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1997\10\09@015827 by William Chops Westfield

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I was surprised to see such a push for Windows CE at the ESC.  Is WINCE
really an embedded operating system?  I thought it was a small personal
computer operating system, which is an entirely different thing, at least
to me...

BillW

1997\10\09@023245 by Andrew Warren

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William Chops Westfield <spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> I was surprised to see such a push for Windows CE at the ESC.  Is
> WINCE really an embedded operating system?  I thought it was a small
> personal computer operating system, which is an entirely different
> thing, at least to me...

Bill:

As far as I can tell, Windows CE is just a way for Microsoft to scare
people away from Embedded Java until Gates, Ballmer, and Myhrvold can
figure out what the embedded-systems world is all about and give us
what we REALLY want.

Whether you call Win-CE (or Embedded Java) an "embedded operating
system", "real-time operating system", or "small personal computer
operating system" is unimportant... The important thing is that Sun
and Microsoft will be battling each other in a market that's been
stagnating for a while, so good things are bound to come from the
competition.

Not that it matters to ME, of course... I write for half-K PICs
with 25 bytes of RAM.

-Andy

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1997\10\09@095023 by Ian Cameron

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Andrew Warren wrote:

> Not that it matters to ME, of course... I write for half-K PICs
> with 25 bytes of RAM.

Yep, no chance of Microsoft encroaching on your pitch, there's
definitely not enough RAM/ROM in those :-]

Sorry, I just couldn't resist it...

Cheers, Ian.

1997\10\10@070821 by Mike Smith

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Warren <fastfwdspamKILLspamIX.NETCOM.COM>
To: .....PICLISTKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU <EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Thursday, 9 October 1997 16:03
Subject: Re: [OT, somewhat] Windows CE...


William Chops Westfield <PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

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OTOH, I haven't seen anything from embedded java that I really want.  Java
looks nice, but not nice enough to switch from c++.  What embedded java h/w
is available in the characteristics WinCE h/w must have?
I *can* see attractions in a modicum of code transportability between
Win95 -> CE
I *can't* see much of this rather vapourous java, other than implementations
running on existing non-native java platforms.
Am I missing the point?

>Whether you call Win-CE (or Embedded Java) an "embedded operating
>system", "real-time operating system", or "small personal computer
>operating system" is unimportant... The important thing is that Sun

Yes, thats just playing with aliases <g>

>and Microsoft will be battling each other in a market that's been
>stagnating for a while, so good things are bound to come from the
>competition.

MS are probably happy - it gives them someone to point to when the
anti-trust suits get too close...

>Not that it matters to ME, of course... I write for half-K PICs
>with 25 bytes of RAM.

Where do you want to go today - well, a PIC without segmentation would be
nice, for a start.

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