD

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Unfortunately, if you are not living in the big cities, there is no easy access of DHL at USA.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com



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2008\04\28@102236 by Apptech

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> Unfortunately, if you are not living in the big cities,
> there is no easy access of DHL at USA.

This is China (Qingdao) to NZ.
BUT they do seem to be having trouble getting it out of
Shandong.
In this case a few days matters little
Usually every hour counts.


>      April 27, 2008   01:46   Shandong Province - China,
> People's Republic   Departed from DHL facility in Shandong

>      April 28, 2008   14:24   Shandong Province - China,
> People's Republic   Departed from DHL facility in Shandong

2008\04\28@120424 by Harold Hallikainen

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Several years ago, one of the magazines ran an April 1 article about DHL
being the new DSL since a truck load of DVDs carries more
Mbit*kilometer/second than DSL.

Harold

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2008\04\28@122449 by Josh Koffman

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Harold Hallikainen
<spam_OUTharoldTakeThisOuTspamhallikainen.org> wrote:
> Several years ago, one of the magazines ran an April 1 article about DHL
>  being the new DSL since a truck load of DVDs carries more
>  Mbit*kilometer/second than DSL.

And now for one of my favourite quotes:

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes
hurtling down the highway.

—Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996).

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet

Josh
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2008\04\28@162329 by cdb

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:: BUT then the Auckland man stepped in and ... 36 hours and 38
:: minutes later ...

Her Majesty's Customs step in?

I can get deliveries from the UK or US within 3-5 days, a delivery
from Melbourne to Queensland can take 2 weeks, by post!. I'm still
puzzled.

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2008\04\28@171815 by Brent Brown

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On 29 Apr 2008 at 0:30, Apptech wrote:
> I usually can't speak too highly about DHL's excellence at
> getting parcels from semi-random locations somewhere on
> earth to my local airport. Or too lowly about their ability
> to get parcels from the local airport to me.

Hi Russel, I've used DHL in the past for PCB's out of China, and they did a good job
(Shenzhen to here), but was costing me way too much so I switched to TNT. They
also have been very good with delivery times, sometimes as fast as 2 or 3 days
door to door, 3 to 5 days is a reliable estimate. Once or twice Customs has stepped
in and held things up a few days, but that happens with any carrier.

To compare costs, Shenzhen China to Hamilton New Zealand, very approx:
DHL 10kg USD440, TNT USD140
DHL 20kg USD640, TNT USD250
DHL 30kg USD825, TNT USD380

Still very expensive in the scheme of things, but haven't found any cheaper options
yet. Fedex and UPS cheaper than DHL but not as cheap as TNT. Some others use
TNT as a subcontractor. I did ask DHL about sea freight one time, they came back
with a quote of about USD2300 for a 30kg item, think I was purchasing the shipping
container or something...

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2008\04\28@184827 by Apptech

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> To compare costs, Shenzhen China to Hamilton New Zealand,
> very approx:
> DHL 10kg USD440, TNT USD140
> DHL 20kg USD640, TNT USD250
> DHL 30kg USD825, TNT USD380

It sounds like someone MAY be ripping you off at the Chinese
end.

I'm told by a US national who is long time resident in China
that DHL China-NZ is about ?20%? of DHL NZ-China. A < 1kg
parcel that cost about $NZ130 NZ-China cost he said under
$NZ30 the other way.


       Russell


2008\04\28@184829 by Apptech

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<.....haroldKILLspamspam.....hallikainen.org> wrote:
> Several years ago, one of the magazines ran an April 1
> article about DHL
>  being the new DSL since a truck load of DVDs carries more
>  Mbit*kilometer/second than DSL.

And now for one of my favourite quotes:

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of
tapes
hurtling down the highway.

—Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996).

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet

Josh

>From memory:

   "On a clear disk you can seek forever."*

   "Moving at the speed of write"

   "Viruses cross the world at 360 kB"**



* A time will come when that makes no sense to younger
people.

** A time has come when that makes no sense to younger
people.

I still have a subdirectory [aka folder] named "Sneakernet"



           Russell

2008\04\28@200859 by Brent Brown

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On 29 Apr 2008 at 10:47, Apptech wrote:
> > To compare costs, Shenzhen China to Hamilton New Zealand,
> > very approx:
> > DHL 10kg USD440, TNT USD140
> > DHL 20kg USD640, TNT USD250
> > DHL 30kg USD825, TNT USD380
>
> It sounds like someone MAY be ripping you off at the Chinese
> end.
>
> I'm told by a US national who is long time resident in China
> that DHL China-NZ is about ?20%? of DHL NZ-China. A < 1kg
> parcel that cost about $NZ130 NZ-China cost he said under
> $NZ30 the other way.

Possible, but hope not, all organised through TNT NZ office, and compared rates a
with a number of contenders.

An old TNT price list shows 1kg parcel NZ-China NZD46 and China-NZ NZD62, so
their price changes with direction too but not as much as in your example.

Prices I think are reasonable given the fast service, but I could also settle for slower
and cheaper. Talking to the China end they don't seem to know about international
slow post options.

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16 English Street, St Andrews,
Hamilton 3200, New Zealand
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Fax: +64 7 849 0071
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2008\04\28@214232 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 08:08 PM 4/28/2008, you wrote:
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You'd think their cargo airplanes would have more empty space on the NZ-China
route, so the price for larger shipments should be lower going that way,
absent any distortions due to taxes or whatever. But it doesn't appear to be
so.

If you go to DHL's website, a 10kg package from NZ to Beijing is RMB 1375,
and a 10kg package from Beijing to NZ is RMB 1275, not including customs
charges and a 21.5% fuel surcharge for May. Almost the same (and not cheap).

A 1kg package (not documents) is 415 RMB incoming and 315 RMB outgoing.
(76 NZD vs. 57 NZD plus 21.5%)

For Shenzhen to NZ DHL shows 376 US including the surcharge.

Probably substantial discounts are available from the rack rates for large
shippers- a 35% discount would put the DHL rate at about the same, assuming
that all prices include the fuel surcharge.

>Best regards,

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2008\04\30@073318 by Tony Smith

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> > I usually can't speak too highly about DHL's excellence at getting
> > parcels from semi-random locations somewhere on earth to my local
> > airport. Or too lowly about their ability to get parcels from the
> > local airport to me.
>
> Hi Russel, I've used DHL in the past for PCB's out of China,
> and they did a good job (Shenzhen to here), but was costing
> me way too much so I switched to TNT. They also have been
> very good with delivery times, sometimes as fast as 2 or 3
> days door to door, 3 to 5 days is a reliable estimate. Once


I try to avoid TNT these days.

Once upon a time I ordered a small mill; it weighed about 70kg and was in a
wooden crate about the size of a bar fridge.  Not exactly something you
cheerfully tuck under your arm, but easy enough to shift with a trolley.

They couldn't deliver it, and the reason was 'they couldn't get it off the
truck'.  My response was 'eh, you got it ON the truck, surely it must have
occurred to your good selves that you would have to get it back OFF the
truck at the other end.'.  Actually, my response had the word 'fucking' in
there a few times, it's left to the readers imagination as to where & how
many.

After that they delivered a compressor, and managed to get that off the
truck, oddly enough.  :)  Their complaint that time was that it leaked oil,
I pointed out that if they had taken notice of the big arrow on the side of
the crate, it wouldn't have been a problem, and refused to take delivery
until someone cleaned it.

Tony

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