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2007\04\14@102433 by Russell McMahon

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I'm sure that the following "information" will be of underwhelming
interest to most readers :-(.
Ross / Ken might wish to forward this to Steve Baldwin.

I just discovered by chance that Google groups knows about an earlier
internet posting of mine than it previously did - probably courtesy of
Henry Spencer's archiving activities.

My oldest recorded internet footprint is now April 24th 1992 - 14
years ago in another 9 days. Unlike my prior oldest known post where
Henry Spencer was pointing out the deficiencies in my rocketry
knowledge (some things don't change) this post has me recommending a
friend's mobile data terminals to a fellow NZer, Steve Baldwin. Small
world.

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Underwhelming record of a seemingly random selection of 8 of my early
posts (out of a rather larger number of actual originals). The basis
on which posts survived or not in the archives is unknown.

       http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=xd4hyhwAAABhsdWrCdUB5d0YzrBbu6KU-V0lwH-bjkNlu70c8Z4Iew

My access way back then was by 300 baud modem to a local BBS system
(Kappa Crucis) which just happened to have internet access via a
landline to the university. This was exceedingly rare at that stage -
I know of no other Auckland NZ BBS at that stage that provided net
access. Local isolated BBSs were essentially the sole means of PC
intercommunications.




       Russell


2007\04\15@185321 by Zik Saleeba

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Thanks for that Russell - what a blast from the past. My first post
was on May 17th 1990. I think I can date all my current spam back to
that first exposure :)

Cheers,
Zik

On 4/15/07, Russell McMahon <spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
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2007\04\15@200045 by Harold Hallikainen

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The earliest posting I can find that I made is June 4, 1991
(http://groups.google.com/group/comp.dcom.fax/browse_thread/thread/eb54dd55440321ff/108a104588b04950?lnk=st&q=hhallika&rnum=446#108a104588b04950).
I must have done some stuff before that, but that's the earliest Google
finds today. This was done through either Cal Poly San Luis Obispo CA,
where I had an account, or the Cleveland Freenet, which I could telnet to.
By this time, I was probably using a 286 computer. My first Internet stuff
(or timeshare using "Source Telecomputing" was using a Lear Siegler ADM-1
terminal and a home built modem using the XR2206 and XR2211, running at
300bps.

Harold


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2007\04\15@212421 by William Chops Westfield

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On Apr 15, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:

> The earliest posting I can find that I made

I'm starting to confuse the issue.  "westfw" was the name I first used
on the ARPANet, starting in about 1978 (6-letter usernames, first five
letters of the last name and first initial; a school standard.)  I got
the free accounts at MIT under "billw", and was billw through most of
my career.  However, I missed getting "billw" on most of the free and
commercial email services (yahoo, google, etc); I guess it's a pretty
popular name :-(  So I've reverted to "westfw", which goggles real well.

xmodem for tops10:
http://groups.google.com/group/fa.info-cpm/browse_thread/thread/
1826bb3801bfafe3/abaa1b9631e34c0d?
lnk=st&q=westfw&rnum=1&hl=en#abaa1b9631e34c0d

Is the first thing google knows about, but it only goes back to 1981
(which was my graduation year.)  There were a couple things I published
to "the internet (well, ARPANet) at large" earlier, including an 8085
emulator, and an implementation of the SUPDUP client for tops10.

The xmodem thing is actually one of my more legitimate claims to early
internet fame.  I later wrote a version for tops20, which became the  
version
used by the army/etc to do downloads of CPM/MSDOS software from the  
original
Simtel-20 repository of freeware/shareware/etc.

BillW

2007\04\15@231423 by Harold Hallikainen

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Your mention of XMODEM reminds me of MODEM7, I think it was, written by
Ward Christiansen, I think? I had it on my CP/M Cromemco system.

Harold

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2007\04\16@014401 by William Chops Westfield

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On Apr 15, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:

> Your mention of XMODEM reminds me of MODEM7, I think it was, written by
> Ward Christiansen, I think? I had it on my CP/M Cromemco system.
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Yep.  Same thing, or rather same protocol.  There was also Ymodem that
added large blocks and wildcarding, and zmodem that added sliding
windows.
Some of these are still in use; several of the cisco routers will allow
you
do upload to flash memory via the console port using some variety or
other.

BillW

2007\04\16@111412 by Harold Hallikainen

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> On Apr 15, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
>
>> Your mention of XMODEM reminds me of MODEM7, I think it was, written by
>> Ward Christiansen, I think? I had it on my CP/M Cromemco system.
>>
> Yep.  Same thing, or rather same protocol.  There was also Ymodem that
> added large blocks and wildcarding, and zmodem that added sliding
> windows.
> Some of these are still in use; several of the cisco routers will allow
> you
> do upload to flash memory via the console port using some variety or
> other.
>
> BillW
>

I think linux supports zmodem using sz to send and rz to receive. I used
to use that with Teraterm.

Harold

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2007\04\16@154349 by Steve Baldwin

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Russell,

I remember that MDT. The project never went anywhere.

For what it's worth, KC is still my ISP. It started as KCBBS in '88 and had a limited
Usenet feed. I have a printout from then somewhere. Email was a couple of years
later.
Although I had a modem, the primary means of communication was a Ford Popular.
It was easier to drive a couple of miles and use his terminal than to have the modem
drop out all the time. It took forever to read all those Usenet posts.

Some of these old Usenet posts still turn up. Every so often I get an email quoting
something I wrote back in the 90's and asking a question as if it was still fresh in my
mind. There are few things left in my mind that could be considered fresh.

Steve.


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2007\04\16@191005 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Harold Hallikainen wrote:

>> Yep.  Same thing, or rather same protocol.  There was also Ymodem that
>> added large blocks and wildcarding, and zmodem that added sliding
>> windows. Some of these are still in use; several of the cisco routers
>> will allow you do upload to flash memory via the console port using
>> some variety or other.
>>
>
> I think linux supports zmodem using sz to send and rz to receive. I used
> to use that with Teraterm.

Windows comes out of the box with support for x y and zmodem (by HyperTerm
:)  Never used it, though -- at the time I used it, I used other programs.

Gerhard

2007\04\17@035852 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Windows comes out of the box with support for x y and zmodem (by
>HyperTerm :)  Never used it, though -- at the time I used it,
>I used other programs.

I have a feeling that Terminal what came with Win 3.x may also do these.

2007\04\22@131612 by Nate Duehr

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On 4/16/07, Harold Hallikainen <.....haroldKILLspamspam.....hallikainen.org> wrote:

> I think linux supports zmodem using sz to send and rz to receive. I used
> to use that with Teraterm.

Yes, these are in the "lrzsz" package on most linux distros.

It's a great "trick" to have up your sleeve, if you have shell access
to a Unix box and a terminal emulator that understands zmodem... you
can transfer files on and off the box through your terminal emulator
to your heart's content.  Use it every day, almost.  Saves on firing
up FTP, dealing with proxies/security, or hoping file transfers are
allowed via SCP/SFTP (SSH).

Personally, I like the commercial emulator "SecureCRT" for stuff like
this.  Auto-zmodem transfers make life super-easy, using that.

The other slightly more difficult but easily "do-able" trick is to
fire up uucp libraries to encode/decode binary stuff you want to toss
around via text transfer methods.

Nate

2007\04\22@134223 by Harold Hallikainen

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In the very early 1990s, my ISP did not support PPP or SLIP, so I used a
graphical browser called "Slip Knot." It used the shell to get pages using
Lynx, then send them to the browser using zmodem. Neat trick!

Harold


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