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1999\02\17@194123 by Bob Drzyzgula

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Sent to me by a co-worker:

http://www.sanyousa.com/products/home_appliance/small_appliance/bs-1.html

Next we'll be having Y2K compliant fill dirt...

--Bob

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1999\02\17@205441 by Sean Breheny

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At 07:39 PM 2/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Sent to me by a co-worker:
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>http://www.sanyousa.com/products/home_appliance/small_appliance/bs-1.html
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>Next we'll be having Y2K compliant fill dirt...
>

Ya never know! After all, they still haven't prooven that protons don't
decay,and I wouldn't like to see what might happen to a piece of HDPE come
Jan. 1,2000 if it lacked its protons. ;-)

Sean

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1999\02\19@222824 by Mark A Moss

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This evening, I saw an antenna tuner built by another ham.  Just as a
joke, he promanantly displayed Y2K compliant on the antenna tuner.  (For
those of you who don't know, all an antenna tuner is a tunable LC networt
used to transform impedances at high power levels, in this case 1KW.)

Mark Moss
Amateur Radio Operator, Technician, and General Tinkerer
Kalamazoo,  MI   U.S.A.


On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:39:32 -0500 Bob Drzyzgula <bobspamKILLspamdrzyzgula.org>
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1999\02\20@022447 by Wagner Lipnharski

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This is turning to be a complete joke, ok, lets worry about probably
some computers that will have problems to provide some payments, or
to accept payments, or that they will have problems to consider that
you are alive since the year 00 is before your birth year, along
with some other programs and year checking or timed programs that
will stop to work, but let's be sane guys, there are people storing
water and food!!!  I believe the bigger problem will be the people
crazyness about Y2K, not the computer issue.  I have friends that
come to me to ask what I think, if they need to store fuel like some
big international banks storing oil for their power generators...

It is a surprise to me, that with all the information available,
people think that a nuclear power plant and power distribution will
stop for months, just because some cobol program that calculate
the interest rate based on year in 2 digits will do some mistakes...

I wish not, but it will be people doing crazy things, like taking
their life away because the world will end up.  This is the problem.

      "Long Live to the Antenna Guy, he will, he is a joker"

Wagner.

Mark A Moss wrote:
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> This evening, I saw an antenna tuner built by another ham.  Just as a
> joke, he promanantly displayed Y2K compliant on the antenna tuner.  (For
> those of you who don't know, all an antenna tuner is a tunable LC networt
> used to transform impedances at high power levels, in this case 1KW.)
>
> Mark Moss
> Amateur Radio Operator, Technician, and General Tinkerer
> Kalamazoo,  MI   U.S.A.

1999\02\20@042509 by Ray Gardiner

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>Wagner Lipnharski wrote:-
>This is turning to be a complete joke, ok, lets worry about probably
>some computers that will have problems to provide some payments, or
>to accept payments, or that they will have problems to consider that
>you are alive since the year 00 is before your birth year, along
>with some other programs and year checking or timed programs that
>will stop to work, but let's be sane guys, there are people storing
>water and food!!!  I believe the bigger problem will be the people
>crazyness about Y2K, not the computer issue.  I have friends that
>come to me to ask what I think, if they need to store fuel like some
>big international banks storing oil for their power generators...
>
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I agree Wagner, this whole thing is getting out of hand, Examples of YK
compliance on non-electronic products are just plain silly.

The web site below s running a challenge to find just ONE example of
a non Y2K embedded system failing. So far no-one has ome up with any.

http://www.borderlands.com/y2k/Challengeupdate.htm

When my friends and relatives ask me about their microwave/vcr etc.
I just answer as follows.

1. Did you have set the date when you first purchased the device?

If not then you have nothing to worry about.

Suprising how many people think that their microwave needs to know the
date, half the time our microwave at home hasen't even got the clock
set properly!...



Ray Gardiner EraseMErayspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuThdc.com.au

1999\02\20@054122 by Mark Willis

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I figure the Y2K thing out this way - while in college, a friend in
Business school told me that (at that time) the average Corporate Exec
is jobless for an average of 2 years, twice in their career (something
like that - it's been years, but the numbers were sorta shockingly
huge.)

 So, MY personal take is that it's a GOOD idea (particularly if you
chose to bring kids into this world, but even without!) to be as
self-sufficient as you CAN, to a point;  granted we can never really be
completely self-sufficient, but when you combine the facts:

 You can be laid off without warning, and it can take a while to get
another job.

 Sudden storms could keep you from getting to the store (As could a
broken vehicle, for some of us at least.)

 You could have a child, as did one friend, who requires extensive
medical intervention in order to save their life - happens all too
often.  He spent all his savings, but he now has a healthy, happy
daughter.

 You could get hurt, sick, or disabled without warning (Having been in
a Search and Rescue group, and having seen too many searches where
someone disappeared without a trace - and whose life insurance won't pay
for something like 7 years after they disappear, until they're assumed
dead, that's not a nice thing to do to one's wife & family, folks.  Or -
you can have a loved one get hurt/disabled so you are "stuck" caring for
a disabled loved one, MY burden, by choice - that can sure make it hard
to work those 74 hour work weeks!)

 I live in Seattle (Boeing "crashes" on occasion, like all Aerospace
companies, I remember the "will the last person leaving Seattle, please
turn out the lights" signs, from years ago.)

 Natural disasters & strikes & other Emergencies happen, too - the
local grocery store I have usually been going to, cannot even without a
natural disaster, keep Milk or some other foods completely reliably on
their shelves.  (Really bugs me, too.)  In case of a major natural
disaster, major terrorism, or a state-wide trucking strike, you can
basically BET that they'll run out of goodies - I'm expecting they'll
run out sporadically this coming November and December, from people
getting nervous.  (Heck, they ran out somewhat THIS year during the
holidays, on some items - higher demand than supply.  If people are
getting antsy, I expect it'll be worse!)

 Some people are going to get nervous, and stock up at the last minute
- if the store you go to is out of food, what do you eat?

 Go talk to your local Red Cross and/or Emergency Services people - ask
them what THEY suggest (They'll be there to help is there's a disaster -
and they'll tell you to your face what THEY would like to see everyone
do.  They hand out paperwork with suggested lists, too.)

 If everyone in the USA had a 1 month supply of something reasonable to
eat (Something you normally eat - rotate it and make it a habit, just
stock more than usual) - and a natural disaster occurs, but the Red
Cross and Emergency Services people could focus all their energy on
rescuing people who're injured or trapped - spending no resources in
those critical first days, on feeding anyone, as everyone's handled! -
it would save a number of lives, folks.  I'd suggest stockpiling an
extra month's medications, too, as your local pharmacy is not guaranteed
to be open in case of a disaster.

 If Joe Engineer's company is bought out by another company & they lay
him off, but he has a month's supply of food, he can know his babies
will eat - and spend the income he has coming in, on the house payment
and on finding another job - and the experience would be a LOT less
stressful.

 If Jacine, Engineering Manager, quits her job to get away from stupid
company politics, she could easier wait for the RIGHT job she wants,
instead of taking the first job offer that pops up, because her bank
account's empty & the bank's talking reposessing her house...

 If your family in another state gets their house wiped out by a flood,
and you can easily feed them for a month from your reserves, doesn't it
make it easier to help them recover from that disaster?

 Who cares if the CAUSE of the natural disaster, is the Y2K problem?  I
can go show you places here in WA state where people have had their
houses flooded, mudslided, etc. etc. and you all have seen it happen
there as well.  Y2K is a MAYBE, natural disasters (Earthquake,
hurricane, twister, flood) and personal disasters - THOSE, we can all be
darn sure we're going to have inflicted upon us, to me it's the same
logic as wearing safety goggles (A little inconvenience can make a lot
better future.)

 Myself, I've had 2 power failures here this year so far, (Backhoe cut
a power cable - no power for 8 hours, and wind-blown tree - no power for
5-6 hours.)  I'm getting a generator, not for Y2K, but so I don't have
to sit in the dark, unable to get on the Internet, next time.  If I
don't use the generator here, I'll use it camping, to recharge Robin's
power wheelchair <G>

 Definitely some people go bonkers on the subject - of Y2K or anything
else (None of us, wax eloquent over the advantages of PICs over 7400
series logic <EG>)  Take the truth that's there, and refuse to be
baffled with the bullshit, same as when reading any sales literature <G>

 Mark

Wagner Lipnharski wrote:
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1999\02\20@063628 by walter

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> The web site is running a challenge to find just ONE example of
> a non Y2K embedded system failing. So far no-one has ome up with any.

Some of the Y2K dates have already passed has anyone heard of
a real problem yet from those dates.

Walter Banks

1999\02\20@143633 by Heinz Czychun

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Hi Mark,

At 2:40 AM 2/20/99, Mark Willis wrote:
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>  Myself, I've had 2 power failures here this year so far, (Backhoe cut
>a power cable - no power for 8 hours, and wind-blown tree - no power for
>5-6 hours.)  I'm getting a generator, not for Y2K, but so I don't have
>to sit in the dark, unable to get on the Internet, next time.

Or if you can wait, as a big hydro (electric utility) mucky-muck here
suggested, wait 'til after 2000, and buy one in the spring/summer yard
sales.

>If I don't use the generator here, I'll use it camping, to recharge Robin's
>power wheelchair <G>
>

1999\02\20@231312 by Mark Willis

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Heinz Czychun wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> At 2:40 AM 2/20/99, Mark Willis wrote:
> <big snip>
>
> >  Myself, I've had 2 power failures here this year so far, (Backhoe cut
> >a power cable - no power for 8 hours, and wind-blown tree - no power for
> >5-6 hours.)  I'm getting a generator, not for Y2K, but so I don't have
> >to sit in the dark, unable to get on the Internet, next time.
>
> Or if you can wait, as a big hydro (electric utility) mucky-muck here
> suggested, wait 'til after 2000, and buy one in the spring/summer yard
> sales.
>
> >If I don't use the generator here, I'll use it camping, to recharge Robin's
> >power wheelchair <G>
> >

 Definitely a good idea - BUT - I have to point out something I feel
you've perhaps overlooked here.  Don't want to be redundant, BUT:

 I can guess that you've never worn Birkenstocks, while living & while
out camping, in a long-term relationship with a stubborn woman who has a
power wheelchair - and who knows how to AIM, er, drive, it <G>

 Lots of possibility for crunched toes (I still swear her older manual
tried to eat my left little toe, once <G>  Had me hobbling for months.)
And her power chair is about the fastest electric wheelchair I've ever
seen (Wheel-spinning startups, Fast run type speeds, 15 miles or so
range.  I cannot outrun THAT, all day.  I HATE being "Benched" all day,
ya know?)  Some day I may get into those control electronics and install
a wireless remote safety switch, then I can get away with most anything
<VBEG>

 Robin's a camping FIEND, we first met on a camping trip (I was her
ride), while I could wait for a generator, her chair cannot wait...  And
don't suggest solar to her, she likes to run nature trails during the
day <G>  Hard for her to drive, with ~ 120 square feet of solar array
deployed!

 I'm thinking of buying a backup or larger generator in March 2000,
indeed <G>

 Mark

1999\02\21@140108 by Mark A Moss

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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:40:03 -0800 Mark Willis <mwillisspamspam_OUTNWLINK.COM>
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>  Natural disasters & strikes & other Emergencies happen, too - the
>local grocery store I have usually been going to, cannot even without
>a natural disaster, keep Milk or some other foods completely reliably
>on their shelves.  (Really bugs me, too.)  In case of a major natural
>disaster, major terrorism, or a state-wide trucking strike, you can
>basically BET that they'll run out of goodies - I'm expecting they'll
>run out sporadically this coming November and December, from people
>getting nervous.  (Heck, they ran out somewhat THIS year during the
>holidays, on some items - higher demand than supply.  If people are
>getting antsy, I expect it'll be worse!)

BTW, the local grocery chain here tries to keep only about a 1 day supply
of most items in each stores warehouse. Each evening, the warehouse space
was overflowing, and by morning, it would be nearly empty.  This means
that if the trucks stop coming, they will have empty shelves within 2
days. (1 day on the shelves, 1 day in the back room.).

Mark Moss
Amateur Radio Operator, Technician, and General Tinkerer (and former
grocery store employee; yuck!)
Kalamazoo,  MI   U.S.A.

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1999\02\21@141359 by paulb

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Mark A Moss wrote:

> BTW, the local grocery chain here tries to keep only about a 1 day
> supply of most items in each stores warehouse.  Each evening, the
> warehouse space was overflowing, and by morning, it would be nearly
> empty.

 Yeah.  Now, when a hospital starts to use this smart management
approach, things get hairy! ;-)
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       Paul B.

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