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I hope UFO is not about religion, right ?
Vasile Surducan wrote:
> I hope UFO is not about religion, right ?
I will not say anything against these photos.
One night in Garland, TX, my apartment neighbors and I watched an orange
disk fly over the
apartment for about 15 minutes, witnessed by my first wife as well as no
less than 50 of my
apartment mates, including two policemen. I was just a month less than
20 years old. Made the
Haven't decided whether it was from outer space or from the future (or
past), but it really
doesn't matter, does it? Who cares what I think? It certainly was an
> I hope UFO is not about religion, right ?
What I always wonder is - why so many different types of UFO ?
Is the Earth an inter-stellar truck-stop - "More Arcturian waffles
hon ?". The equivalent of Hitchhiker's Guide Barnard's Star **,
where you can cadge a ride to anywhere ?
And why would "they" be here ? Perhaps "they" are everywhere
Is the abundance of sightings around Groom Lake and in and around
Nevada a coincidence ?
There are of course plenty of people who love to think that we're
being visited. Won't they have egg on their faces if it turns out that
aliens really are true and are vicious imperial monsters. Oh, wait.
That's a Bad Thing
My personal opinion is that the US and Soviet governments are/were
quite happy for citizens to believe in UFOs. It encouraged them to track
them. Because the UFOs were in fact their and the opposition's test
and experimental planes. May not cover them all but it's a start
This documentary is well worth watching. I thought it balanced. A little
cynicism, but the skepticism not completely destroyed. Not all "UFOs
are nonsense" theories explained or dismissed. Some sightings could
not be easily attributed to the military (but that could be because of
lack of, or poor, connecting evidence)
** The real Barnard's Star
A couple of years ago here in Melbourne someone went to the papers
with a very vivid UFO story. They'd seen a huge object moving silently
across the sky with incredible speed. Their story made it into the
As it happened on the same day that they saw the UFO there was a radio
controlled plane event held nearby. Apparently there were plenty of
very quiet electric planes present that day. A few of the R/C guys had
quite a chuckle when they saw the story in the papers.
Neither here nor there, but I thought it was funny.
on the subject of UFOs i remember a TV programme called "a very british ufo hoax" which followed a team whose goal was to produce a UFO hoax, they suceeded too!
one thing to remember is that the 3D infromation that results from having a pair of eyes rather than just one is only good for relatively short distances (i don't know the exact figures but i know its pretty short). Beyond that the only information our eyes give us is angle which is roughly equivilent to size/distance (times some constant). From this and a known approximate size we can figure out approximate distance.
however with a UFO people do not even have a rough idea of size, the result is a relatively small model (iirc the flying saucer they made in the TV program was a couple of meters accross) flying over at low altitude can be mistaken for something much much bigger.
in other words any size estimates of a UFO given by eyewitnesses are guesses based on thier preconceptions of UFOs (from movies etc) not usable data.
Maybe the UFOs are just here for entertainment.
"Hey, watch what it does when I do THIS!"
It seems rediculously expensive to cross the galaxy to anal-probe rednecks
unless it's for the entertainment value.
> It seems rediculously expensive to cross the galaxy to anal-probe
> rednecks unless it's for the entertainment value
Maybe they don't have rednecks back home. Coming here to do
it could cost the equivalent of peak-season Broadway tickets and a
special treat for the whole ET family is cruising down a worm-hole
to catch a Buddy-Joe or Duane
> What I always wonder is - why so many different types of UFO ?
> Is the Earth an inter-stellar truck-stop - "More Arcturian waffles
> hon ?". The equivalent of Hitchhiker's Guide Barnard's Star **,
> where you can cadge a ride to anywhere ?
They're just teasers- you know, bored rich kids that land next to
some unsuspecting sod and strut around with antennas on their
heads making "beep beep" noises. Very juvenile, really.
> My personal opinion is that the US and Soviet governments are/were
> quite happy for citizens to believe in UFOs. It encouraged them to track
> them. Because the UFOs were in fact their and the opposition's test
> and experimental planes. May not cover them all but it's a start
My personal experience has been that, especially when the observer
is in a car and it's dark out, fast moving objects in the sky can
appear to do remarkable things (acute angle turns, sudden stops and
reversals of direction, hovering, moving silently) quite easily, especially
when they are fast moving but entirely conventional jet aircraft.
My own experience with UFOs occured at a Bob Dylan/Willie Nelson
concert a couple of years ago. I notice a patch of sky nearby where
small, very luminous craft were traveling at immense speeds, making
right angle turns, then vanishing and reappearing, all in complete
silence. I have a tremendous phobia (really) of LGM and such, so for
about 10 seconds I was pretty scared- but then the scientist won and
I began a careful observation and contemplation.
It turns out my sense of scale and distance was off by at least two
orders of magnitude, and the bright, incredibly fast objects zipping
around the sky were in fact birds passing in and out of upward
pointing lights about three streets away. The rapid changes in
direction were due to them flying in circular paths- as they were flying
in one direction "across" my field of view, the slowed down, and when
their arc completed and they were flying roughly away from me, they
were "hovering", and as they turned away, they "sped up" rapidly.
I guess the lesson here is that when you see something out of your
sphere of personal experience, you assign it the easiest (if not most
logical) explanation. Many people stop there- OMG I just saw a
UFO!!!1!!! Others dig deeper.
It reminds me of a story about a woman driving through the redwood
trees in California- she called the park ranger in a panic over "all
the Irish Setters dead on the side of the road". In fact, they were
huge peel chunks of redwood bark, but she A) didn't know that, B)
applied her closest model and C) didn't bother with even a rudimentary
"sniff test" about whether it makes sense or not. She probably sees
UFOs all the time, too.
If you made it this far, congratulations.
> My own experience with UFOs occured at a Bob Dylan/Willie
> Nelson concert
What's got 48 legs and 23 teeth ?
Front row at a Willie Nelson show
Yee hah !
Growing up I was known among my neighborhood friends as the local
"whiz kid", as I'm sure many of us were :) Whenever they thought they
saw a UFO (about once a year), they would ask me to evaluate it. Most
of the time I could quickly ID it as an aircraft or satellite. Once,
though, they came up with something I've never been able to explain.
They showed me a slow-moving object which reflected sunlight to
varying degrees as it moved across the sky. It was evening but still
very bright out, during the summer. With binoculars, I could see that
it was oblong, but couldn't see any wings. I couldn't see very much
detail, as if it were at a very high altitude, much higher than a
normal airliner (or a much smaller object at a lesser altitude). As it
moved, the side of it would sometimes catch the sun and deliver a very
bright reflection, and other times not. It moved much slower than I'd
expect either an aircraft or satellite to move, but did keep a
constant speed. There was no contrail.
My best guess is that it was a very large orbiting object, like
perhaps the Mir space station (this was around 1993 or 1994, so prior
to the International Space Station).
I also once was suddenly frightened by seeing a pair of fast-moving
lights at night, at a low altitude slowly come closer to each other,
and then cross each other, as I was driving. I soon figured out that I
was driving near an airport and this was a large aircraft landing (the
two lights were the wing-tip lights as it passed me by - it was so
dark out that I couldn't see the overall form of the plane, only the
wingtip lights and perhaps the tail lights), but I can sure see how
someone could think it was an alien spacecraft from the strange
behavior of the lights at night!
Could be a booster stage. I know that many are in orbit and are
tracked since ground controllers would prefer it if their shiny new
satellites avoided colliding with such space debris. :-) Orbiting
boosters are tumbling randomly so their brightness fluctuates oddly.
I did spend my 20 seconds reading this one.Please tag your posts more carefully.
This has nothing to do with [EE].
Sean Breheny wrote:
Sounds like a blimp. Orbit is really long way away (100km minimum) it'd
have to be *really* big to be resolved as anything more than a point of
light even with binoculars.
I can't rule out weather baloon, but it was definitely not a normal
blimp (it would have had to be at an incredibly high altitude for a
blimp). However, what you say doesn't seem true to me.
My recollection is that my binoculars were about 50mm diameter. Just
as a rough measure of what could be seen with them, let's consider the
Theta=lambda/diameter. Lambda is about 0.5 micrometers for visible
light. diameter is 50 millimeters. This gives 10^-5 radians.
Subtended angle is about equal to the width of the object over the
distance. If the object is 100km away, that's 10^5 meters. 10^-5
radians times 10^5 meters gives 1 meter as the resolution. I'm sure
many things would make it much worse than this, but it is at least
realistic to think that I could tell that something which was, say, 20
meters long, was elongated.
As I remember, I could *barely* make out that it was longer than it
was wide. It was almost beyond my ability to resolve.
On 3/18/07, Jake Anderson <vapourforge.com> wrote: jake
> Sounds like a blimp. Orbit is really long way away (100km minimum) it'd
> have to be *really* big to be resolved as anything more than a point of
> light even with binoculars.
> As I remember, I could *barely* make out that it was longer than it
> was wide. It was almost beyond my ability to resolve.
I've seen dense flocks of birds at a distance that looked like a really
wierd solid object.
There's also optical lensing effects between air layers.
> On 3/18/07, Jake Anderson <vapourforge.com> wrote: jake
>> Sounds like a blimp. Orbit is really long way away (100km minimum) it'd
>> have to be *really* big to be resolved as anything more than a point of
>> light even with binoculars.
Blimp? There was a famous one once; ECHO1. As Wikipedia says, it could
be seen all over the earth as it orbited.
I remember seeing it and relating to the idea that as an earthling, I
was viewing an orbiting satellite in space. At the time, I had just
finished most of Heinlein's pre-60's work. So it seemed like an
indicator that we would surely be living on the moon by the 90's. What
As for UFO's...
John Ferrell W8CCW
"Life is easier if you learn to plow
around the stumps"
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Subject: [EE] UFO
> I hope UFO is not about religion, right ?
[EE] for open minds, [OT] for the others...?
On 3/18/07, Yigit Turgut <gmail.com> wrote: y.turgut
> I did spend my 20 seconds reading this one.Please tag your posts more carefully.
> This has nothing to do with [EE].
"France has become the first country in the world to open to the
public its official archives on unidentified flying objects.
Flying Saucer fanatics now have access to some 400 files (around
a quarter of the 1600 cases of UFO sightings reported in France
since the 1950s), which have been published on a website by the
CNES (National Centre for Space Studies).
The centre is confident that between now and the end of the year
the remaining 1200 cases will be made available to view online.
The sighting reports can also be viewed by category: A (identified
conclusively as not a UFO), B (probable explanation but no formal
evidence), C (insufficient evidence) or D (unidentifiable despite
solid witness statements and concrete evidence).
The archives can be viewed online at http://www.cnes-geipan.fr, but the
online server was yesterday jammed with an overwhelming number
Alan B. Pearce
On 3/24/07, Jinx <clear.net.nz> wrote: joecolquitt
> "France has become the first country in the world to open to the
> public its official archives on unidentified flying objects.
This movie is interesting as well:
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