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'[EE] XP PRO - Is hard drive going bad??'
2007\09\27@084753 by Carl Denk

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I have an Intel D845WN motherboard with Pentium 4, and a Western Digital
WD800BB-75DKA0 80GB hardrive master running XP PRO SP2. On power up, I
frequently get the Intel opening screen, and the nothing but a blank
(dark grey raster scan) screen. Most of the time pushing the reset
button results in a normal boot into windows. The motherboard setup
harddrive pre-delay was a low number, but now is set to around 15
seconds which seemed to help. Does this sound like a harddrive problem
with reading  the boot sector, and time to buy a new drive? Is there a
boot log somewhere?

2007\09\27@104055 by John Chung

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This is now I would detect the problem. Use a bootable
Linux Live CD like knoppix. If it boots up immediately
than it is the HD. From what I can tell it is the mobo
instead... Anyway just use the Linux Live CD to rule
out that the mobo is not working well.

John


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2007\09\27@111509 by Carl Denk

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Excuse, not knowing, what's "mobo". Is ther something special about the
Linux Live CD, or will almost any bootable floppy or CD do the same,
just to get it away from the hard drive boot?  Will try this later, got
to drive around town at the moment. :)

Thanks again. :)

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2007\09\27@112325 by PAUL James

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Motherboard


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Excuse, not knowing, what's "mobo". Is ther something special about the
Linux Live CD, or will almost any bootable floppy or CD do the same,
just to get it away from the hard drive boot?  Will try this later, got
to drive around town at the moment. :)

Thanks again. :)

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2007\09\27@113904 by Bob Blick

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Sounds more like your power supply is going bad, or
else the voltage converter capacitors on the
motherboard.

Cheers,

Bob

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2007\09\27@114311 by Hans Ruopp

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IMO it's a power supply problem.

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2007\09\27@142837 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 08:47 -0400, Carl Denk wrote:
> I have an Intel D845WN motherboard with Pentium 4, and a Western Digital
> WD800BB-75DKA0 80GB hardrive master running XP PRO SP2. On power up, I
> frequently get the Intel opening screen, and the nothing but a blank
> (dark grey raster scan) screen. Most of the time pushing the reset
> button results in a normal boot into windows. The motherboard setup
> harddrive pre-delay was a low number, but now is set to around 15
> seconds which seemed to help. Does this sound like a harddrive problem
> with reading  the boot sector, and time to buy a new drive? Is there a
> boot log somewhere?

Could be a hard drive issue, I have seen them fail like this.

That said, it sounds more like a power supply issue to me. Try swapping
the power supply and see if the problem disappears. TTYL

2007\09\27@170021 by Richard Prosser

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It would pay to check the power supply caps on the motherboard. If
there is _any_ sign of swelling or internal pressure then replace them
immediately.

I didn't & ended up having to replace the motherboard & ram when it
got to a certain point.

Background.
There is a failure mode in the electros that causes the ESR to
increase. This increases the ripple on the low voltage lines feeding
the ram & cpu etc. Once the ripple gets too large, things stop
working. If the peak voltage is too large, this can be permanent.
The cause of the problem in the past has been attributed to low cost
caps using an incorrect formulation and is supposed to have been fixed
by the major manufacturers concerned. But there are a large number of
manufacturers out there and motherboards are largely sold on price.

RP

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2007\09\28@090941 by Carl Denk

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Interesting this morning: Intel motherboard screen, then the XP asking
if I want to start normally from previous  blank screen (enter for
normal), then XP opening screen (with there activity crawl center
screen), and then the blank screen. No response from CTL-ALT-DEL. Hit
reset, got the want to start normally, getting the "starting windows"
and XP came up.

If it's PSU, or motherboard, then would I not get the Intel opening
screen and just hang with nothing? Once windows is up, the machine is
normal for the rest of the day. Could be an intermittent anywhere in
hardware with windows trying to load hardware ID to load drivers and
getting stuck I'm thinking is another possibility and would have to
strip boards out to isoloate.  ~:

Downloaded the Koppix yesterday (took hours on my DSL), will try burning
CD and going that route. Also have dug out the old PSU and might get to
installing that also (one at a time). Will keep posted.

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2007\09\28@152442 by Robert Rolf

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As I said in my previous post, I had EXACTLY the same symptoms as you have,
and changing out the PSU fixed the problem, permanently.

The issue is 'power on reset' with hash on the power line. Some chip, either on the
MB or the hard drive, does not like being reset at 24 kHz, as the Power OK line
comes up.

And in the few minutes of running, parts warm up and things change.

Proof is simple. Do a cold start, after hours off. You'll see you problem.
After running for an hour, turn off, wait about 30 seconds, to get voltages
back to near cold conditions, then power up. You'll probably find it starts OK.

Until I got around to changing the PSU, I just held the reset button for 10
seconds right after power up, and the system would start reliably.
It doesn't take long for the CPU to heat up.

R

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2007\09\29@084045 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 9/27/07, Carl Denk <TakeThisOuTcdenkEraseMEspamspam_OUTalltel.net> wrote:
> I have an Intel D845WN motherboard with Pentium 4, and a Western Digital
> WD800BB-75DKA0 80GB hardrive master running XP PRO SP2. On power up, I
> frequently get the Intel opening screen, and the nothing but a blank
> (dark grey raster scan) screen. Most of the time pushing the reset
> button results in a normal boot into windows. The motherboard setup
> harddrive pre-delay was a low number, but now is set to around 15
> seconds which seemed to help. Does this sound like a harddrive problem
> with reading  the boot sector, and time to buy a new drive? Is there a
> boot log somewhere?

I had similar problems with the two desktop computers at home, both
with ATI AGP graphics card (one is 9200SE on a NForce 2 chipsets
and the other is 9800SE on a NForce 3 chipsets).  One computer will
start and then the harddisk red LED keeps flashing but no screen output.
It turns out that the fan on graphics card is dying. The other computer
will boot normally but sometimes Windows/Linux will hang. I found out
the problem to be the copper cooler for the graphics ram chips. The
heat conduction glue is drying and being cheap they do not use
screws to secure the copper coolers.

In your case, I will suspect that the system RAM DIMMs are kind
of loose or the graphics card is loose. Or problems with the fans
(CPU fan, north bridge/south brigde fan, graphics card fan).

The other possibility is the fault on the power supply, especially the
5V system back up power.

Xiaofan

2007\09\29@101543 by Carl Denk

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The machine does have a ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SERIES AGP video card. I
Did get Knoppix burned to a CD, and it has come up normally 5 times
including one from overnight down cold start, where on next try XP hung
between the opening and starting up screens twice and came up normally
third time. Booting off the 1.44 floppy was unsuccessful, but that drive
hasn't been used for quite a while, will swap the drive and try to run
Western Digital diagnostics. I'm not eliminating any of the suggestions
yet, but moving the mother and daughter boards to lower priority, and
for the moment going to work on the harddrive, and possibly XP for a
defective file. With things normal eliminating the hard drive, and the
Intel opening screen and Knoppix coming up quickly is saying something I
think.

Thanks for the help, I'm still listening for thoughts. :)

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2007\09\30@074655 by John Chung

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If Knoppix boots correctly all the time, I would
narrow down the problem to the HD. It looks like the
system "file" maybe corrupted *as you have pointed
out, and I did SEE this before*.... Best bet would be
to reformat the HD  and run a full HD check through
the manufacturers utility disk.

John


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2007\09\30@084118 by Carl Denk

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Belarc advisory reports the drive a healthy, but I don't give that a lot
of credibility. That's only a 80 GB drive, if I'm going to go through
the effort of reformatting, reloading an operating system (Would prefer
Linux, but haven't got comfortable with running windows applications
under Linux yet, including an Autocad look a like - Intellicad) and
reloading all the applications, I'll pick up a bigger hard drive. Then
at my convince reformat and use the old drive as the slave. Was hoping
to get Linux doing what I need, and just get rid of Windows. Actually
wish Gary Kildall was still around with his GUI. It's funny how his DOS
is still around (now Caldera). :(

Thanks for the comments. :)

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2007\09\30@093916 by Morgan Olsson

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Den 2007-09-30 14:41:20 skrev Carl Denk <RemoveMEcdenkTakeThisOuTspamspamalltel.net>:

> Would prefer Linux,
> but haven't got comfortable with running windows applications
> under Linux yet

I have never gotten comfortable running MS-Windows-applications in any OS...

You could install Linux, and then run a PC-emulator,
in which you install Windows like you would in a real PC.
The apps will run with just a tiny speed penalty, as they will mostly run directly on the real CPU.
The "C:" will be a large file, easy to backup and clone.
I have one file with the current project with MPLAB etc, and one with Omron PLC programmer, and one for my old bookkeeping...
You can run several virtual machines concurrently.
Depending on the emulator you have various methods to reach the Host filesystem; LAN is probably easiest.
I use Parallels, others use VmWare, and recent Linux versions have virtualisation built-in.

So you can have the real MS-windows system running with applications on one desktop, and quiclky swith to and from Linux programs on other desktops with two keystrokes.  And sharing folders.

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2007\09\30@095822 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 9/30/07, Carl Denk <EraseMEcdenkspamspamspamBeGonealltel.net> wrote:
> Belarc advisory reports the drive a healthy, but I don't give that a lot
> of credibility. That's only a 80 GB drive, if I'm going to go through
> the effort of reformatting, reloading an operating system (Would prefer
> Linux, but haven't got comfortable with running windows applications
> under Linux yet, including an Autocad look a like - Intellicad) and
> reloading all the applications, I'll pick up a bigger hard drive. Then
> at my convince reformat and use the old drive as the slave. Was hoping
> to get Linux doing what I need, and just get rid of Windows. Actually
> wish Gary Kildall was still around with his GUI. It's funny how his DOS
> is still around (now Caldera). :(
>

Windows XP Pro SP2 is quite ok. It is not easy to ditch Windows and
go for pure Linux for MCU development and CAD. I think Dual Boot is
a good choice. Or you can use Linux as the main OS and then
use Vmware (or other tools) to install Windows as a guest OS.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2007\09\30@112609 by Dr Skip

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Is anyone here using the native Linux virtualization for XPsp2? I thought you
needed VM worksation (pay for) to set up a VMware bit, then run with the free
player. I've not seen anyone set up their XP system and share it, only Linux
variants... ;)

If the native one does work well, can someone briefly go over the steps
involved in going from a working Linux (Ubuntu seems to be the most popular) to
getting an Win2k (preferred over XP, or use XP for example) system up under it?
Is it rock solid?

Thanks,
Skip


Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> On 9/30/07, Carl Denk <RemoveMEcdenkKILLspamspamalltel.net> wrote:
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> Windows XP Pro SP2 is quite ok. It is not easy to ditch Windows and
> go for pure Linux for MCU development and CAD. I think Dual Boot is
> a good choice. Or you can use Linux as the main OS and then
> use Vmware (or other tools) to install Windows as a guest OS.
>
> Regards,
> Xiaofan

2007\09\30@121936 by Carl Denk

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This is basically what i want to do, but want to the experimenting and
development necessary to be comfortable on another machine where if
something gets messed up, I don't have any real data on it. Was hoping
to put off this work until the weather turns rainy then snow in the next
2 months.

Morgan Olsson wrote:
> So you can have the real MS-windows system running with applications on one desktop, and quiclky swith to and from Linux programs on other desktops with two keystrokes.  And sharing folders.
>
>  

2007\09\30@145541 by Herbert Graf

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On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 11:26 -0400, Dr Skip wrote:
> Is anyone here using the native Linux virtualization for XPsp2? I thought you
> needed VM worksation (pay for) to set up a VMware bit, then run with the free
> player. I've not seen anyone set up their XP system and share it, only Linux
> variants... ;)

The free version pretty much supports any major OS running in any other
major OS.

> If the native one does work well, can someone briefly go over the steps
> involved in going from a working Linux (Ubuntu seems to be the most popular) to
> getting an Win2k (preferred over XP, or use XP for example) system up under it?

I'm not 100% certain what you want to do. The "steps" are very simple,
basically you install VMware on you host OS, start up vmware, and
install the client OS like you would on a real system. It's very simple.

> Is it rock solid?

In my experience mostly yes. There is the odd USB device I've had
trouble with, but on the whole it's pretty much the same as running the
client OS native. TTYL


'[EE] XP PRO - Is hard drive going bad??'
2007\10\04@082828 by Carl Denk
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Just to bring up to date: Ran "sfc /scannow", several days ago. No
problems booting since, and the boots seem quicker. Only been a few cold
startups so far, but there seems to be improvement. Sorry to use the
bandwidth for a Windows problem that should have tried first. Still plan
to swap out that drive for a bigger one since I'll be getting into
scanning 1000 35mm. slides. Planning to add Unbuntu Linux at that time
with Wine or VM or someway to work away from Windows, but thats part of
another thread where I'll have some questions in a few days. Friday
should finish last of major good weather house maintenance projects and
spend more time with these issues. :)


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