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2004\06\23@133016 by Bob Barr

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I've just had a situation occur that's keeping me from doing an
account logon under Windows XP Home. I can still get running under
Safe Mode but normal startup fails when I try to select my account.

Whether I click on my account name or 'administrator' from the startup
screen, the frame on the graphic highlights but I never get the
"loading settings" message. After 30-60 seconds, the highlighted frame
on the graphic reverts to its non-selected state. When I restart in
Safe Mode, the event viewer shows that I've logged a security audit
failure with "Unknown User name or bad password" as the fault. (The
accounts I'm trying to login to have never had passwords on them.)

I've tried doing a 'System Restore' to the last restore point (and one
previous to it) but that hasn't helped. An online virus scan with RAV
antivirus detects no problems.

Before I reformat the disk and reinstall Windows from scratch, is
there anything else that I should try to get things back to normal?
I'm a bit stuck here so any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks, Bob

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2004\06\23@133732 by Alex Harford

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There's some Linux based boot floppies that attempt to recover NT
passwords and registry settings.

http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:39 -0700, Bob Barr <.....bbarrKILLspamspam@spam@california.com> wrote:
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> Before I reformat the disk and reinstall Windows from scratch, is
> there anything else that I should try to get things back to normal?
> I'm a bit stuck here so any help would be greatly appreciated.
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2004\06\23@134948 by Matthew Brush

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What about booting into safe mode and creating a brand new user?  Then restart and login as that user.

Might work ...

Cheers

Bob Barr <.....bbarrKILLspamspam.....CALIFORNIA.COM> wrote:
I've just had a situation occur that's keeping me from doing an
account logon under Windows XP Home. I can still get running under
Safe Mode but normal startup fails when I try to select my account.

Whether I click on my account name or 'administrator' from the startup
screen, the frame on the graphic highlights but I never get the
"loading settings" message. After 30-60 seconds, the highlighted frame
on the graphic reverts to its non-selected state. When I restart in
Safe Mode, the event viewer shows that I've logged a security audit
failure with "Unknown User name or bad password" as the fault. (The
accounts I'm trying to login to have never had passwords on them.)

I've tried doing a 'System Restore' to the last restore point (and one
previous to it) but that hasn't helped. An online virus scan with RAV
antivirus detects no problems.

Before I reformat the disk and reinstall Windows from scratch, is
there anything else that I should try to get things back to normal?
I'm a bit stuck here so any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks, Bob

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2004\06\23@135221 by John J. McDonough

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Subject: [OT:] WinXP login fails


> I've just had a situation occur that's keeping me from doing an
> account logon under Windows XP Home. I can still get running under
> Safe Mode but normal startup fails when I try to select my account.

Can you try applying a password while in safe mode then logging on with the
password?

Have you installed one of the SP2 candidates?  Sounds like the sort of thing
I would expect them to do.

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2004\06\23@135738 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:50:05 -0400, Matthew Brush wrote:

>What about booting into safe mode and creating a brand new user?  Then restart and login as that user.
>
>Might work ...
>
>Cheers
>

I forgot to mention that I had tried that. Unfortunately, a newly
created user account (whether created with a password or not) responds
just like my existing account does.

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2004\06\23@135951 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:53:06 -0400, "John J. McDonough" wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Barr" <spamBeGonebbarrspamBeGonespamCALIFORNIA.COM>
>Subject: [OT:] WinXP login fails
>
>
>> I've just had a situation occur that's keeping me from doing an
>> account logon under Windows XP Home. I can still get running under
>> Safe Mode but normal startup fails when I try to select my account.
>
>Can you try applying a password while in safe mode then logging on with the
>password?
>

New accounts created in Safe Mode behave just like the original one
does whether I apply a password or not.

>Have you installed one of the SP2 candidates?  Sounds like the sort of thing
>I would expect them to do.
>

No, this is plain vanilla WinXP (with all of the current Windows
upgrades).

Thanks, Bob

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2004\06\23@140407 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:37:40 -0700, Alex Harford wrote:

>There's some Linux based boot floppies that attempt to recover NT
>passwords and registry settings.
>
>http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/
>

That looks like a very handy utility but it's specifically intended
for use under Windows NT and not for XP. The difference is in how each
system encrypts its passwords.

I've downloaded a copy in case I everhave a similar problem on my NT
machine but it doesn't look like it will help on my XP system.


Thanks, Bob

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2004\06\23@140822 by Randy Glenn

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It sounds sort of like it's trying to contact a domain to log on...
don't know why it would.

Are you using the Welcome Screen or the standard log in prompt?

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:53:33 -0700, Bob Barr <bbarrEraseMEspam.....california.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:53:06 -0400, "John J. McDonough" wrote:
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> >{Original Message removed}

2004\06\23@141031 by Randy Glenn

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From the release notes, Dec. 8 2002:
* Tested on: NT4: wks, server, PDC. Win2k: pro and server (AD not
supported), XP pro

It should work with XP.

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2004\06\23@141033 by Tom

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This url probably needs unwrapping:

www.windowsnetworking.com/kbase/WindowsTips/WindowsXP/AdminTips/Secur
ity/RecoverLostWindowsNTAdministratorPassword.html

I just found it and have not tried it but it looked like it might apply to
you; maybe not.
Good luck!
Tom



At 10:53 AM 6/23/04 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:53:06 -0400, "John J. McDonough" wrote:
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>>{Original Message removed}

2004\06\23@142446 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:09:26 -0400, Randy Glenn wrote:

>>From the release notes, Dec. 8 2002:
>* Tested on: NT4: wks, server, PDC. Win2k: pro and server (AD not
>supported), XP pro
>
>It should work with XP.
>

Thanks. I missed that in the release notes. I'll re-read the FAQ. I
got the impression that password handling differences would keep this
from working on XP. I may have just misread it.

Thanks, Bob

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2004\06\23@142903 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:07:28 -0400, Randy Glenn
<EraseMErandy.glennspamspamspamBeGoneGMAIL.COM> wrote:

>It sounds sort of like it's trying to contact a domain to log on...
>don't know why it would.
>
>Are you using the Welcome Screen or the standard log in prompt?
>

I think it's a 'welcome screen' for lack of a better term.

The left half has a message telling you to click on an account to log
on. The right half has graphics and ID's for each of the user
accounts. Clicking on one of the user accounts has always logged on to
it.


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2004\06\23@143114 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:14:03 -0700, Tom wrote:

>This url probably needs unwrapping:
>
>www.windowsnetworking.com/kbase/WindowsTips/WindowsXP/AdminTips/Secur
>ity/RecoverLostWindowsNTAdministratorPassword.html
>
>I just found it and have not tried it but it looked like it might apply to
>you; maybe not.
>Good luck!
>Tom
>
>

Thanks. I'll give that link a try.


Bob

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2004\06\23@143523 by Randy Glenn

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This might then be related:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;305822&Product=winxp

though I'm not sure how - that article suggests that in that case
you'd still be able to log on.

Turning off the welcome screen / fast user switching (directions are
linked to from that article) might fix it.

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2004\06\23@154752 by Robert B.

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There are utilities out there for resetting windows XP passwords.  I don't
think they decrypt them for recovery, but it will delete/reset the
administrators account.  I used one the other day at my parents house since
they had changed the password and forgotten it.  I don't remember the link,
but search on google should turn something up.  Its also a linux-based
bootable CD.


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2004\06\23@173237 by Matthew Brush

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What about going into safe mode, deleting all accounts
(except admin) and creating only one account with no
password.  Then make sure the NT-style login screen is
disabled and it should go straight into windows
without showing the Welcome screen or loggin in or
anything.

Just an idea.

Good luck...cheers

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2004\06\23@182031 by Peter van Hoof

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If it is really stuck in the welcome screen ( i dont think xp pro uses this
at all ) a simple pressing of ctrl alt del twice should get you to a more
familiar logon screen where you can see what domain it tries to go to as
well.

tip: if installed standard try logging on with administrator and no password

One thing i always have to make people at work aware of is the status of
num/caplock keys when logging on

Peter
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2004\06\23@184550 by John Ferrell

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Boot from the WinXP CD, do a repair option.

John Ferrell
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2004\06\23@194138 by Matthew Fries

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XP Professional can use the welcome screen, although you quite often see it
on XP Home systems. You can change it in the control panel under User Accounts.

The difference between XP Pro and XP Home is that Pro is capable of
connecting to 10 other windows systems, while XP Home is limited to 4. Also,
there are different software packages installed by default I think.




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2004\06\23@212638 by John Ferrell

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Just when I think I am beginning to get a handle on things along comes
another mystery....
What do you mean when you say :
"The difference between XP Pro and XP Home is that Pro is capable of
connecting to 10 other windows systems, while XP Home is limited to 4."

John Ferrell
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2004\06\23@214129 by Robert Ussery

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>Just when I think I am beginning to get a handle on things along comes
>another mystery....
>What do you mean when you say :
>"The difference between XP Pro and XP Home is that Pro is capable of
>connecting to 10 other windows systems, while XP Home is limited to 4."
>
>John Ferrell
>http://DixieNC.US


Yes, please clarify... I know you can hook XP home up to a LAN with more
than 4 computers. Does this mean that you can only access files from 4 other
computers at once (i.e., only have mapped network drives from 4 computers)?
This is a good bit of information to know... I was never aware of this.

- Robert

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2004\06\24@080810 by Bob Ammerman

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Actually, I think it is the other way around. IIRC, An XP home machine can
share its drives and printers to at most four other machines at one time.

Bob Ammerman.
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2004\06\24@105013 by Matthew Fries

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Windows XP Home has a limit on the number of network connections. Four.

You wouldn't need to connect to more than 4 in a home-like environment
anyway.

In an enterprise environment, you might need to connect to more. Hence,
Windows XP Professional supports 10 connections.




On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, John Ferrell wrote:

> Just when I think I am beginning to get a handle on things along comes
> another mystery....
> What do you mean when you say :
> "The difference between XP Pro and XP Home is that Pro is capable of
> connecting to 10 other windows systems, while XP Home is limited to 4."
>
> John Ferrell
> http://DixieNC.US
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> {Original Message removed}

2004\06\24@122607 by Dave Tweed

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Matthew Fries <RemoveMEfreezeEraseMEspamspam_OUTVISI.COM> wrote:
> Windows XP Home has a limit on the number of network connections. Four.
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> You wouldn't need to connect to more than 4 in a home-like environment
> anyway.
>
> In an enterprise environment, you might need to connect to more. Hence,
> Windows XP Professional supports 10 connections.

Yes, I think we all understand it at that level.

The question on the table is, what does "connect" actually mean in this
context?

After all, when I plug in the LAN cable, I'm instantly connected to dozens
of machines at the physical level. But what is it that XP Home/Pro can
actually do with those machines (and how many of them) at a logical level?

And why would "Pro" anything have any limits at all?

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2004\06\24@124156 by Robert Ussery

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>Actually, I think it is the other way around. IIRC, An XP home machine can
>share its drives and printers to at most four other machines at one time.
>
>Bob Ammerman.
>RAm Systems

Cool... Thanks for the clarification. I'm going off to college at Georgia
Tech next year, and I've been discussing setting up an inter-dorm-room WLAN.
Currently, I have a WLAN in my home with 4 computers, but I figure the dorm
LAN will have a few more... three of mine and at least two or three others.

I've been debating an upgrade to XPPro for this reason, as well as the
reputed security and ease of use benefits for technical stuff. OTOH, I may
just wipe the drives on all of 'em, and install RedHat :OP.

TTYL!


- Robert

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2004\06\24@124427 by John Ferrell

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Are you saying 4 distinct networks or four computers?

John Ferrell
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see
> > it
> > > on XP Home systems. You can change it in the control panel under User
> > Accounts.
> > >
> > > The difference between XP Pro and XP Home is that Pro is capable of
> > > connecting to 10 other windows systems, while XP Home is limited to 4.
> > Also,
> > > there are different software packages installed by default I think.

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2004\06\24@135027 by Matthew Fries

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You know, I wish I had a link or something to this information. I heard it
at the Microsoft Security Summit, a couple of months ago. I might just be
talking out of my ass again :).

I think Bob Ammerman had it right... SHARING to 4 other windows machines
(not just "connecting"). Also, it's limited to the Microsoft networking
Client, not just any IP host.

If I can find a solid reference to this info, I'll post a link.


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2004\06\24@135441 by Tom

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part 1 683 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Found by google the attached gif with the basic differences.
Tom

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2004\06\24@140023 by Matthew Fries

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yeah, I found a link too:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpservr.htm#limit

Hmm.. At the bottom of the page, it says the limit for XP Home is 5
connections... I don't know why I thought it was 4.


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2004\06\24@140610 by Robert Ussery

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>Found by google the attached gif with the basic differences.
>Tom

Thanks! Very useful - clarifies a lot.

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2004\06\24@142519 by Jose Da Silva

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On June 24, 2004 09:41 am, Robert Ussery wrote:
>Cool... Thanks for the clarification. I'm going off to college at Georgia
>Tech next year, and I've been discussing setting up an inter-dorm-room
> WLAN. Currently, I have a WLAN in my home with 4 computers, but I figure
> the dorm LAN will have a few more... three of mine and at least two or
> three others.
>
>I've been debating an upgrade to XPPro for this reason, as well as the
>reputed security and ease of use benefits for technical stuff. OTOH, I
> may just wipe the drives on all of 'em, and install RedHat :OP.

Linux is growing in popularity, but you'll still run into nonlinux programs
on occasion, so best to learn how to make it a dual boot machine.
Just repartition the drive (add 3 more partitionsat back) and load
home+linux+swap on the back end of the drive.
Do the linux for security, internet, mail, etc, and do the windows for the
nonconnect stuff (such as programs which may not exist yet under linux).

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2004\06\24@143140 by Robert Ussery

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Yep... I'm actually running dual boot WinXP and KRUD (Redhat Distro) Linux
on my laptop. I wuz more or less kidding, but it sure would be nice to have
a completely open-source computer setup. Probably won't happen anytime soon,
but it would still be fun.

Anyhow, TTYL


- Robert

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2004\06\24@150256 by Bob Ammerman

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> The question on the table is, what does "connect" actually mean in this
> context?

Incoming logical connections. (File/Printer sharing, web serving, etc)

> And why would "Pro" anything have any limits at all?

So people don't use them as servers. You need to get a "$erver O$" to get
unlimited connections.

Bob Ammerman
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2004\06\25@191526 by Carey Fisher - NCS

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     > Cool... Thanks for the clarification. I'm going off to college
  > at Georgia
  > Tech next year, and I've been discussing setting up an
  > inter-dorm-room WLAN.
  >
  > - Robert
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Congratulations on your choice of school!!! It's a Great One!!!  I'm a
Ramblin Wreck, my Pa-In-Law, Bro-In-Law are also.
Also my nephew starts there this August.
Heck, everybody I get along with is a Tech grad. :o{

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