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'[OT[: Ethics test (genuine)'
2010\07\31@081451 by RussellMc

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I'd be interested in people's results from the test described below.
This is a genuine real world test that's as proper as such things can
reasonably be.

The following links access a genuine ethics test developed by Roger
Steare, a professor of organisational ethics, and corporate
philosopher in residence at the Cass Business School in London. He
notes that  the purpose of the test is to "understand how we as human
beings make the decisions that determine our lives and the world we
are creating for ourselves". Until we understand who we are, says
Steare, we really can't make decisions about who we ought to be.

I've seen some result sets and read his comments but not taken the
test yet. Takes about 20 minutes I'm told.
As explained in the article below, the result is ratings 1 - 10 in a
number of categories that allow

This links to an article that appeared in the NZ Herald.

         http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&objectid=10662433

Test here -

         http://www.ethicability.org

Roger Steare will be in New Zealand from the end of August for a
several speaking engagements.
More information at

                                http://www.hrinz.org.nz.


        Russel

2010\07\31@083523 by Michael Watterson

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 On 31/07/2010 13:14, RussellMc wrote:
> I'd be interested in people's results from the test described below.
> This is a genuine real world test that's as proper as such things can
> reasonably be.
>
> The following links access a genuine ethics test developed by Roger
> Steare, a professor of organisational ethics, and corporate
> philosopher in residence at the Cass Business School in London. He
> notes that  the purpose of the test is to "understand how we as human
> beings make the decisions that determine our lives and the world we
> are creating for ourselves". Until we understand who we are, says
> Steare, we really can't make decisions about who we ought to be.
>
> I've seen some result sets and read his comments but not taken the
> test yet. Takes about 20 minutes I'm told.
> As explained in the article below, the result is ratings 1 - 10 in a
> number of categories that allow
Hmmm...
They ask a lot of personal information before you can do it.

https://www2.ethicabilitytest.org/prod/user/register.php

Seems like someone's data-gathering + survey. I'd not enter all that stuff on Internet. I don't know who these people are, how secure their database is or how ethical they are :)

In contrast
http://www.politicalcompass.org/index
<</*The test presented on this website is entirely anonymous. None of your personal details are required, and nothing about your result is recorded or logged in any way. The answers are only used to calculate your reading, and cannot be accessed by anyone, ever.>>

So why not an anonymous version of the Ethics Test? :-)
*

2010\07\31@085631 by cdb

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:: I'd be interested in people's results from the test described
:: below.

Well, first I quibble at United Kingdom as a nationality - I'm British or English or on a dark night with the wrong passport in hand Australian.

Apparently I'm:

Complinace 3

Social conscience 3 (I disagree with that result)

Principled Consc 4

Wisdom 5 (that's rubbish)

Fairness 3 (hmm that seems low)

Courage 7 (depends what they mean by courage and more so what someone else perceives courage to mean)

Self Control 6 (that seems a tad high)

Trust 2 (waay too low)

Hope 1

Humility 5

Love 4 (that's far too high)

Honesty 5

Excellence 5 (hmm, seems high to me.)


I'll be seeing a retired Prof of psychology tomorrow and a psychiatrist, I'll see what they say.

The sad thing is so many companies produce these tests for prospective employees and yet they have no training on how to interpret the results,

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2010\07\31@085632 by Michael Watterson

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 On 31/07/2010 13:14, RussellMc wrote:
> I'd be interested in people's results from the test described below.
>

This one may shatter some preconceptions if you are not well read up on History
(last 200 years, mostly 20th Century)
*http://www.politicalcompass.org/iconochasms*

2010\07\31@090231 by cdb

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:: Hmmm...
:: They ask a lot of personal information before you can do it.

Well give them anything, that's what I did, and I have a special email address just for this type of dritte!

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2010\07\31@093724 by RussellMc

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> Seems like someone's data-gathering + survey. I'd not enter all that
> stuff on Internet. I don't know who these people are, how secure their
> database is or how ethical they are :)

The article I cited tells you who he is, where he's from, and what
he's trying to achieve. A prior survey was done by AFAIR 20,000+
people and this is the early days of a new one. Presumably this one
has been improved based on experience to date. Read the article for
some comment on interpretation

2010\07\31@093852 by RussellMc

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> I'll be seeing a retired Prof of psychology tomorrow and a psychiatrist,
> I'll see what they say.
>
> The sad thing is so many companies produce these tests for prospective
> employees and yet they have no training on how to interpret the results,

I don't know if you read the article. It gives  a  fair guide on
meaning. Your contacts are quite likely to know or know of this man

2010\07\31@101349 by PICdude

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Quoting Michael Watterson <mikespamKILLspamradioway.org>:

> Hmmm...
> They ask a lot of personal information before you can do it.
>
> https://www2.ethicabilitytest.org/prod/user/register.php
>
> Seems like someone's data-gathering + survey. I'd not enter all that
> stuff on Internet. I don't know who these people are, how secure their
> database is or how ethical they are :)
>

Just tried it.  You can fill in junk data as the report is given to  you at the end, so a valid email is not even required.

2010\07\31@113351 by V G

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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:13 AM, PICdude <.....picdude3KILLspamspam.....narwani.org> wrote:
> Just tried it.  You can fill in junk data as the report is given to
> you at the end, so a valid email is not even required.

Yeah, tried it too. The test is full of crap. Just some information
gathering scheme...

2010\07\31@120502 by Bob Blick

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On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 00:14:15 +1200, "RussellMc" said:
> I'd be interested in people's results from the test described below.
> This is a genuine real world test that's as proper as such things can
> reasonably be.

It gave me predictable results except for self-control, it thought I had
more than I know I exhibit, and courage, where it scored me lower than
it should have.

The main problem with this test, I think, is that it can't test well
across the spectrum of intelligence.

Cheerful regards,

Bob (who will run into a burning building or beat back a vicious dog to
rescue a child)

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2010\07\31@130355 by RussellMc

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> Yeah, tried it too. The test is full of crap. Just some information
> gathering scheme...

Almost certainly neither of those is true.
Did you read the article?
It may be that the formulation of questionnaires of this sort is far
enough from your specialist area that it's not obvious whether they
know what they ae doing. Or not.

R

2010\07\31@173143 by cdb

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I recall that the psychiatrist person I know mentioned that for true personality tests, a number of different ones need to be done and all last more than a day. He used to do profile tests for army recruits and apparently they involved three days observation and testing.

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'[OT[: Ethics test (genuine)'
2010\08\01@121556 by Justin Richards
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>. Just some information gathering scheme...
>
That's not ethical

2010\08\01@163039 by RussellMc

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> >. Just some information gathering scheme...

> That's not ethical.

And also almost certainly not correct.
Read the article and decide for yourself.


     Russel

2010\08\01@195013 by Tony Vandiver

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 If you need to take a test to find out if you're ethical...you're not

On 8/1/2010 3:30 PM, RussellMc wrote:
>>> . Just some information gathering scheme...
>> That's not ethical.
> And also almost certainly not correct.
> Read the article and decide for yourself.
>
>
>        Russell




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2010\08\01@201019 by PICdude

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Quoting Tony Vandiver <tonyspamspam_OUTtraceelectronics.com>:

>   If you need to take a test to find out if you're ethical...you're not
>

I know my level of ethics (and I tell you it sucks having ethics! :).   Similarly for having a conscience.  I, as I expect many others are,  was curious to see how accurate it would get it for me.  This helps me  decide how much to trust tests for qualities about myself that I'm not  sure about.

2010\08\01@202052 by Roger, in Bangkok

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I expect that most of these sorts of tests are geared more toward
prospective new employee screening rather than self evaluation.  Many moons
ago larger employers/head-hunters relied heavily on what they called
"written polygraph" tests for new hires :-/

RiB

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 07:10, PICdude <@spam@picdude3KILLspamspamnarwani.org> wrote:

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2010\08\02@075701 by RussellMc

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Most of the prognostications on the reason for the test and a rough
indication of how good it is liable to be, and what "good" means in the
context, and what the implications of the ratios and absolute values might
imply, all suitably approximately, are reasonably well addressed by the
newspaper article that I cited in the original post.

Portions from my post:

The following links access a genuine ethics test developed by Roger
Steare, a professor of organisational ethics, and corporate
philosopher in residence at the Cass Business School in London.

He notes that  the purpose of the test is to "understand how we as human
beings make the decisions that determine our lives and the world we
are creating for ourselves". Until we understand who we are, says
Steare, we really can't make decisions about who we ought to be.

This links to an article that appeared in the NZ Herald.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&objectid=10662433

Test here -

        http://www.ethicability.org


              Russel

2010\08\02@223252 by Jim Korman

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RussellMc wrote:
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choices are limited.

Jim

2010\08\02@232343 by Richard Prosser

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On 3 August 2010 14:32, Jim Korman <RemoveMEjimkormanTakeThisOuTspammissouri-riverside.us> wrote:
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And  I wonder how much of the test (survey ??) was to see how people
considered the results accurate and which are they thought most
inaccurate. (The final 2 questions IIRC)

RP

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