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2008\05\02@172822 by Dr Skip

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FYI and from an email newsletter:



Save Windows XP Petition

SAY IT LOUD: SAVE WINDOWS XP - Microsoft's CEO Steve Ballmer late last week
said the company might consider keeping Windows XP available beyond June 30 if
customers call for it. So crank up the volume and get everyone to sign the Save
Windows XP petition. Read on:
http://www.wservernews.com/GW9C49/080505-Save-XP


Need WinXP After June 30? Dell Can Factory-Install!

Many of us are dreading the time where we are arm-twisted to buy workstations
with Vista preinstalled, and having to go through a lot of hassle to either
wipe and downgrade ourselves, or otherwise are confronted with extra work.

Well, this infamous June 30 deadline for WinXP availability manifested a new
loophole recently as Dell announced on their website that it would continue to
offer WinXP, thanks to a clause in their "downgrade rights." Here is the
section: "Is there any way to get Windows XP after June 30th? Customers may
continue to get Windows XP Professional by exercising Downgrade Rights that
come with Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate licenses. Dell has
the ability to exercise "Windows Vista downgrade rights" on your behalf in the
factory if your business is still reliant upon Windows XP and you'd prefer to
have Windows XP Professional preinstalled on your PCs."

Dell will factory install XP if you choose a "Vista Ultimate Bonus" or "Vista
Business Bonus" option during configuration. In these cases Dell will install
WinXP, and (get this) give you backup media for XP as well as the install disc
for Vista.

ComputerWorld confirmed with a Microsoft spokesperson that Dell was within its
rights to factory-install XP on machines sold with a Vista Ultimate or Vista
Business license. Here is the link to Dell's statement:
www.wservernews.com/GW9C49/080505-Dell-XP

2008\05\02@232848 by Marcel Duchamp

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Dr Skip wrote:
> FYI and from an email newsletter:
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> Save Windows XP Petition
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I voted with my feet: actually BOUGHT a computer with XP.  Bottom of the
line (nearly) Dell Vostro for $450US.  It works great for everything I
need and it has... XP.


2008\05\03@042500 by Vitaliy

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Marcel Duchamp wrote:
> I voted with my feet: actually BOUGHT a computer with XP.  Bottom of the
> line (nearly) Dell Vostro for $450US.  It works great for everything I
> need and it has... XP.

Ditto. Most of the 20+ computers at our company (majority purchased very
recently) are XP machines, I was lucky enough to be in a position to
influence the choice of OS ;-)

I know the inevitable will happen, but our strategy is to hold out for as
long as possible, in hopes that by the time we are forced to switch, many of
Vista's problems will be fixed.

Vitaliy


2008\05\06@174320 by Nate Duehr

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Vitaliy wrote:

> I know the inevitable will happen, but our strategy is to hold out for as
> long as possible, in hopes that by the time we are forced to switch, many of
> Vista's problems will be fixed.

If it's really how die-hard Windows users feel right now, and it's that
futile, why not switch now before you're forced to?

From a purely business perspective, being screwed over multiple times
by the same vendor and returning for more, seems like there's some
strange co-dependency issue going on there.

Not to make light of the very real problem of spousal-abuse, but it's
like a beaten wife returning to the guy for more, while the rest of the
world thinks, "Get out now and press charges!" and only a certain
percentage will actually come out and say it...

I'll say it.  Bail out.

:-) about the MicroSoft analogy...

:-( about real abuse cases... of course.

Nate

2008\05\06@190926 by peter green

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>  From a purely business perspective, being screwed over multiple times
> by the same vendor and returning for more, seems like there's some
> strange co-dependency issue going on there.

* While most users use windows many developers will only bother to
develop for windows.
* While most users have a set of applications that includes windows
specific apps they will stay on windows
> If it's really how die-hard Windows users feel right now, and it's that
> futile, why not switch now before you're forced to?

Lets look at this from the perspective of a person/organisation that is
dependent
on windows applications and has no hope of breaking that dependency in the
forseeable future (this description fits a large proportion of companies).

It is still easy to find hardware that will run XP and there is over
half a decade of
security updates left (to put that figure in perspecitive ubuntu LTS
releases only
offer 3 years of security updates and with a release frequency of 2
years that means
an update window of only one year!). Downgrade rights mean that for  
buisnesses
and savvy home users the so-called "end of availibility" of XP is a
storm in a teacup.

Yes there is wine but it is finiky at the best of times and certainly
not something
I would want to rely on for critical apps. Virtualisation is an option
but it is
fairly high overhead (both in terms of hardware requirements and in
terms of
user training) and so I would generally suggest it only as a last resort.

Given time the pain of running vista will probablly go down. Hardware
will catch
up with the bloat (it already pretty much has unless you buy absoloute
bottom end
stuff), application developers will update thier appliations and MS will
release
hotfixes and/or service packs to fix the worst issues.

So it seems like the sensible move is to wait until either XP comes
close (how close
depends on how agile your operation is but I would imagine a couple of years
would be enough margin for most people) to end of security updates or
running XP
becomes more of a pain than either running vista (possiblly with
virtualised XP) or
running linux with virtualised XP. Then make the descision on what to do
next.

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