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2004\09\06@193428 by Jason S

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ffmpegX looks like it could be useful, I'll try it out.

The iMovie software doesn't seem very useful.  A pattern I've noticed at
least in the bundled software is that it's very easy to do a very narrow
range of things that Apple considers most common, and anything outside that
range is painful.  For some examples of where I've run into trouble -  In
iTunes, I can't import my CDs into mp3 format.  It wants to use its own
proprietary format.  That means I can't use the Mac to read new CDs if I
want to add the files to my library.

I have all my CDs ripped to mp3 in a directory on my file server.  When I
try to play from there in iTunes, it quickly reads the whole file across the
network, re-encodes it, and stores a local copy in proprietary format.  HD
space on the notebook is at a premium and I don't want to waste it
duplicating my music library.  The whole reason for having the file server
is to prevent that from being needed.  I also find the playlist management
features in iTunes to be very cryptic.  I use sub-directories on the server
to manage the library, but iTunes thinks its smarter by dumping everything
into one list.

I have a lot of pictures from my digital camera stored on my PC and I don't
have good image management software, so iPhoto seems like a useful tool.
The problem is, there's no apparent way to import the images from files on
the HD, the network, CDs, etc.  It only seems to accept pictures directly
from a digital camera.  Even for future pictures, I don't want to import
directly to iPhoto since that seems to make it more difficult to maintain my
archive of raw images freshly dumped from the camera.

I'm sure there are good ways to do both these things and everything else I'm
having problems with, but I just don't see it.

How can I change the file associations?  For example to make avi files open
in VLC instead of QuickTime.  Is there a way to set up hotkeys to launch
applications, like <shift>-<alt>-M to launch mozilla?

As far as buying commercial software, I know I will have to eventually, but
after the dent the powerbook itself made in my bank account, that won't be
for a while :).  Photoshop elements has a higher priority on my software
shopping list than video editing software too.

Jason

{Original Message removed}

2004\09\06@215338 by Randy Glenn

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See comments below

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:39:58 -0700, Jason S <spam_OUTpicTakeThisOuTspamcanadaspeaks.com> wrote:
> ffmpegX looks like it could be useful, I'll try it out.
>
> The iMovie software doesn't seem very useful.  A pattern I've noticed at
> least in the bundled software is that it's very easy to do a very narrow
> range of things that Apple considers most common, and anything outside that
> range is painful.  

Definitely noticed that - I can't figure out how to change IMAP
refresh intervals in the Apple Mail program (so I use Thunderbird and
GMail instead). Still, the basic stuff seems very easy.

> For some examples of where I've run into trouble -  In
> iTunes, I can't import my CDs into mp3 format.  It wants to use its own
> proprietary format.  That means I can't use the Mac to read new CDs if I
> want to add the files to my library.

Try going to iTunes -> Preferences -> Importing. You should be able to
change the encoder there.

> I have all my CDs ripped to mp3 in a directory on my file server.  When I
> try to play from there in iTunes, it quickly reads the whole file across the
> network, re-encodes it, and stores a local copy in proprietary format.  HD
> space on the notebook is at a premium and I don't want to waste it
> duplicating my music library.  The whole reason for having the file server
> is to prevent that from being needed.  I also find the playlist management
> features in iTunes to be very cryptic.  I use sub-directories on the server
> to manage the library, but iTunes thinks its smarter by dumping everything
> into one list.

To keep it from copying, go to the Advanced tab in the preferences
window and uncheck "Copy files to iTunes Music folder..."

>
> I have a lot of pictures from my digital camera stored on my PC and I don't
> have good image management software, so iPhoto seems like a useful tool.
> The problem is, there's no apparent way to import the images from files on
> the HD, the network, CDs, etc.  It only seems to accept pictures directly
> from a digital camera.  Even for future pictures, I don't want to import
> directly to iPhoto since that seems to make it more difficult to maintain my
> archive of raw images freshly dumped from the camera.

Have you tried Drag and Drop? It worked fine for me. My only gripe
with iPhoto is that it won't do hierarchial albums - I just came back
from a trip to California, and would like to keep all the pictures
under that heading, but the ones from Carlsbad seperate from the ones
from Palm Springs. So a top-level "California Trip 2004" album with
sub-albums for "Legoland," "Killer Pizza from Mars," "Beach," and
"Desert," etc. would be ideal.

>
> I'm sure there are good ways to do both these things and everything else I'm
> having problems with, but I just don't see it.

Yeah, I can relate to that - it took me a while to get used to a lot
of it. But I knew I'd switched over when I kept hitting F9 on my
Windows machine at work, and Expose never kicked in :)

>
> How can I change the file associations?  For example to make avi files open
> in VLC instead of QuickTime.  Is there a way to set up hotkeys to launch
> applications, like <shift>-<alt>-M to launch mozilla?

Don't know about hotkeys, but to change the file associations, find a
file (like an AVI), bring up the Get Info window, and expand the Open
With section. Choose your alternate application, and click on the
"Change All" button.

> As far as buying commercial software, I know I will have to eventually, but
> after the dent the powerbook itself made in my bank account, that won't be
> for a while :).  Photoshop elements has a higher priority on my software
> shopping list than video editing software too.

I can relate to the cost thing - my 15" PB and iPod set me back quite
a bit. Have you looked at The GIMP for photo editing?
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2004\09\06@215832 by Wesley Moore

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On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 04:39:58PM -0700, Jason S wrote:
> ffmpegX looks like it could be useful, I'll try it out.
>
> The iMovie software doesn't seem very useful.  A pattern I've noticed at
> least in the bundled software is that it's very easy to do a very narrow
> range of things that Apple considers most common, and anything outside that
> range is painful.  For some examples of where I've run into trouble -  In
> iTunes, I can't import my CDs into mp3 format.  It wants to use its own
> proprietary format.  That means I can't use the Mac to read new CDs if I
> want to add the files to my library.

iTunes will encode to MP3, it's in the preferences under immporting. AAC,
which I assume you are referring to is not a proprietry format, it is an
MPEG standard. It is the default on a new system but you can easily change
that as I mentioned.

> I have all my CDs ripped to mp3 in a directory on my file server.  When I
> try to play from there in iTunes, it quickly reads the whole file across the
> network, re-encodes it, and stores a local copy in proprietary format.  HD
> space on the notebook is at a premium and I don't want to waste it
> duplicating my music library.  The whole reason for having the file server
> is to prevent that from being needed.  I also find the playlist management
> features in iTunes to be very cryptic.  I use sub-directories on the server
> to manage the library, but iTunes thinks its smarter by dumping everything
> into one list.

There is an option in the iTunes preferences that indicates whether you
want iTunes to organise your music for you. If this is not enabled it won't
copy anything, it will just play it. iTunes puts everything into a
Library. You then create playlists of files in that Library. The smart
playlists add a degree of flexibility that can not be achived by a directory
structure. Furtermore the Library can be accessed by song, artist, album,
genre by clicking the Browse button. I think this would cover most common
manual directory structures that people set up.

> I have a lot of pictures from my digital camera stored on my PC and I don't
> have good image management software, so iPhoto seems like a useful tool.
> The problem is, there's no apparent way to import the images from files on
> the HD, the network, CDs, etc.  It only seems to accept pictures directly
> from a digital camera.  Even for future pictures, I don't want to import
> directly to iPhoto since that seems to make it more difficult to maintain my
> archive of raw images freshly dumped from the camera.

The Import... item in the file menu will import files from disc, network,
etc. in iPhoto.

> I'm sure there are good ways to do both these things and everything else I'm
> having problems with, but I just don't see it.

Sounds like you need to do some more exploring of the menu items and
preferences.

> How can I change the file associations?  For example to make avi files open
> in VLC instead of QuickTime.  Is there a way to set up hotkeys to launch
> applications, like <shift>-<alt>-M to launch mozilla?

Change associations: Click on an AVI file in the Finder. Choose Get Info
from the menu or type Command-I. I window will appear, click the triangle
next to Open with: choose VLC and click Change All...

Note: All of this assumes you are using Mac OS X 10.3. I have not followed
the rest of this thread so applogies if I missed anything. If you want any
more OS X help I'm happy to assist.

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2004\09\06@220042 by Wesley Moore

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Funny you should mention that. I will be ordering one of the kitsrus PIC
programmers shortly and am also looking at writing something to make it work
with OS X.

Wes

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 04:39:58PM -0700, Jason S wrote:
> {Original Message removed}

2004\09\06@222856 by Randy Glenn

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Well, we'll see how my classes this term affect / torture me, but if
it's not too horrible (or so horrible that I wind up not caring - with
half Commerce courses, it could swing either way), I do hope to get
something working for this. Probably written in Python, so that it'll
port easily to Linux.

Thankfully it uses an FTDI chip for the USB interfacing, so drivers
for MacOS (and Linux) are easily available.

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 02:00:37 +0000, Wesley Moore <wmoorespamKILLspamfreeshell.org> wrote:
> Funny you should mention that. I will be ordering one of the kitsrus PIC
> programmers shortly and am also looking at writing something to make it work
> with OS X.
>
> Wes
>
> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 04:39:58PM -0700, Jason S wrote:
> > {Original Message removed}

2004\09\06@225124 by Ben Hencke

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Others have answered your iTunes & iPhoto problems (both excellent programs).

I would like to offer that Picasa is a nice windows alternative to
iPhoto when you need something on the PC. It has some annoying
features that need to be disabled, but overall is very much like
iPhoto.

http://www.picasa.com/content/download.php?sourceid=pic&subid=more


Also, Final Cut Express got pretty cheap when they did the Adobe
Premeir trade in program a while back. You should consider upgrading
to that (even an older version) if you find that iMovie is lacking.

While OT, Does anyone know of any Mac OS X PIC sites/software? I
imagine the linux tools would be pretty easy to port to OSX, just
haven't heard of anything.

- Ben
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2004\09\06@234808 by William Chops Westfield

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On Sep 6, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Jason S wrote:

> The iMovie software doesn't seem very useful.  A pattern I've noticed
> at
> least in the bundled software is that it's very easy to do a very
> narrow
> range of things that Apple considers most common, and anything outside
> that
> range is painful.

I agree, in general principle.  The time I wanted to export a large,
highly
compressed quicktime movie plunged me into an unfriendly world of
strangely
named encoders and compressors and stuff...  However, in your specific
example:

> In iTunes, I can't import my CDs into mp3 format.  It wants to use its
> own
> proprietary format.

This is controlled the itunes->preferences->importing menu.  it
supports several
encoders, including standard mp3 and even .WAV.

> I have all my CDs ripped to mp3 in a directory on my file server.  
> When I
> try to play from there in iTunes, it quickly reads the whole file
> across the
> network, re-encodes it, and stores a local copy in proprietary format.
>  HD
> space on the notebook is at a premium and I don't want to waste it
> duplicating my music library.

Can't comment on this one.  I didn't have any trouble importing my OS9
MP3
library, made with musicmatch jukebox, and it seems to have left all the
songs in MP3 format.  iTunes DOES do some "sophisticated" digital rights
management in order to permit things like the itunes store.  That's a
whole
different debate...


> I have a lot of pictures from my digital camera stored on my PC and I
> don't
> have good image management software, so iPhoto seems like a useful
> tool.
> The problem is, there's no apparent way to import the images from
> files on
> the HD, the network, CDs, etc.

Sure there is.  See the "import" menu under "file", instead of the
import
button at the bottom of the screen.  It will happily scan your whole
disk
looking for things that seem to be images (beware: includes your
browser cache!)

The big problem seems to be that software authors seems to have decided
that if
they make the SW "intuitive" enough for some major subset of the
intended uses,
they no longer have to write an intelligible manual.  This is endemic,
across
all platforms (including, for instance, our own routers.  Someone
decided some
time ago that our manuals should have such and such format, and removed
all parts
that smacked of exposition, philosophy, or tutorial.  Sigh.)  It sucks.

I have "Mac OSX, the Missing Manual", and "MacOSX for unix geeks", both
of which
were somewhat helpful, but not all inclusive (and go obsolete all too
quickly.)
And who wants to spend $100+ on missing manuals every time the OS/tools
get
upgrades.  Sigh.  (OTOH, there's no shortage of authors churning out
books on
how to get the most out of SW that is otherwise poorly documented.)

Try to make your own projects better documented.  You'll find that it's
HARD.

BillW

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2004\09\07@011021 by Jason S

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From: "Randy Glenn" <.....randy.glennKILLspamspam.....gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:53 PM


> See comments below

Those solutions all worked.  Thank you for the information.  I figured it
could be done, it's just not very intuitive.

> Have you tried Drag and Drop? It worked fine for me. My only gripe
> with iPhoto is that it won't do hierarchial albums - I just came back
> from a trip to California, and would like to keep all the pictures
> under that heading, but the ones from Carlsbad seperate from the ones
> from Palm Springs. So a top-level "California Trip 2004" album with
> sub-albums for "Legoland," "Killer Pizza from Mars," "Beach," and
> "Desert," etc. would be ideal.

Drag and drop works, but then it seems the import button just make things
more complicated.  As Wesley Moore said, the import menu from the file menu
also works.  That seems to be particulairly bad design to have "import" from
the file menu a completely different function from "import" on the main
screen.

The lack of sub-albums seems like a crippling feature.  Does it at least
sort by album name so you could have "California Trip 2004 - Legoland" and
""California Trip 2004 - Beach"?  That's not as good, but at least it's does
the job if it works.

> Yeah, I can relate to that - it took me a while to get used to a lot
> of it. But I knew I'd switched over when I kept hitting F9 on my
> Windows machine at work, and Expose never kicked in :)

I found out about the Expose feature a few days ago, that is a great
feature.

> Don't know about hotkeys, but to change the file associations, find a
> file (like an AVI), bring up the Get Info window, and expand the Open
> With section. Choose your alternate application, and click on the
> "Change All" button.

This is one I spent a lot of time on looking in the finder and system
prefences menus.  That seems very counter-intuitive, especially since I
expected to see all the extensions in one place.  It's also bad that you
actually need a file with each extention to bring up the "Get Info" window
for and you have to go through the whole process for each file type instead
of getting to the place to make the changes and doing it all at once.

> I can relate to the cost thing - my 15" PB and iPod set me back quite
> a bit. Have you looked at The GIMP for photo editing?

I've used The GIMP on Linux.  It's pretty powerful but has a very steep
learning curve.  I tried to install it in windows a few weeks ago, but I
couldn't get past it needing GTK even though I read the docs on the gnuwin
site and installed GTK before I even tried installing The GIMP.

> -Randy Glenn
> Computer Eng. and Mgt. Year IV, McMaster University
> Chair, McMaster IEEE Student Branch

I went to UWaterloo.  We're practically neighbours (at least compared to the
geographic range covered by piclist :) )

Jason

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2004\09\07@011336 by Jason S

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Thanks for the extra input, you did pick up a few things Randy missed like
the File -> Import in iPhoto.

It is OS X 10.3.  I bought the PB new quite recently.  Just a little too
soon to get in on the "buy a powerbook, get an iPod for $70 promotion"..grrr

Jason

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:58 PM

> Note: All of this assumes you are using Mac OS X 10.3. I have not followed
> the rest of this thread so applogies if I missed anything. If you want any
> more OS X help I'm happy to assist.

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2004\09\07@015700 by Wesley Moore

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On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:15:50PM -0700, Jason S wrote:
> From: "Randy Glenn" <randy.glennspamspam_OUTgmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:53 PM
>
> This is one I spent a lot of time on looking in the finder and system
> prefences menus.  That seems very counter-intuitive, especially since I
> expected to see all the extensions in one place.  It's also bad that you
> actually need a file with each extention to bring up the "Get Info" window
> for and you have to go through the whole process for each file type instead
> of getting to the place to make the changes and doing it all at once.

It sounds like you're new to the Mac which is of course great. Not to
dispute your ideas of intuitivness (if there is such a thing) I just
thought I would mention that it sounds like you are expecting it to be
done the Windows way since you are probably used to this. The thing is
the Get Info window has been around in Mac OS since I think more or less
day one. This is the expected location for file attributes to be viewed
and changed, that's why it lives in there.

> I've used The GIMP on Linux.  It's pretty powerful but has a very steep
> learning curve.  I tried to install it in windows a few weeks ago, but I
> couldn't get past it needing GTK even though I read the docs on the gnuwin
> site and installed GTK before I even tried installing The GIMP.

As for Gimp in Mac OS X you may be pleasantly surprised to find that it
can be installed from a disk image like any other application. The official
Gimp website has more info: http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ As the page notes
you will needs Apple's X server "X11" installed to run it. If you don't
have it installed it is available on your install CDs.

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2004\09\07@032354 by Jason S

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From: "Wesley Moore" <KILLspamwmooreKILLspamspamfreeshell.org>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:56 PM


> It sounds like you're new to the Mac which is of course great. Not to
> dispute your ideas of intuitivness (if there is such a thing) I just
> thought I would mention that it sounds like you are expecting it to be
> done the Windows way since you are probably used to this. The thing is
> the Get Info window has been around in Mac OS since I think more or less
> day one. This is the expected location for file attributes to be viewed
> and changed, that's why it lives in there.

I am new to the Mac.  I started out with Apple during the Apple II
generation and switched to the PC when the original Mac came out.  This is
my first apple since.

> As for Gimp in Mac OS X you may be pleasantly surprised to find that it
> can be installed from a disk image like any other application. The
official
> Gimp website has more info: http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ As the page
notes
> you will needs Apple's X server "X11" installed to run it. If you don't
> have it installed it is available on your install CDs.

I just installed Gimp, but that brings up more questions.  I had to install
X11 which was a ~50 meg download from apple and the installer said it would
take 100 meg of disk space.  The X11 file it installed in the utilities
folder is 78k, so where did the 100 meg go, and what if I want to uninstall
it and get back that HD space?

Between Gimp and X11, I have close to 100 meg sitting on my desktop.  The
notebook has a combo drive, so I'd like to store it on CD.  Is there
something like UDF on the PC to let me drag files directly to the CD as I
want, take the CD out, and later read it or continue adding files to it?

The Gimp installer just opened with a 100 meg file I click on to run Gimp.
Does that mean it doesn't need to install and that file is the whole program
in a self-contained package?

It looks like I'm going to be busy for a while learning The Gimp :).

Do you have any suggestions to add the Mac to my KVM so I can use it from my
console?  I'll probably get more use out of it if I can use it with a proper
keyboard and mouse at home, but my KVM is PS/2.  I've looked at stores and
there's some nice looking 2-port unites with the switch molded into the
cables for a decent price, but I'd need at least a 4 port, in which case I'm
looking at at least $200, which isn't an option.  There's a few people on
ebay selling a "linxcel" 4-port for under $50 including shipping, but I've
never heard of the brand and I can't find any information about it.

Jason


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2004\09\07@035130 by Wesley Moore

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I managed to dig these up before:
http://www.klingler.net/pic.php
http://lesmuug.org/mtgnotes/200301/200301.html (down the page a bit)
http://www.math.niu.edu/~behr/Electro/pic.html
http://www.macrobotics.com/MacrocASM/MacrocASM.html

Wes

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 07:51:23PM -0700, Ben Hencke wrote:
> While OT, Does anyone know of any Mac OS X PIC sites/software? I
> imagine the linux tools would be pretty easy to port to OSX, just
> haven't heard of anything.
>
> - Ben

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2004\09\07@040418 by Wesley Moore

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On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 12:29:23AM -0700, Jason S wrote:
> From: "Wesley Moore" <spamBeGonewmoorespamBeGonespamfreeshell.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:56 PM
>
> I am new to the Mac.  I started out with Apple during the Apple II
> generation and switched to the PC when the original Mac came out.  This is
> my first apple since.

Welcome back.

> I just installed Gimp, but that brings up more questions.  I had to install
> X11 which was a ~50 meg download from apple and the installer said it would
> take 100 meg of disk space.  The X11 file it installed in the utilities
> folder is 78k, so where did the 100 meg go, and what if I want to uninstall
> it and get back that HD space?

X11 is a complete X server so there are bits an pieces here and there. The
bulk of it is in /usr/X11R6, which is 110Mb on my iBook. There is no
official way to unistall it unfortunately.

> Between Gimp and X11, I have close to 100 meg sitting on my desktop.  The
> notebook has a combo drive, so I'd like to store it on CD.  Is there
> something like UDF on the PC to let me drag files directly to the CD as I
> want, take the CD out, and later read it or continue adding files to it?

AFIK UDF is something OS X lacks. It can read UDF CDs produced by other OSs but
can't create them.

> The Gimp installer just opened with a 100 meg file I click on to run Gimp.
> Does that mean it doesn't need to install and that file is the whole program
> in a self-contained package?

Yes thats correct, it is a Mac OS X bundle with gimp and dependencies
(gtk, etc.).

> It looks like I'm going to be busy for a while learning The Gimp :).

It's not too bad, 2.0 is definitely a lot better than 1.3. The gimp website
has a lot of good docs and tutorials.

> Do you have any suggestions to add the Mac to my KVM so I can use it from my
> console?  I'll probably get more use out of it if I can use it with a proper
> keyboard and mouse at home, but my KVM is PS/2.  I've looked at stores and
> there's some nice looking 2-port unites with the switch molded into the
> cables for a decent price, but I'd need at least a 4 port, in which case I'm
> looking at at least $200, which isn't an option.  There's a few people on
> ebay selling a "linxcel" 4-port for under $50 including shipping, but I've
> never heard of the brand and I can't find any information about it.

Sorry can't help with the KVM. Never used one. You will definitely need one
that handles USB though I imagine since the Powerbook is obviously lacking
PS/2 ports.

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2004\09\07@055350 by Sean Alcorn

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On 7 Sep 2004, at 3:15 PM, Jason S wrote:

> Those solutions all worked.  Thank you for the information.  I figured
> it
> could be done, it's just not very intuitive.

Strange! I found it the day I downloaded the FIRST version of iTunes on
the day it was launched! The biggest decision was to decide which
format to use.

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2004\09\07@113632 by William Chops Westfield

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On Sep 7, 2004, at 1:04 AM, Wesley Moore wrote:

>
>> Between Gimp and X11, I have close to 100 meg sitting on my desktop.  
>> The
>> notebook has a combo drive, so I'd like to store it on CD.  Is there
>> something like UDF on the PC to let me drag files directly to the CD
>> as I
>> want, take the CD out, and later read it or continue adding files to
>> it?
>
> AFIK UDF is something OS X lacks. It can read UDF CDs produced by
> other OSs but
> can't create them.
>
However, the macosx finder supports drag-and-drop to the optical drive,
with
your "eject" function becoming the "burn."  Works for CD-R and DVD-R on
my
superdrive; I always assumed there was something more UDF-like for
CD-RW, but
I haven't tried it...

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2004\09\07@124557 by Marc Nicholas

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, William Chops Westfield wrote:

>> AFIK UDF is something OS X lacks. It can read UDF CDs produced by other
>> OSs but
>> can't create them.
> However, the macosx finder supports drag-and-drop to the optical drive, with
> your "eject" function becoming the "burn."  Works for CD-R and DVD-R on my
> superdrive; I always assumed there was something more UDF-like for CD-RW, but
<snip>

Tiger supports UDF burning, apparently. And so does Toast. FWIW.

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2004\09\07@133044 by Ben Hencke

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> I just installed Gimp, but that brings up more questions.  I had to install
> X11 which was a ~50 meg download from apple and the installer said it would
> take 100 meg of disk space.  The X11 file it installed in the utilities
> folder is 78k, so where did the 100 meg go, and what if I want to uninstall
> it and get back that HD space?

There are probably 100s of support files scattered around ;-)
This is true for most large unix/linux apps/systems


> Do you have any suggestions to add the Mac to my KVM so I can use it from my
> console?  I'll probably get more use out of it if I can use it with a proper
> keyboard and mouse at home, but my KVM is PS/2.  I've looked at stores and
> there's some nice looking 2-port unites with the switch molded into the
> cables for a decent price, but I'd need at least a 4 port, in which case I'm
> looking at at least $200, which isn't an option.  There's a few people on
> ebay selling a "linxcel" 4-port for under $50 including shipping, but I've
> never heard of the brand and I can't find any information about it.


I personally use a USB/VGA kvm I got from Microcenter for $11. The Mac
USB keyboard/mouse (any 2+ button USB mouse) works just fine under
Windows and Linux. "Command" becomes "Windows", "Option" becomes
"Alt", etc. With a USB KVM I can also share my laser printer, scanner,
etc.

If you prefer to use a PS/2 setup, there are adapters that will let
you convert them to USB on the Mac end of the PS/2 KVM. I imagine the
Windows key will map to the Command key just the same.

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2004\09\07@151549 by Jason S

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From: "Ben Hencke" <RemoveMEbrainstarspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:30 AM

> I personally use a USB/VGA kvm I got from Microcenter for $11. The Mac
> USB keyboard/mouse (any 2+ button USB mouse) works just fine under
> Windows and Linux. "Command" becomes "Windows", "Option" becomes
> "Alt", etc. With a USB KVM I can also share my laser printer, scanner,
> etc.

That sounds very good.  The cheapest I've seen is ~$40.

> If you prefer to use a PS/2 setup, there are adapters that will let
> you convert them to USB on the Mac end of the PS/2 KVM. I imagine the
> Windows key will map to the Command key just the same.

I would prefer to go with the USB KVM.  I already have a USB keyboard and
mouse that I've used on the Mac (so I know it works).

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2004\09\07@151955 by Jason S

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That's just a way for burning normal single session discs though. It doesn't
have any way to do a true drag and drop burn, which I find surprising.

Jason

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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:24 AM


> However, the macosx finder supports drag-and-drop to the optical drive,
> with
> your "eject" function becoming the "burn."  Works for CD-R and DVD-R on
> my
> superdrive; I always assumed there was something more UDF-like for
> CD-RW, but
> I haven't tried it...

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2004\09\07@152207 by Jason S

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Was that the version that automatically repartitioned and reformatted your
HD for you if you had more than 1 partition?  I never get the first version
of anything :).

Jason

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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:53 AM

> Strange! I found it the day I downloaded the FIRST version of iTunes on
> the day it was launched! The biggest decision was to decide which
> format to use.

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2004\09\07@155418 by Jason S

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From: "Wesley Moore" <RemoveMEwmooreEraseMEspamEraseMEfreeshell.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:04 AM

> Welcome back.

Thanks, it seems I have a lot of catching up to do.  Typing PR#6 from the
terminal window doesn't seem to much.

It's nice that Apple has relaxed their iron grip and allow their machines to
use industry standard memory, HDs, peripherals, etc.

Do you know of any way to get a composite video signal into the powerbook
(to use it as a TV)?  I asked at the apple store, and they wanted to sell me
a PVR for around $350.  Considering it does everything in software and uses
the computer's HD to store the video, that's a very high price.  As an
alternative, he suggested getting a digital camcorder with a video
passthrough.  At around $800, that's also not a good option.

There are a lot of USB TV tuners in the $50-150 range for PCs, but none that
I've found mention Mac support.  Do you know of any that do support the Mac?

> X11 is a complete X server so there are bits an pieces here and there. The
> bulk of it is in /usr/X11R6, which is 110Mb on my iBook. There is no
> official way to unistall it unfortunately.

Is deleting files enough if I could get them all or does the Mac have
something like the windows registry?  With windows there are always traces
left in the registry of everything you've ever done and that's what usually
does the system in when it gets to bloated.

> AFIK UDF is something OS X lacks. It can read UDF CDs produced by other
OSs but
> can't create them.

That's good enough for me for now since it's easy enough to move the files
across the network to the PC and burna UDF disc from there, but it's one
more place I can't get the PC out of the loop yet :).

> Yes thats correct, it is a Mac OS X bundle with gimp and dependencies
> (gtk, etc.).

That's pretty nice.  One of the things I hate about windows is that it has
so many files scattered everywhere for every app.  It is a lot nicer to have
everything self-contained.  It's well worth the extra HD space to have
multiple copies of the library files.

> It's not too bad, 2.0 is definitely a lot better than 1.3. The gimp
website
> has a lot of good docs and tutorials.

I can't find most of the controls.  The seems to be basic brushes for
drawing and that's about it.  I don't want to start asking for help here
since it's way off topic and I haven't spent much time with it or looked at
the docs and tutorials.  Just for playing around, I have a picture taken
against a blue backdrop.  I'm trying to replace the blue with transparent so
I can drop that picture into another background (basically a Chromakey
effect, but with a still picture).

Anyway, it's already clear that I won't get very far with the glide-point in
that app.  I'll have to use a mouse.

> Sorry can't help with the KVM. Never used one. You will definitely need
one
> that handles USB though I imagine since the Powerbook is obviously lacking
> PS/2 ports.

I've been surprised by how hard it is to find what I thought were standard
parts like a USB keyboard.  I went to a few stores looking for a bluetooth
keyboard and the only one I could find was the MS Optical Desktop for
bluetooth, which of course doesn't mention Mac support.  I decided to get
USB instead, and there were only 2 models with the rest being PS/2.

I'm having the same problem looking at USB KVM's.

I know Apple sells a bluetooth keyboard, but it looks like the clear
keyboard that comes with the iMac.  I've used that and it feels too small
for my hands, but it doesn't look any smaller than a normal keyboard.

I was planning on making a trek to the apple store to have a look at the new
iMac, I can always try out their bluetooth keyboard then.

Jason

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2004\09\07@155731 by hilip Stortz

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what irritates me is the lack of a "multi-session" format for dvd media,
with that much storage space it would be handy!  oh well, more code for
me to write eventually if no one else does (assuming the hardware can be
convinced to go along, or it becomes a major project..).  even with cd
media i occasionally used multiple sessions, particularly when using the
sneaker net.

William Chops Westfield wrote:
----
> However, the macosx finder supports drag-and-drop to the optical drive,
> with
> your "eject" function becoming the "burn."  Works for CD-R and DVD-R on
> my
> superdrive; I always assumed there was something more UDF-like for
> CD-RW, but
> I haven't tried it...
------

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didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a
Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
-- Martin Niemöller, 1892-1984 (German Lutheran Pastor), on the Nazi
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2004\09\07@162247 by Herbert Graf

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On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 15:59, Philip Stortz wrote:
> what irritates me is the lack of a "multi-session" format for dvd media,
> with that much storage space it would be handy!  oh well, more code for
> me to write eventually if no one else does (assuming the hardware can be
> convinced to go along, or it becomes a major project..).  even with cd
> media i occasionally used multiple sessions, particularly when using the
> sneaker net.

Try out DVD-RAM, 4.3GB floppy, no software support needed. TTYL

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2004\09\07@180143 by hilip Stortz

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for things like that, i always check ebay, and ask on the "swaplist" at
the lowendmac.com site.  i got 2 4 machine (5 port) kvm switches there
for $19 ea., cables can also be had at either place.  these were the
simple switch type kvm, building an electronic kvm for multiple monitors
and mixed pc/mac (adb and usb) kvm is on my rather long to do list,
if/when i build it i'll more than likely make a kit available.  
it'll let you use any monitor on any machine/video card (some of mine
have 2 video cards, some will have 3) so you can be fairly creative
(i.e., if using the machine with 3 video cards, you could use 1 or 2 of
3 monitors to watch what other machines are doing, and switch the
keyboard/mouse to another machine without switching monitors, i'd also
like to mix the sound from all the machines and have volume controls for
each and a master).  this will definitely use multiple microcontrollers
(i'll have a box that does the switching that's close to the machines,
and remote switch box(es) under each monitor and at the keyboards and
mice, i'll have a desk for software/surfing type stuff, and opposite a
bench for electronics with only 1 or 2 monitors).  of course right now
i'm still getting everything set up and still have the 2 working
machines on the bench.

by the way, if any one has one  of those old fixed frequency sync on
green monitors (i have several, one i bought and several that were free)
i have an excellent sync on green adapter for the mac, better than the
one from griffin technology and it's very simple/cheap (a nand gate, a
fet, a resistor, a cap, and 3 shotky diodes).

Jason S wrote:
--------
> Do you have any suggestions to add the Mac to my KVM so I can use it from my
> console?  I'll probably get more use out of it if I can use it with a proper
> keyboard and mouse at home, but my KVM is PS/2.  I've looked at stores and
> there's some nice looking 2-port unites with the switch molded into the
> cables for a decent price, but I'd need at least a 4 port, in which case I'm
> looking at at least $200, which isn't an option.  There's a few people on
> ebay selling a "linxcel" 4-port for under $50 including shipping, but I've
> never heard of the brand and I can't find any information about it.
-----------

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Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
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2004\09\26@033449 by Jason S

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I bought a JustCom JC-102CUA 2-port USB KVM.  It uses a double scroll-lock
press to swap between the two machines.

Going from the PC to Mac works perfectly, but trying to go from Mac to PC
doesn't do anything.

I'm been searching the web trying to find a solution.  It sounds like the
Mac has a problem with the scroll lock.  I've read suggestions to press
ctrl-F14 (my PB only goes to F12), and press esc-s or esc-y (which acts like
I just pressed s or y).

Any ideas what's causing the problems?

I also found that F9 to F11 (to help navigate the desktop) don't work on the
external keyboard.

Jason

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Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:34 AM


> for things like that, i always check ebay, and ask on the "swaplist" at
> the lowendmac.com site.  i got 2 4 machine (5 port) kvm switches there
> for $19 ea., cables can also be had at either place.  these were the
> simple switch type kvm, building an electronic kvm for multiple monitors
> and mixed pc/mac (adb and usb) kvm is on my rather long to do list,
> if/when i build it i'll more than likely make a kit available.


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