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'[EE] Textbook on electronic troubleshooting?'
2005\10\07@103843 by Harold Hallikainen

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I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general electronic
theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
chapter. Not very useful. Do any listmembers have any ideas on a suggested
text for such a class?

THANKS!

Harold



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2005\10\07@120616 by Mark Rages

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On 10/7/05, Harold Hallikainen <spam_OUTharoldTakeThisOuTspamhallikainen.com> wrote:
> I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
> troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general electronic
> theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
> chapter. Not very useful. Do any listmembers have any ideas on a suggested
> text for such a class?
>
> THANKS!
>
> Harold
>

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0750694998/002-5228929-5804061

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2005\10\07@121324 by alan smith

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depends on how talented the students are.  Do they know how to run a scope, analyzer, meters....soldering...if not...better start there

Digital.  Get some simple digital boards done, and have the ability to "break" them....wrong pullups, shorts, opens, wierd clocks, terminations, etc.  

Analog.  Same thing but of course a little bit harder...osciallators that are amps, amps that are oscilators, etc....

Trouble shooting cant be taught from a book.  Its all hands on, and understanding the theory behind why its bad, and how to fix it.

Thats how *I* would teach a class.



Harold Hallikainen <.....haroldKILLspamspam@spam@hallikainen.com> wrote:
I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general electronic
theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
chapter. Not very useful. Do any listmembers have any ideas on a suggested
text for such a class?

THANKS!

Harold



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2005\10\07@122752 by Madhu Annapragada

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www.amazon.com/gp/product/0750694998/002-5228929-5804061
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I can attest to the usefulness of that book; a good distillation of wisdom
from the trenches from Bob Pease, the Master of Analog.
Regards
Madhu Annapragada


2005\10\07@124446 by Alan B. Pearce

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> I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
> troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general electronic
> theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
> chapter. Not very useful. Do any listmembers have any ideas on a suggested
> text for such a class?

You may like to look at a book called "Debugging". Look at the web site at
http://www.debuggingrules.com/ and as a minimum download the poster and
provide every student with a colour copy. The author goes through various
scenarios on how to fix things, and the rules on the poster emphasize his
various points.

2005\10\07@125140 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 12:29 PM 10/7/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>www.amazon.com/gp/product/0750694998/002-5228929-5804061
>---------
>I can attest to the usefulness of that book; a good distillation of wisdom
>from the trenches from Bob Pease, the Master of Analog.
>Regards
>Madhu Annapragada

Harold:-

If you're planning on using it as a text, you might want to e-mail Pease to
see if you can get a package deal for the class. He had some (direct?) deals
for books going last time I ran across his gnarly self.

Best regards,

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2005\10\07@134144 by Ling SM

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>>I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
>>troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general electronic
>>theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
>>chapter. Not very useful. Do any listmembers have any ideas on a suggested
>>text for such a class?
>

kind of wikipedia on repair n troubleshooting:
http://www.repairfaq.org/
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_tshoot.html

Ling SM

2005\10\07@141004 by Harold Hallikainen

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THANKS for the comments! I'll check out the two books suggested so far. I
read the excerpt Amazon had on the Pease book. Looks good! He certainly
has a very readable style! I read his stuff in EDN all the time.

I agree with the comment that you can't learn troubleshooting from a book.
But, to me, a book provides structure to the class and provides a jumping
off point for discussion. The class is divided between discussion and lab,
and I can vary the proportions.

One thing I did last semester, that I think worked well, is bring in a lot
of guest speakers. I brought in an engineering tech involved in getting
new products to work, a production tech who gets products out the door and
handles repairs, a field service tech who keeps radio stations on the air.
I hope to get more people this semester.

THANKS for all the GREAT suggestions!

Harold


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2005\10\07@150245 by David Challis

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Harold,

If your students are doing anything with RF, I recommend:

Practical Radio Frequency Test and Measurement : A Technician's Handbook
(Paperback)
By Joseph Carr ISBN: 0750671610

One of Joe's many excellent books.

Dave Challis


2005\10\07@153534 by Madhu Annapragada

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From: .....piclist-bouncesKILLspamspam.....mit.edu [EraseMEpiclist-bouncesspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmit.edu] On Behalf Of
Harold Hallikainen
>One thing I did last semester, that I think worked well, is bring in a lot
>of guest speakers. I brought in an engineering tech involved in getting
>new products to work, a production tech who gets products out the door and
>handles repairs, a field service tech who keeps radio stations on the air.
>I hope to get more people this semester.

Great idea bringing in the techs; sure wish some of my professors had done
that..
Regards
Madhu Annapragada


2005\10\07@164526 by Harold Hallikainen

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Thanks! I'll have a look at it. Also, THANKS for all the other comments.
This is a GREAT list!

Harold


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2005\10\07@213155 by William Chops Westfield

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> I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
> troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general
> electronic
> theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
> chapter. Not very useful.

Electronics troubleshooting is not so much looking for things that are
wrong, but looking for deviations from the way things should be.  I
don't
know whether you can teach this directly; you either need a bunch of
knowledge about how everything is supposed to work, a boatload of
experiences about both how things work and how they are likely to
deviate, and/or an uncanny intuition...

BillW

2005\10\07@225726 by Harold Hallikainen

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>> I'm going to be teaching a community college class on electronic
>> troubleshooting in January. The current text is more of general
>> electronic
>> theory book with small sections on troubleshooting at the end of each
>> chapter. Not very useful.
>
> Electronics troubleshooting is not so much looking for things that are
> wrong, but looking for deviations from the way things should be.  I
> don't
> know whether you can teach this directly; you either need a bunch of
> knowledge about how everything is supposed to work, a boatload of
> experiences about both how things work and how they are likely to
> deviate, and/or an uncanny intuition...
>

I agree. I like teaching other classes better, but this is what I got for
next semester. The Bob Pease book people suggested looks good. I'll also
bring in working techs like last semester as guest speakers. So... thanks
for the comments!

Harold


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2005\10\08@090117 by William Chops Westfield

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On Oct 7, 2005, at 6:31 PM, William Chops Westfield wrote:

> Electronics troubleshooting is not so much looking for things that are
> wrong, but looking for deviations from the way things should be.

Huh.  It occurs to me that this explains why 'code reviews' don't seem
to work as well as they ought to for 'ensuring software quality.'  Too
much emphasis on looking for things that are wrong...  (of course,
checking to make sure it's right is much harder.)

BillW

2005\10\08@150304 by Gerhard Fiedler

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William ChopsWestfield wrote:

> Huh.  It occurs to me that this explains why 'code reviews' don't seem
> to work as well as they ought to for 'ensuring software quality.'  

I think another one of the problems with code reviews is the difficulty to
distinguish between personal preferences and real problems. And another one
is, especially if they are peer reviews, the difficulty to criticize a
coworker... Needs a good, collaborative company culture to start, but this
doesn't yet guarantee anything.

Gerhard

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