Searching \ for '[OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy a' in subject line. ()
Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure! Help us get a faster server
FAQ page: www.piclist.com/techref/index.htm?key=hawking+says+black
Search entire site for: 'Hawking now says black holes don't destroy a'.

Exact match. Not showing close matches.
PICList Thread
'[OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy a'
2004\07\15@104153 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
[OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy all information


Good news for worm hole travellers :-)

   http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996151

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic:
[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads


'[OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy a'
2004\08\22@134753 by hilip Stortz
picon face
actually, i believe that it was theory a decade ago.  i know i heard
previously that black holes in fact do send some information/energy back
out, though it's probably a very small fraction.  as far as the state of
the matter/energy that hasn't left it's hard to say, but i'd think that
sending energy/matter out would suggest that things are still ordered
inside the black hole but just can't be easily observed.

even more interesting, all galaxies have a large black hole in the
center, the bigger the galaxy the bigger the black hole apparently.  the
question now is are black holes some how necessary for the formation of galaxies?

space is an odd place, and getting more odd the more we study it.  now
in addition to "dark matter" there appears to also be "dark energy"
which is spread uniformly and doesn't cluster around stars or galaxies!
cosmology is a fine example of how much we have left to learn,
considering the vast majority of matter appears to be dark matter and
the only thing we know about dark matter is that it seems to exist!  not
to mention the new question of what dark energy is and why.

science is still in it's infancy in most fields, despite what some would
have you believe.  even with our best instruments we are still deaf and
blind in terms of being aware of "reality" and the universe.  we don't
know jack!

Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> [OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy all information
>
> Good news for worm hole travellers :-)
--------
--
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm>  proof that
the U.S. media is now state controlled!  Ask your' local tv station why
the hell they aren't airing the news any more!  Our system of government
requires an informed public, with their eyes open.

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email spam_OUTlistservTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\08\22@152811 by Randy Abernathy

picon face
In a message dated 8/22/2004 1:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
.....madscientist.at.largeKILLspamspam@spam@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

even  with our best instruments we are still deaf and
blind in terms of being  aware of "reality" and the universe.  we don't
know  jack!

Russell McMahon wrote:

So True



Randy  Abernathy
4626 Old Stilesboro Road NW
Acworth, GA 30101-4066
Phone /  Fax: 770-974-5295
Mobile: 678-772-4113
E-mail:  cnc002spamKILLspamaol.com

I furnish technical support, repair, and other  related services for your
industrial woodworking machinery. My background as  Senior Service Engineer for
the SCMI Group for nearly fifteen years with factory  training, combines with
my extensive background in electronics, mechanics,  pneumatics, electrical and
CNC machinery to offer you needed support for your  machinery.

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email .....listservKILLspamspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\08\22@165812 by Russell McMahon

face
flavicon
face
> even  with our best instruments we are still deaf and
> blind in terms of being  aware of "reality" and the universe.  we don't
> know  jack!
>
> Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> So True

Shades of non causality. I find replies from me which I haven't even written
yet :-).
Actually, it was Phil (dark matter or not).
Not that it matters, as I agree in principle with the sentiment.
FWIW (not much) I actually said:

> [OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy all information
> Good news for worm hole travellers :-)

   RM

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email EraseMElistservspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\08\22@182814 by Dave VanHorn

flavicon
face
>
>> [OT:] Hawking now says black holes don't destroy all information
>> Good news for worm hole travellers :-)

This just completely hoses my plans for galactic domination...

--
http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us!
email listservspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2004\08\23@143209 by dr. Imre Bartfai

flavicon
face
Hi,

what does it mean (a VERY primitive approach)?

IMHO every information could be described as a finite sequence of bits.
Destroying this would mean to increase the entropy to the highest possible
maximum (e. g. by mean to separate all 0-s and 1-s). Not destroy would
mean for me that subsequences of this bit sequence may remain intact or
only some bits of the would be disturbed. It is like a document shredder:
the more the distance between knives, the bigger the chunk of information
remains intact. However, I'm afraid, if the context is not known - e. g.
you does not know the language and the coding system - then there is no
chance the regain the real information. So for me Hawking's statement is
rather of particular importance.

I imagine a black hole really like a big shredder. Maybe I am wrong. But I
do not want to meet such a beast in this life. Deterioration of any kind
is nothing other than increase of entropy. It is a hard job (e. g.
learning) to decrease it.

Imre


On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Russell McMahon wrote:

{Quote hidden}

--
http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList
KILLspampiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspamspammitvma.mit.edu

More... (looser matching)
- Last day of these posts
- In 2004 , 2005 only
- Today
- New search...