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'[OT]:: And the sun comes up like thunder'
2007\10\31@220845 by Russell McMahon

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I expect to be visiting Qingdao, in China North of Shanghai,
on business for a few days from about November 12th. I don't
know exactly when or how I'll arrive and leave yet but
probably but not certainly via  Shanghai both ways.
Depending on circumstances I may (or may not) get a chance
to look around a day or so either side of this period. I'd
be interested in any (polite & sensible :-) ) suggestions of
sites or sights to see while I'm there. Either Qingdao,
Shanghai or China related or anything from industries,
scenery, food, notable customs or whatever.  I will have a
camera or 3* with me, but will quite probably get to take
far fewer than my usual complement of photos). I've been to
Taiwan several times but never to mainland China, so I have
a general experience of Chinese culture. My vocab is about 2
words (Nihau, XieXie). Maybe I could add a very few more
words to that.


           R


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2007\10\31@225512 by Richard Prosser

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Add "thai-gee-la" to your vocab - "Far too expensive".

Also "Book-a-che" = "my pleasure"

"pee-ju" = beer, but the more common name is the brand name "Ching - tau"

English is pretty widely spoken in the hotels etc. & I didn't have a
problem communicating.

If you need any specific phrases I can find out.

The monorail from Shanghai airport to the city looked worth the ride &
is probably a lot quicker than by car. The city itself is supposed to
be well worth a visit but I didn't manage it - I was stuck in the
outer suburbs for a week with a problem to fix.

RP

On 01/11/2007, Russell McMahon <spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
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2007\10\31@230432 by Sean Schouten

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> The monorail from Shanghai airport to the city looked worth the ride &
> is probably a lot quicker than by car. The city itself is supposed to
> be well worth a visit but I didn't manage it - I was stuck in the
> outer suburbs for a week with a problem to fix.
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Yeah, about (atleast) 300km/h faster.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Maglev_Train

2007\10\31@233657 by David Meiklejohn

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>> The monorail from Shanghai airport to the city looked worth the ride &
>> is probably a lot quicker than by car. The city itself is supposed to
>> be well worth a visit but I didn't manage it - I was stuck in the
>> outer suburbs for a week with a problem to fix.
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> Yeah, about (atleast) 300km/h faster.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Maglev_Train

For all of 5 mins, yes.  The Maglev is certainly worth riding, but it
spends half the time accelerating to 400km/h before almost immediately
slowing to stop!  The terminal is in the middle of nowhere (ok, Pudong),
but if you're not staying near there it can be a problem since there
aren't a lot of taxis at the Maglev station.  There is a metro (subway)
station at the Maglev terminus, and it's easy for even a non-Chinese
speaker like me to buy a ticket from the English-friendly machines, but
forget it if it's rush hour and you have luggage - the Metro is packed!
Mind you, it beats the crazy taxi ride from the airport - I generally sit
there white-knuckled as the driver weaves in and out of traffic at twice
the speed limit...

As for what to see in Shanghai, it's not much of a tourist town, so
there's not a lot, really.  Going to the Bund at night, to see Pudong lit
up across the river, is a must-do.  Women seem to enjoy the shopping, but
it seems to be all fashion, so boring!  And there's always $1 DVDs to be
had, plus "Rolex" salesmen, "Art students", "English students" etc. trying
to extract money from you in various ways, especially along Nanjing Road.
If you like museums, the Shanghai museum is well worth a look.  The Yu
garden is nice, as is the area around there with market stalls and such.
But Shanghai is clearly a place for doing business in, not seeing
sights...


- David



2007\10\31@234859 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 11/1/07, Russell McMahon <.....apptechKILLspamspam@spam@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> I expect to be visiting Qingdao, in China North of Shanghai,
> on business for a few days from about November 12th. I don't
> know exactly when or how I'll arrive and leave yet but
> probably but not certainly via  Shanghai both ways.
> Depending on circumstances I may (or may not) get a chance
> to look around a day or so either side of this period. I'd
> be interested in any (polite & sensible :-) ) suggestions of
> sites or sights to see while I'm there. Either Qingdao,
> Shanghai or China related or anything from industries,
> scenery, food, notable customs or whatever.  I will have a
> camera or 3* with me, but will quite probably get to take
> far fewer than my usual complement of photos). I've been to
> Taiwan several times but never to mainland China, so I have
> a general experience of Chinese culture. My vocab is about 2
> words (Nihau, XieXie). Maybe I could add a very few more
> words to that.
>

I've never been in anywhere north of Shanghai even though
I was born in China. In fact, the number of provinces (5:
Fujian, Guangdong, Zhejiang, Shanghai and Jiangxi) in China
I've been to is equal to the countries I've been to (5: China,
Singapore, USA, Malaysia and Indonesia). I know it is a
shame...

Qinagdao is north of Shanghai so I have not been there.
Qingdao beer is the No 1 beer in China and even the Germans
say it is good (but I do not like to drink beer myself). The sea
food is supposedly quite good from TV shows. It is also said
that they have pretty girls and nice beaches. ;-)

Qingdao is a very nice place as far as I know from my
colleague who came from Qingdao. A lot connections
with German culture.

There are not much things to see in Shanghai in terms of
scenery spots, pretty much a cosmopolitan city. I do not
quite like the sweet-ish native Shanghainese food but there
are many other choices. You can perhaps go along well with
English even though they will prefer you to have a American
accent than a NZ one. ;-) My first Oral English teacher is
from New Zealand after he was laid off by NZ Telecom in
the early 1990s. He is a very nice guy. But apparently he was
not as popular as those from US or UK so he had to move to
other universities in China.

But in generals, westerners are quite welcome in Qingdao
and China and I think English should get you along with
the help of a bit of sign language.

Be warned that things are not cheap in big shopping malls.
And be careful of cheap things in terms of quality.

Xiaofan


'[OT]:: And the sun comes up like thunder'
2007\11\01@011032 by Russell McMahon
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Thanks for the input.

> ... You can perhaps go along well with
> English

It's worked well enough so far.
27 countries / republics / ... and counting ... :-)
Most of them had English as the or a major language though.
Or versions of it, as in eg the US :-)

> My first Oral English teacher is
> from New Zealand after he was laid off by NZ Telecom in
> the early 1990s.

What was his name. There's a reasonable chance of my knowing
him.

> Be warned that things are not cheap in big shopping malls.

I'll have to wait until I get back to NZ to buy cheap
Chinese goods in shopping malls then :-).

> And be careful of cheap things in terms of quality.

I know that lesson :-) - be it Chinese or other cheap goods.


       Russell


2007\11\01@011032 by Russell McMahon

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Ah.

That should have been

       " ... and the dawn comes up like thunder ... "

http://chindit.org.uk/9mandalay.htm

2007\11\01@045732 by Alan B. Pearce

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>The monorail from Shanghai airport to the city looked worth the ride

Is that the maglev?

When we were in China we had no problem communicating, without knowing any
Chinese. Stall holders in market places generally have calculators with
large numerals on them and will enter the price to show it to you. You can
then enter your bid, and so on until you reach an agreeable price.

Shanghai was nice - the little we saw of it. I do remember standing on one
side of the river in the area that was the English quarter when they were
there, and looking across the river at the Shanghai Tower - which one could
only just make out in the smog.

2007\11\07@092410 by SME

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What about Beijing?
Any thoughts on what to see or do in a short time?
Cheap but good (or good but cheap) place to stay?

May catch train from Qingdao north to Beijing and thence fly
out via Hong Kong.

Probably leave Qingdao on Friday or maybe Saturday so arrive
Beijing in weekend.

I'd have liked to visit a friend in Urumchi, but the
distances are larger than eg San Diego to Florida :-)
Maybe not quite as far as Maine to Tacoma, but close.


       R




2007\11\07@100433 by Alan B. Pearce

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>What about Beijing?
>Any thoughts on what to see or do in a short time?
>Cheap but good (or good but cheap) place to stay?

>From Beijing there are bus day trips to the Great Wall.

2007\11\07@125501 by Spehro Pefhany
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Quoting SME <apptechspamKILLspamparadise.net.nz>:

Do you like Kipling?
(I don't know, I've never kippled..)

> What about Beijing?
> Any thoughts on what to see or do in a short time?

The standard things are the Great Wall, Forbidden City
(called the Palace Museum), the Summer Palace etc. You can
see them all in a couple of days if you hire a car and driver.
Shopping on Wangfujing Street. Have a walk through the hutongs,
and don't fall for the "student art show" scams. If it's open
(probably not on weekends) check out the tiny pickled chairman
in his resting place in Tian an men square.

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You can fly. It's not too expensive in China; maybe $350 USD
return, which is practically pocket change with the (lack of)
value of the USD these days. Get your ticket
from a local travel agent rather than online and you may pay
a fair bit less (typically 2/3-1/2, unless you hit a heavy
season or an unusual route).


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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