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'[OT:] SpaceShipOne goes supersonic'
2003\12\17@174228 by Russell McMahon

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http://www.hobbyspace.com/AAdmin/archive/RLV/2003/RLVNews2003-12.html#Dec.17.03

You know you are starting to get somewhere at this point.

First ever supersonic flight by a manned craft not backed in some way by
government sponsorship.

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2003\12\17@182002 by steve

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This is the first in-flight firing of the rubber-powered rocket motor that I
know of. Pretty cool! I'm sure it is no coincidence that Scaled decided to do
this on the 100th anniversary of flight. This is a pretty impressive
accomplishment for a relatively small, privately funded organization! The
rocket peaked at 68,000' and 930mph, and accelerated at 3gs in a climb!. I
would expect to see them in space probably within the first six months of 2004.
They are really doing some very exciting stuff. It is great to see a few
pioneers doing cutting edge development on a small scale, and doing it quite
successfully! It is really sad that some of Rutan's other superb designs were
smothered and his development in the experimental market extinguished by the
legal climate in the US. General Aviation might be going somewhere if people
like him weren't prevented from doing their work.

Steve Ruse

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2003\12\18@110029 by Mike Hord

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The best part is the link right below stating delays in NASA's
X-37 project.  This whole thing is really just a reaffirmation of
the role of private enterprise in the driving of technology.

Mike H.
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2003\12\18@111450 by David VanHorn

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>>www.hobbyspace.com/AAdmin/archive/RLV/2003/RLVNews2003-12.html#Dec.17.03
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>>You know you are starting to get somewhere at this point.
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>>First ever supersonic flight by a manned craft not backed in some way by
>>government sponsorship.

There's a supersonic homebuilt jet kit.

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2003\12\18@113555 by steve
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Flying? I've never heard of it. It has actally gone supersonic? Who designed it?

Quoting David VanHorn <dvanhornspamspam_OUTCEDAR.NET>:

> There's a supersonic homebuilt jet kit.

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2003\12\18@120050 by David VanHorn

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At 11:33 AM 12/18/2003 -0500, @spam@steveKILLspamspamWOTELECTRONICS.COM wrote:

>Flying? I've never heard of it. It has actally gone supersonic? Who designed it?

Jim Bede, of James bond fame.. The little jet that takes off out of the horse trailer.  That's the subsonic one.

http://www.bd5.com/bd01000.htm

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2003\12\18@120301 by David VanHorn

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At 11:59 AM 12/18/2003 -0500, David VanHorn wrote:

>At 11:33 AM 12/18/2003 -0500, KILLspamsteveKILLspamspamWOTELECTRONICS.COM wrote:
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>>Flying? I've never heard of it. It has actally gone supersonic? Who designed it?
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>Jim Bede, of James bond fame.. The little jet that takes off out of the horse trailer.  That's the subsonic one.
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>http://www.bd5.com/bd01000.htm


A little more googling turns up this:
http://www.ipilot.com/learn/expert-view.asp?cur=0&cid=3

What ever happened to the BD-10? I know that the first one crashed, but can you still build one?
The first one crashed, and the second one crashed as well. Each crash killed the then-president of the company developing the BD-10 for the market. Rights to the design were bounced around for a while, and I believe it's pretty much in limbo, now. At one point, a Canadian outfit was trying to develop it as a low-cost military trainer, but nothing came of it.
I think there were four originally built... the Bede prototype, two crashed as noted above, and one constructed by a customer. There are two listed in the 2001 registration database. The prototype is still listed as being owned by Bede Jet Corporation, and the other one is registered to a man in California.


Apparently some have flown, but they seem to have a problem with the smoothness of landing.

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2003\12\18@133501 by Nate Duehr

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On Thursday 18 December 2003 09:59 am, David VanHorn wrote:
> At 11:33 AM 12/18/2003 -0500, RemoveMEsteveTakeThisOuTspamWOTELECTRONICS.COM wrote:
> >Flying? I've never heard of it. It has actally gone supersonic? Who
> > designed it?
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> Jim Bede, of James bond fame.. The little jet that takes off out of
> the horse trailer.  That's the subsonic one.
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> http://www.bd5.com/bd01000.htm

Flying BD-10's that fast can be detrimental to one's health and longevity, for sure...

www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001206X02760&key=1
(The tail snapped off during tests to push to 380 KIAS.)

www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20030310X00313&key=1
(Eyewitness said he saw something go by so fast he couldn't focus on it and then saw parts floating in the ocean.)

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What ever happened to the BD-10? I know that the first one crashed, but can you still build one?
The first one crashed, and the second one crashed as well. Each crash killed the then-president of the company developing the BD-10 for the market. Rights to the design were bounced around for a while, and I believe it's pretty much in limbo, now. At one point, a Canadian outfit was trying to develop it as a low-cost military trainer, but nothing came of it.

I think there were four originally built... the Bede prototype, two crashed as noted above, and one constructed by a customer. There are two listed in the 2001 registration database. The prototype is still listed as being owned by Bede Jet Corporation, and the other one is registered to a man in California.
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Ed: And that "man in California" was killed in his two years later... in February 2003, according to the NTSB reports above.

I don't think the BD-10 qualifies as a SAFE aircraft to break the sound barrier in.  It just may have been the first to do so (380 KIAS at what density altitude?) but no one's survived to tell the tale so far.

Pretty good article about a whole lot of the projects and people involved in "pushing the envelope":
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031129/CENTRE29/TPFocus/

Which says :
"The BD-5 debacle didn't stop the indefatigable Mr. Bede. In the late 1980s, he designed the BD-10, a supersonic jet that could be built in a garage. The project faded into oblivion after a series of deadly crashes caused by design flaws."

-- Nate Duehr, spamBeGonenatespamBeGonespamnatetech.com

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