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'[OT:] mozilla firebird'
2004\02\03@041300 by Jonathan Johnson

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Hey hows everyone going?

Out of curiosity I have just started using firebird, for the past day its
seems to be pretty good. I often have a truckload of tabs open in my browser
( when I'm doing research I like to have all the info ready to my
fingertips....so that it's totally relevant, lets say PIC research;-) and
multiple windows as well(I'm normally a mozilla user) and this thing handles
it even better than mozilla.

I was just wondering what the general consensus is. Anybody else tried it?

cheers,

Jonathan

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2004\02\03@053017 by Matt Pobursky

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:21:02 +1100, Jonathan Johnson wrote:
> I was just wondering what the general consensus is. Anybody else
> tried it?

I've been using it as my default browser for over a year now, in both
Windows and Linux.

Matt Pobursky
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2004\02\03@080401 by Mark

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       I'm using it for long time now. An excellent browser!

       As a sugestion, take a look at the "extensions" available
at the Firebird homepage. Lots of interesting features there.

       Mark


On 3 Feb 2004 at 20:21, Jonathan Johnson wrote:

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2004\02\03@090121 by Herbert Graf

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>         I'm using it for long time now. An excellent browser!
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>         As a sugestion, take a look at the "extensions" available
> at the Firebird homepage. Lots of interesting features there.
>
>         Mark

       I don't know how related they are, but I was using a few versions of
Mozilla a year or two ago and they consistently CRASHED while accessing
certain websites. And it wasn't a random occurrence, it was very
predictable. Made me use Netscape instead, talk about yuk... I guess they've
improved things? BTW it was on a SUN Unix platform, not sure which version
of Solaris. TTYL

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2004\02\03@102131 by Tom
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At 08:21 PM 2/3/2004 +1100, you wrote:
>Out of curiosity I have just started using firebird,
>
>I was just wondering what the general consensus is. Anybody else tried it?
>
>cheers,
>
>Jonathan

I started using it 2 weeks ago and now keep both it and MSIE available.  I
have chosen *NOT* to load it up with flash/java extensions.  In this way,
it is faster and even less susceptible to security violations.  And without
the extensions, you download it (6 meg zip file) and run - no installation
required. Nothing in the registry.

Why do I like it?  The tabs as others mentioned.  Probably the main thing
is that it's font sizing actually works and works easily.  Many sites
choose fonts that are too small for me and do not allow them to be resized,
somehow.  I've tried in MSIE and it won't do it.  With Firebird, hold down
the control key and use the rollerball on the mouse (or +/- keys) and every
font on *any* page will change.  No more leaning forward and squinting.

And it's been at least as stable as MSIE so far for me. Not perfect but the
overall experience is better for my purposes.

As the saying goes, ymmv.
Tom

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2004\02\03@110740 by Nate Duehr

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Jonathan Johnson wrote:
> Hey hows everyone going?
>
> Out of curiosity I have just started using firebird, for the past day its
> seems to be pretty good.

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> I was just wondering what the general consensus is. Anybody else tried it?

Both Mozilla Firebird (browser) and Mozilla Thunderbird (mail client)
are excellent quality software considering that they're both at 0.X
version levels right now.  I use both on a daily basis on a Mandrake 9.2
Linux system.  They're fast, stable, and I'm impressed with the active
development of plug-ins for Thunderbird (putting online/offline mail
support into the software via a plug-in, for example).

Firebird works great, stuff renders quickly and "correctly" (whatever
that is -- look at some of the non-standard HTML crap that people coding
for MSIE put out these days -- yuck), and it doesn't take forever to
load like its previous Netscape cousins.

Only real bug or problem I've found is that Thunderbird gets a bit
confused by an older (i.e. should be upgraded, but hasn't been) version
of Courier IMAP on a server and counts of new vs. read e-mail get a
little out of whack until you restart it.  No mail lost or anything like
that and it only happens with this older Courier IMAP server.

Nate Duehr, spam_OUTnateTakeThisOuTspamnatetech.com

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2004\02\03@112612 by Larry Williams

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I've been using it for awhile now. I've always prefered Netscape over
IE, but the newer versions are so large and bulky(slow). My older
version of netscape has started dying when it finds some webpages
because of the code used in them. Haven't had that problem with Mozilla,
YET!

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2004\02\03@214326 by 859-1?Q?Jaakko_Hyv=E4tti?=

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Herbert Graf wrote:
>         I don't know how related they are, but I was using a few versions of
> Mozilla a year or two ago and they consistently CRASHED while accessing
> certain websites. And it wasn't a random occurrence, it was very
> predictable. Made me use Netscape instead, talk about yuk... I guess they've
> improved things? BTW it was on a SUN Unix platform, not sure which version
> of Solaris. TTYL

 You are correct that it used to crash and you are correct that things
have changed.  It is the other way now: Netscape crashing makes people use
Mozilla.  I use both Mozilla 1.6 suite and standalone Firebird mixed.

 The most important thing in Mozilla (and standalone Thunderbird mail
client) is the efficient bayesian spam tool.  Really a must if you do not
have filtering on your email provider, and possibly even then it is good
to have.

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2004\02\04@073840 by Howard Winter

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Jonathan,

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:21:02 +1100, Jonathan Johnson
wrote:

> Out of curiosity I have just started using firebird,
for the past day its
> seems to be pretty good.
>...<
>
> I was just wondering what the general consensus is.
Anybody else tried it?

I've been using Firebird under OS/2 for some time, and
I've just started using the Windows version when I have
to.  I find it excellent, with none of the flakiness
that I've found in other browsers.

Considering it's still at version 0.7 (described as a
Beta test) it's remarkably good.  Fast, too!

I'd recommend it to anyone (in fact, I do! :-)

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

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2004\02\04@233103 by Brendan Moran

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I've been using Mozilla Firebird since it was called Phoenix, and I've
had very little trouble with it in all that time.  There are a few
things here and there that are a bit annoying but overall it's quite
good.  I'll take it over MSIE any day.

>  The most important thing in Mozilla (and standalone Thunderbird mail
>client) is the efficient bayesian spam tool.  Really a must if you do not
>have filtering on your email provider, and possibly even then it is good
>to have.
>
>
I also use Thunderbird now (have been for about a month) and I like it
in almost all respects.  My one minor complaint about thunderbnird is
that with full headers turned on, there is no ability to scroll so that
you can see all of a really big header.

As to spam filtering, I haven't tried out the Thunderbird filtering, but
I do use POPFile.  (popfile.sourceforge.net)
It filters everything so well that I haven't bothered with any other
filters.  With that and privoxy (http://www.privoxy.org) the majority of web
filth never reaches me.

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2004\02\05@090750 by Neil Cherry

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Brendan Moran wrote:

> I also use Thunderbird now (have been for about a month) and I like it
> in almost all respects.  My one minor complaint about thunderbnird is
> that with full headers turned on, there is no ability to scroll so that
> you can see all of a really big header.

Here's what I do, I view the headers in normal mode. When I want to
see what's in the full headers I select the mail (not double click)
and type Ctrl-U (Control and u). This lets me see the entire file
source. I found this very useful as I have html email turned off.

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'[OT:] mozilla firebird'
2004\03\05@085717 by Morgan Olsson
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I agree with the others FireFox (recently renamed) is really good, fast, and useful.  Definitely worth trying.
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

However i still stick with Opera
http://www.opera.com/
which i have been using since version 2.x and nothing i have tried i have liked as much.   Mouse gestures (nowadays also in FireFox as plugin), multiple documents, true fullscreen, zoom, integrated notes, etc.  The integrated email is like a database, quick to arrange through wiewpoints instead of maaging mailboxes and searching.  I expect version 7.5 soon-to-be released to be even better.  (Payware, or just don´t mind the smal ads in top right corner)
Works on several OS brands.

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2004\03\05@090931 by Ake Hedman

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I have to agree on your opinion on Opera. I have used it for a year now and
it's fast, intuitive to use and nice in all aspects. It's also very useful
on my Mobile phone. Try it folks!

/Ake

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I agree with the others FireFox (recently renamed) is really good, fast, and
useful.  Definitely worth trying.
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

However i still stick with Opera
http://www.opera.com/
which i have been using since version 2.x and nothing i have tried i have
liked as much.   Mouse gestures (nowadays also in FireFox as plugin),
multiple documents, true fullscreen, zoom, integrated notes, etc.  The
integrated email is like a database, quick to arrange through wiewpoints
instead of maaging mailboxes and searching.  I expect version 7.5 soon-to-be
released to be even better.  (Payware, or just don´t mind the smal ads in
top right corner)
Works on several OS brands.

/Morgan
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