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2007\07\27@040016 by Peter

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Hi all,
I will value all opinions on this subject.
Firstly, I regularly read the PIClist, but as yet not really
contributed.  Well now is the time for some opinions.

At work we have developed some technology, and for this discussion I
will just say, consists of FPGA's  and DSP's for signal processing.  I
do have to be careful as contracts and agreements have been signed.  
Hope you understand, the situation.

The high end decision boffons, have decided to upgrade to the Analog
Device Blackfin DSP.  This has been done, PCB's designed and code
written.  All good so far.
We are located in Australia.  We were told of a delivery by September
this year, from the distributor over here.  Now today we were told a
revised time in next year Q1, undefined date.  Changing DSP's to
something else isn't on the table as an option, for this project.

I have been assigned the task of finding ways to speed this up, and to
investigate the bottle neck, or what the problem is.  I have a
background in electronics as a senior technician, and haven't had
problems sourcing parts at quantities in the past.

This project is talking in quantities of 500,000 of the Blackfin DSP,
over a 2year period. Maybe higher.  Straight away, however, we ordered
1000 units, in about April this Year.

Is it possible to bypass the distributor or are there other ways to go?

I value your input and opinions.

Cheers,
Peter

2007\07\27@090614 by Bob Axtell

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Peter wrote:
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Contact the manufacturer immediately. Forget the distributor at this
point. Using the highst level person
at your company, contact the highest level person at the manufacturer,
asking him to resolve this. At
these levels of purchase, you can force a resolution in 24 hrs.

--Bob A

2007\07\29@110352 by Peter

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Bob Axtell wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>  
>> ~snip~
>> This project is talking in quantities of 500,000 of the Blackfin DSP,
>> over a 2year period. Maybe higher.  Straight away, however, we ordered
>> 1000 units, in about April this Year.
>>
>> Is it possible to bypass the distributor or are there other ways to go?
>>  
>>    
> Contact the manufacturer immediately. Forget the distributor at this
> point. Using the highst level person
> at your company, contact the highest level person at the manufacturer,
> asking him to resolve this. At
> these levels of purchase, you can force a resolution in 24 hrs.
>
>  
Thanks for your response Bob, I was thinking the same, late Friday over
here.  I'll see how it goes.  I spoke to our purchases, they said "they
can supply us with two samples, no eta", yep apparently that's what, the
Distributor said !  There is one word for them, useless !

Peter

2007\07\30@153929 by alan smith

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Or try your local rep firm first.  I would be very surprised they haven't been in discussing this with your engineers and providing them with data sheets and direct access to the FAE's.  Of course, being in the states, we are spoiled somewhat because the reps are usually very willing to solve these kinds of problems.  Just being curious, whats the part number your looking at using?  We've been looking at the Blackfin and the Sharc for some projects.  I could ask our rep or distributor what the status is from the statesides view.  Who are you purchasing from as well?

Bob Axtell <spam_OUTengineerTakeThisOuTspamcotse.net> wrote:  Peter wrote:
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Contact the manufacturer immediately. Forget the distributor at this
point. Using the highst level person
at your company, contact the highest level person at the manufacturer,
asking him to resolve this. At
these levels of purchase, you can force a resolution in 24 hrs.

--Bob A

2007\07\30@161730 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 7/30/07, alan smith <.....micro_eng2KILLspamspam@spam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Of course, being in the states, we are spoiled somewhat because
> the reps are usually very willing to solve these kinds of problems.

That is very true. When I was in the States, it was so easy to get
samples and demo boards since the reps are very eager to
get a design-in.

Whan I was back in Singapore, things were not as easy even
though there are many distributors and the vendor FAEs are in
general helpful. The distributor FAEs in general know not enough
or even very little since one guy needs to support many lines.


Xiaofan

2007\07\30@215632 by Peter

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alan smith wrote:
> Or try your local rep firm first.  I would be very surprised they haven't been in discussing this with your engineers and providing them with data sheets and direct access to the FAE's.  Of course, being in the states, we are spoiled somewhat because the reps are usually very willing to solve these kinds of problems.  Just being curious, whats the part number your looking at using?  We've been looking at the Blackfin and the Sharc for some projects.  I could ask our rep or distributor what the status is from the statesides view.  Who are you purchasing from as well?
>
>  
Hi Alan, I would like to thank you for your response.  For the past
week, legal contracts, have been finalising, So when the dust has
settled and passed, I can obtain the exact part number, from that
division, and if you don't mind, I would then like to take you up on
your offer.  Our department gets the same response, from the Distributor
contact, who I believe is Avnet.

Peter

2007\07\30@231555 by John Chung

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--- Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:

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I believe this statement is true in the Asian world.

John




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2007\07\31@051735 by Peter

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alan smith wrote:
>  Just being curious, whats the part number your looking at using?  We've been looking at the Blackfin and the Sharc for some projects.  I could ask our rep or distributor what the status is from the statesides view.  Who are you purchasing from as well?
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Hi Alan,
The wheel is beginning to turn slow, but turning, legal wise.

.  The Analog Devices, Blackfin partnumber is:

ADSP-BF522BBCZ-5A   533MHz, in package:   208-MBGA
ADSP-BF522BBCZ-4A   400MHz, in package:   208-MBGA
ADSP-BF522BBCZ-3A   300MHz, in package:   208-MBGA

I believe the processor speed to be the 533MHz (-5A), however that was
left off the information supplied to me today.
I would be very interested, in what your local rep. has to say about
availability.  Our quantity of 1000, over here was quoted no eta, with
an unconfirmed delivery as Feb 2008.
My manager has requested I find 4000, immediately !   1000 per month is
acceptable however.   Based on this info. I would appreciate it, if you
could ask some questions on my behalf, to your  local rep.  You can
contact me off list if you wish, on the above email address.

Regards,
Peter

2007\07\31@170228 by alan smith

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heres the word....and its probably not good news for you
 
 You can get Engineering samples now. Xgrade production is end of 2007. Full production is Q2 2008. There is very little difference between Xgrade and Full production (usually just fix whatever errata is out there – which is published). The same with the BF527.

     
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2007\07\31@231303 by Peter

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Thanks for your time and input.

As I suspected... that went down like a lead balloon!  I am still being
asked to find 4000, by Dec07, but (Sept07 was spoken about..err).  I
spoke, with my local rep, from Arrow Electronics, let's wait and see.
Don't you hate when hierarchy make design decisions, but fail to check
lead times.  Then it's someone else's problem to fix.  As in
...are..."me"  As I was working on another project, and haven't been
part of these decisions.




'[EE] Production qty Analog Devices DSP Blackfin - '
2007\08\01@042055 by Alan B. Pearce
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>As I suspected... that went down like a lead balloon!  I am still
>being asked to find 4000, by Dec07, but (Sept07 was spoken about..err).
>I spoke, with my local rep, from Arrow Electronics, let's wait and see.
>Don't you hate when hierarchy make design decisions, but fail to check
>lead times.  Then it's someone else's problem to fix.  As in
>...are..."me"  As I was working on another project, and haven't been
>part of these decisions.

Sounds like it is time to go to the monthly meeting and say "what part of
'not in production yet' do you not understand?"


2007\08\01@111736 by Peter

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> Sounds like it is time to go to the monthly meeting and say "what part of
> 'not in production yet' do you not understand?"
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I reckon so.   If it can't be done sooner, it can't be done sooner.  
Certainly not my over-sight, and I'll make this known.

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