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'[OT:] PICList is NOT closing, Bad joke? (Apparentl'
William Chops Westfield
On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:34 PM, V. T. wrote:
> Without piclist cyberspace would loose a bulk of its intelligence which
> is rare already. %80 Adult material, %13 marketing, %5 information &
> %2 Knowledge, real bad joke...
You left out "theft." Current estimates are running "50% to 60% of
traffic is peer-to-peer 'sharing' applications" with 40% of measured
traffic in some places being bittorrent. MPIAA/etc is convinced that
ALL of that is people stealing music and video 'intellectual property',
but even assuming it's not THAT bad, it's probably still pretty bad.
Porn, theft, spam.
William Chops Westfield wrote:
I think people need to take into account the positive value of
materials, not the negative value. Sure the sharing of illegal software
is bad, but the PICList is extremely beneficial for many people, as are
many many many websites. Arguably pornography is the only thing on the
internet that really has the potential to harm people.
> Arguably pornography is the only thing on the internet that really
> has the potential to harm people.
You should have put your flame shields up before saying that :-).
Some will argue that porn does no harm to anyone.
(Some of these people probably also promote tobacco.)
Some will argue that Casino sites and similar do harm.
Some will argue that sites that provide information about potentially
dangerous activities do harm (explosives, poisons, ...)
Some will argue that sites that express contrary opinions to theirs do
Some will say that religious sites are harmful.
Some will ban internet access as too dangerous per se.
Some will say (after they've brought the imitation stone tablets down
from the mountain) that it's not the internet that harms people, it's
people that harm people.
Libertarians will argue that it's none of anyone else's business.
Wouter van Ooijen
> You left out "theft." Current estimates are running "50% to 60% of
> traffic is peer-to-peer 'sharing' applications" with 40% of measured
> traffic in some places being bittorrent. MPIAA/etc is convinced that
> ALL of that is people stealing music and video 'intellectual
> but even assuming it's not THAT bad, it's probably still pretty bad.
> Porn, theft, spam.
I guess the 'normal' people have taken over our internet. Time to pull
back into a new cyberspace. Where can I have an affinity gene spliced
Wouter van Ooijen
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>> Porn, theft, spam.
None of this need have much visible effect on most users who wish to
ISP spam filtering is getting rather good, as are personal antispam
Theft is up to the individual - as long as you don't allow an open
relay through your system.
Porn, should one wish to avoid it, can be avoided far far more
successfully than almost anyone seems to claim. I choose not to go
near porn sites (I'm a typical male and know that not starting is the
only sure defence against all addictive things that target the
pleasure centre strongly)(And the instruction manual says to flee from
it, which seems to be extremely good advice). I am as active a pseudo
random surfer as most (as people may have noticed), but I have
probably accidentally stumbled on porn sites less than a dozen times
in about 13 years on the internet. On the latest occasion I had a
young woman with me who I was attempting to show something quite
different and it was most embarrassing. I was using an anonymous proxy
site to look back into my own server and probably got something cached
that is more normal for that sort of service. I can't recall the last
time it happened before that. My wife would probably claim that this
was a result of failing memory :-).
The invisible effect of these resource consumers is to greatly
increase the cost of implementing the net. Hopefully the pay per view
people end up contributing their unfair share to my free surfing.
" ... whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever
is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is
excellent or praiseworthy - think about such things. " Philippians 4:8
I wonder if porn is, in truth, that bad.
In Japan, porn is very open. People are squeezed together on a commuter
train, yet several
people are reading little pamphlets of the grossest porn imaginable, yet
Japan's yearly sex
crimes can be easily counted on one hand. No scientific study has ever
shown a relationship
between porn and sex crimes.
Oh well, just my 2 breasts , i.e. cents worth.
Martin K wrote:
> Ok, so by "Arguably.. " I meant "IMO, YMMV, IANAL, but I would [not]
> argue that pornography... "
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