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2007\10\19@035639
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Jinx
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Can someone please suggest a fix to this problem. In the diagram,
the 220R 0.5W gate resistor keeps showing me how much smoke
it can blow out
I plug this in, wait a couple of seconds, then press a pushbutton,
which makes a 12F675 send a 10us to the opto-triac. The pulse
is OK, checked that on a scope
What will happen is that the flash will go off, then the 220R starts
slowly burning. The power gets turned off, maybe a second later,
before the resistor actually goes open
I've tried a large-value resistor pull-down on the SCR gate, but
that makes no difference. It's presently 2 x 560k (some resistors
in this circuit are series pairs, for the voltage rating)
Tried several values for a pull-down, from 1M to 5M, in the position
shown, but the 220R burns up just the same. I feel like General Haig
sending them over the top, poor little blighters
Must be on the wrong track with a pull-down. Can't see where that
power is coming from. I figured that for all but a very brief time, the
resistor is isolated from any PD across it. Something is obviously not
turning off, and making it dissipate a lot more than it should need to.
The only candidates, AFAICS, are the tube, the SCR or the opto
I don't think anything else is suffering. My logic being that the flash
will go off with a new 220R
Plan A - replace the 220R after every flash, but I'm pretty sure that's
not how the pros do it ;-)
Plan B - ask you guys
TIA
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2007\10\19@065849
by
John La Rooy
2007\10\19@072930
by
Jinx
> Maybe the description here helps
> http://sound.westhost.com/project65.htm
The differences are
220uF vs 1u8. I thought maybe something that can't hold a
stink-load of energy at this stage - I was wrong ?
180R vs 220R - could try 180R
20us vs 10us - could try reducing pulse time further
2007\10\19@085215
by
David VanHorn
On 10/19/07, Jinx <spam_OUTjoecolquittTakeThisOuT
clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Can someone please suggest a fix to this problem. In the diagram,
> the 220R 0.5W gate resistor keeps showing me how much smoke
> it can blow out
As drawn, I don't see how you could cook the 220 resistor.
Perhaps there's a mistake in implementation?
2007\10\19@112951
by
Morgan Olsson
Den 2007-10-19 09:54:07 skrev Jinx <.....joecolquittKILLspam
@spam@clear.net.nz>:
> Can someone please suggest a fix to this problem. In the diagram,
> the 220R 0.5W gate resistor keeps showing me how much smoke
> it can blow out
Check your wiring.
As drawn it seem OK and there is no way a current gen get strong enough to cook the 220R 0.5W resistor; max it can get is what is coming through thoose two 47k resistors.
--
Morgan Olsson
2007\10\19@121357
by
Herbert Graf
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On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 20:54 +1300, Jinx wrote:
{Quote hidden}> Can someone please suggest a fix to this problem. In the diagram,
> the 220R 0.5W gate resistor keeps showing me how much smoke
> it can blow out
>
> I plug this in, wait a couple of seconds, then press a pushbutton,
> which makes a 12F675 send a 10us to the opto-triac. The pulse
> is OK, checked that on a scope
>
> What will happen is that the flash will go off, then the 220R starts
> slowly burning. The power gets turned off, maybe a second later,
> before the resistor actually goes open
>
> I've tried a large-value resistor pull-down on the SCR gate, but
> that makes no difference. It's presently 2 x 560k (some resistors
> in this circuit are series pairs, for the voltage rating)
>
> Tried several values for a pull-down, from 1M to 5M, in the position
> shown, but the 220R burns up just the same. I feel like General Haig
> sending them over the top, poor little blighters
>
> Must be on the wrong track with a pull-down. Can't see where that
> power is coming from. I figured that for all but a very brief time, the
> resistor is isolated from any PD across it. Something is obviously not
> turning off, and making it dissipate a lot more than it should need to.
> The only candidates, AFAICS, are the tube, the SCR or the opto
>
> I don't think anything else is suffering. My logic being that the flash
> will go off with a new 220R
If what you've got is exactly what's in that schematic I don't see how
it's possible for that resistor to smoke.
So, either you've got a wiring problem, or perhaps your SCR is shot?
TTYL
2007\10\19@133537
by
Peter van Hoof
This will IMHO only happen if the 47k's are not 47k (shorted or low)
that can keep the current for the MOC 3023 above the hold current and
keep it conducting (the 1.8uf cap will not be discharged enough by the flashbulb to
reduce current below hold current) thus frying the 22r resistor.
Peter
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2007\10\19@142045
by
Cedric Chang
Plan A - replace the 220R after every flash, but I'm pretty sure that's
not how the pros do it ;-)
Plan B - ask you guys
Plan C - put resistor in socket. pull the resistor out as soon as
you flash.
TIA
2007\10\19@174737
by
Jinx
> Plan C - put resistor in socket. pull the resistor out as soon as
> you flash.
Outstanding ! That's not thinking outside the box. That's throwing
the box away and getting a bigger one !!
Cheers for a morning smile Cedric ;-)
2007\10\19@185712
by
Dr Skip
You forgot the software patch approach applied to hardware...
Put another bigger SCR across the resistor and add another input to fire a few
mS after the first... Automate it! ;)
Jinx wrote:
>> Plan C - put resistor in socket. pull the resistor out as soon as
>> you flash.
>
2007\10\20@121016
by
Brooke Clarke
2007\10\20@183352
by
Jinx
2007\10\20@185430
by
Mark Rages
2007\10\20@190654
by
Kelly Kohls
2007\10\20@213018
by
Jinx
>220 ohm resistor is connected to wrong side of 47k's
Oh f....or goodness sake, right in front of me all the time. Thanks
to you and Kelly for spotting it. I should be grateful I don't often
make mistakes like that (and especially one that could have been
very noisy, smelly and shrapnelly), but it's still embarassing
I've changed the PCB, but it doesn't flash. Possibly the MOCs are
dead, have to dig out the isolating transformer and check, so I'll
scrounge up some new parts and let you know
Will also put up the proper layout and leave it there for Googlers
2007\10\20@222905
by
Russell McMahon
> I've changed the PCB, but it doesn't flash. Possibly the
> MOCs are
> dead, have to dig out the isolating transformer and check,
> so I'll
> scrounge up some new parts and let you know
I have some zero crossing MOCs which may work - in 2nd to
deepest dungeon - I can probably lay my hands on them.
May save you a day or 3.
Russell
2007\10\20@224929
by
Jinx
> I have some zero crossing MOCs which may work - in 2nd to
> deepest dungeon - I can probably lay my hands on them.
Thanks, I have at least one 3041 and some 3021s in a similar
place. Will ferret for those first, thanks again
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