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2008\07\16@184851 by Bob Blick

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OMG, yesterday I took things too seriously and today too lightly - I
thought your original post was supposed to be funny, what with
references to camels and loads!

So what you are talking about is the PIC is programmed to do some
logging or other tasks but has an internet subsystem that is a webserver
for configuration and also a client for remote database so it can upload
its logged data etc. Good idea!

Cheerful regards,

Bob

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:31:50 +0300, "Mongol Herdsman"
<spam_OUTinner.mongolia.herdTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> said:

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2008\07\16@222946 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/17/08, Bob Blick <.....bobblickKILLspamspam@spam@ftml.net> wrote:
> So what you are talking about is the PIC is programmed to do some
> logging or other tasks but has an internet subsystem that is a webserver
> for configuration and also a client for remote database so it can upload
> its logged data etc. Good idea!

It's true, but the main point is somewhat different. The point is that
you can not only log data to remote server, but also can use powerful
processing / User Interface over it almost for free.

For example, if you have a vineyard somewhat in NZ. Place a wireless
PIC based device under every vine and let it upload the data to some
MS web server/SQL server. The problem is what to do with the huge
amount of data. You need to process it to visualize, say, the humidity
in time, or temperature or sun exposition. You need to get alerted
when something is going wrong.

The custom software would cost you a fortune. But what if the data
would come directly to Google's documents or MS Live documents? You
could do basic processing on your own by using Excel like
functionality. Since the number of users is huge the software could be
very serious.

Thanks

2008\07\17@092150 by olin piclist

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Mongol Herdsman wrote:
> For example, if you have a vineyard somewhat in NZ. Place a wireless
> PIC based device under every vine and let it upload the data to some
> MS web server/SQL server.

But since this is purely a machine to machine link, why does it need to be
something as cumbersome as a web interface?  Why not a simple binary
protocol layered on TCP that is optimized for ease of implementation in the
micro?  Once the data gets to a big machine, it can reformat and convert all
it wants.

Another issue is how are all these little devices going to access the
internet directly?  Is this vinyard going to have WiFi access points
distributed throughout?  Even if so, how are the micros with the WiFi
modules going to be powered?  Look up the power requirements of embedded
WiFi modules, some battery data sheets, and then so some serious thinking.

If the individual units need to be small and portable, meaning battery
powered, then you probably need custom local concentrators that pick up the
transmissions from the nodes directly using some private RF scheme, maybe
Zigbee, and then forward the aggregated information over the internet.


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2008\07\17@174936 by Tamas Rudnai

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> MS web server/SQL server.

Sorry I still don't get it. Why would it be better with **Microsoft**
whatever than other system? Why would it be cheaper for example? And then
you are talking about Google docs - are they use .NET? I thought they use
Ajax instead?

Anyway, if you go always to the simplest solutions you will never get into
serious troubles. I do not think if any data acquisition system has anything
to do with the upper layer how the data is processed or represented to the
user so it is unrelated if the technology is based on MS SQL or MySQL or
Ajax or .NET or Tomcat or PHP or simple Perl scripts.

Not sure if Google Docs is any easier to handle than having a CSV data file
and opening and processing it with Excel or Symphony or OpenOffice or even
with simple Perl or Python scripts. As a marketing it maybe better to say
loads of crypting words to user that they have heard of them already like
.NET or Google but otherwise technologycally I cannot see any advantage to
be honest.

Tamas



On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Mongol Herdsman <
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2008\07\17@230657 by Mongol Herdsman

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Thanks for the messages.
Give me a couple of days or so to reply, please.
Interesting messages, BTW. Zero level of competence in the area IMHO,
but 100% level of how to ask question in smart and effective way. I'd
hire him, very good relocatable environment guaranteed - an exclusive
very much relocatable yurta Embed Yurt, Gold Level, "Absolute
Addressing Free".


On 7/17/08, Olin Lathrop <EraseMEolin_piclistspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTembedinc.com> wrote:
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2008\07\18@011013 by Sean Breheny

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I wonder who "Mongol Herdsman" is....?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Mongol Herdsman
<inner.mongolia.herdspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the messages.
> Give me a couple of days or so to reply, please.
> Interesting messages, BTW. Zero level of competence in the area IMHO,
> but 100% level of how to ask question in smart and effective way. I'd
> hire him, very good relocatable environment guaranteed - an exclusive
> very much relocatable yurta Embed Yurt, Gold Level, "Absolute
> Addressing Free".
>
>

2008\07\18@041154 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I wonder who "Mongol Herdsman" is....?

A Troll that lives in a Yurt ...

I really do get the impression that this whole thread is him laughing at us.

The suggested use just makes no sense at all.

2008\07\18@044232 by Tamas Rudnai

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> I really do get the impression that this whole thread is him laughing at
us.

Like a hidden camera show? :-) Could be true - smile at the camera :-)

Tamas



On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Alan B. Pearce <@spam@A.B.PearceKILLspamspamrl.ac.uk> wrote:

> >I wonder who "Mongol Herdsman" is....?
>
> A Troll that lives in a Yurt ...
>
> I really do get the impression that this whole thread is him laughing at
> us.
>
> The suggested use just makes no sense at all.
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2008\07\18@062826 by SME

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>>I wonder who "Mongol Herdsman" is.. . .?

Obviously an impostor.
Almost certainly a commie plant.
He calls a ger a yurt. This makes him either Russian or an uninformed
westerner. I suspect the former.
We are on to you, comrade.

The fact that she uses the abbreviation "NZ" when referring to New
Zealand is an obvious attempt to mislead and should not be allowed to
confuse. Also the use of 'heck and 'delve' are typical of cold war
attempts to deceive and looking back through past posts will reveal
nothing (These are not the ones you want. Move along).


 Sechen Tarkhan   (S.M.E.)
 Burqan-qaldan

2008\07\18@082926 by olin piclist

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Mongol Herdsman wrote:
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You came here asking for comments on your vague data gathering scheme.  Then
you get some and you respond with insults and gibberish.  I don't know how
much longer the admins are going to put up with this, especially while you
anonomously cower behind a gmail account.


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2008\07\18@083056 by olin piclist

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Sean Breheny wrote:
> I wonder who "Mongol Herdsman" is....?

Clearly someone too cowardly to stand up and be counted.  Unfortunately this
is proof yet again that anonimity breeds vandalism.


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2008\07\18@092549 by Charles Rogers

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For those using Outlook Express you can very easily
add this person to the ."blocked senders list", this way
you will not get his future posts.

CR


| >>I wonder who "Mongol Herdsman" is.. . .?
|
| Obviously an impostor.
| Almost certainly a commie plant.
| He calls a ger a yurt. This makes him either Russian or an uninformed
| westerner. I suspect the former.
| We are on to you, comrade.
|
| The fact that she uses the abbreviation "NZ" when referring to New
| Zealand is an obvious attempt to mislead

2008\07\18@095325 by Apptech

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> You came here asking for comments on your vague data
> gathering scheme.  Then
> you get some and you respond with insults and gibberish.
> I don't know how
> much longer the admins are going to put up with this,
> especially while you
> anonomously cower behind a gmail account.

I don't see much cowering here, or an especially significant
amount of insults or gibberish. But, as Karl Sagan was wont
to say, I may be wrong. (He never really thought he was,
AFAICS, but that's another matter).

Said MH turned up on 17/7 (NZT) and started to address
issues in a manner which was unquestionably tongue in cheek.
You will find a high level of erudition, good use of the
English language and a good technical grasp plus at least a
degree of comfort with general world events.

If people insist on treating her utterances as if they are
serious the responses are liable to continue or escalate. If
people heap abuse, abuse may be returned and admins may
indeed remove said intruder before ID is established with
certainty.

One could lay minor odds that it was in fact Olin abusing
Olin here, and may just possibly not lose one's money :-).

Other possibilities are that it's me (but it's not) and the
NZ for New Zealand familiarity suggests that a southern
ocean source might at least be entertained. Adjurations to
the contrary notwithstanding.

A pattern search of old posts using characteristic patterns
may pay dividends. And may not.

Take it as intended and not too too much harm can come.



       Russell




2008\07\18@100727 by Apptech

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> For those using Outlook Express you can very easily
> add this person to the ."blocked senders list", this way
> you will not get his future posts.

And miss the fun?


       R

2008\07\18@103244 by Apptech

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Smith" <KILLspamajsmithKILLspamspambeagle.com.au>
To: "'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.'"
<RemoveMEpiclistTakeThisOuTspammit.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: [EE] PIC based ASP.NET/SQL client.


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2008\07\18@103345 by M. Adam Davis

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So how is this different/better/worse than my existing setup where my
MCU connects to the internet, posts information into a MySQL DB using
a PHP webpage (ie, the MCU acts as an HTTP client and uses that to
pass information to PHP which then goes into the DB) which data can
then be used by other PHP webpages to produce reports/graphs/maps/etc?

Why is the ASP/MSSQL such a critical part of your scenario?

Further, this is being done by people and companies all over the world
right now, in all sorts of languages and databases.

Lastly, if you're not ready to discuss it, perhaps you should consider
not mentioning it.  Making claims of some huge market or serious
opportunity and then not providing any useful information is only
going to irritate people.

-Adam

On 7/16/08, Mongol Herdsman <TakeThisOuTinner.mongolia.herdEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
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2008\07\18@105022 by Tony Smith

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Not everyone on the Piclist is who they say they are...

Tony


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2008\07\18@105024 by Tony Smith

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Not everyone on the Piclist are who they say they are...

Tony



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2008\07\18@105329 by Tony Smith

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> source might at least be entertained. Adjurations to the
> contrary notwithstanding.
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> A pattern search of old posts using characteristic patterns
> may pay dividends. And may not.


Y'know, I've got a friend who does that sort of thing.  Hmmmm.

Tony

(Oh, and 'Karl' Sagan?  Didn't he write the 'Cosmos Manifesto'?)

2008\07\18@111608 by olin piclist

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Apptech wrote:
> I don't see much cowering here,

Hiding behind a anonymous gmail account is rather cowardly.

> One could lay minor odds that it was in fact Olin abusing
> Olin here, and may just possibly not lose one's money :-).

I don't know who Mongol Herdsman is (although I have some guesses), but it's
absolutely not me.  When I've got something to say, I stand up and say it
and put my name on it.


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2008\07\18@194721 by Jinx

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> Not everyone on the Piclist is who they say they are...

Who said that ?

On a My Word (BBC panel game) episode, members were
asked to pass on odd snippets of conversation they'd heard

Behind two ladies on the bus -

"You know, it's not his real name"
"Not who's real name ?"

As I've mentioned to Tony before, if you're going to re-invent
yourself, at least go up in the world

*=================*

sincerely

Brigadier Maj Gen Sir Arbuthnot St John Beaumont (retd)
KCMG PhD LLB (Poona)

2008\07\19@012139 by Apptech

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It's a JOKE.
J.O.K.E
J ...
Someone is being / trying to be funny.
The whole series is a spof, with a high degree of eruditon
and lotsf technical content, used with a varying degree of
correctness.

Why are people getting upset ... ?

Note that it started on July 8th. And it was a Joke then.

____

COMPLIMENTS Olin:

From: "Mongol Herdsman" <RemoveMEinner.mongolia.herdEraseMEspamEraseMEgmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [PIC] Relocatable Environment, was Re: Code
packing


> Let me disagree, my apologies. I'd recommend the
> relocatable
> environment very much, In fact we've been using it for
> centuries,
> thanks to Olin, The Great.
> We call the relocatable environment "Yurt" (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt ) Even kids could get
> into it in one
> step.

____________

Good Olin knowledge*, but not slanging him.
Gentle fun at best.
Some techo content turned to joking advantage**

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** > I passed both certfications and even more - now I'm MVP
(Most Valuable
> Person) in the area. I planed visiting Microchip's MASTERs
> this month,
> but the problem is our ox-carts are not quite good at
> crossing
> Atlantic.

___________________

Here the latest spoof.
FUN guys ...

>I propose to consider new [ASP/SQL] tag on this list.

A joke.

> Actually PIC based devices could serve as light web
> clients within
> ASP.NET/MS SQL applications. This kicks off huge market.
> Hope MCHP
> people will understand it not too late.

Extended.
Plus shows technical knowledge.

> ... here in "Texas" sized Inner Mongolia we would
> like to equip every camel with cheap Internet-over-GPRS
> enabled
> PIC-based mobile to report to California based web server
> about the
> current condition of the camel and its load.

You think THAT's serious ???

or

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Joke.
JOKE.
J. ...

Which was a response to ...

>> I'd like to welcome Bob Blick and Russell to the admin
>> team as list
>> moderators :-)
>>
>> We've set up another topic tag called [TECH] which
>> Russell has agreed
>> to police (along with [OT]).  Bob will be helping to
>> police the [PIC]
>> and [EE] tags.  This will allow us to refocus some of the
>> other tags.
etc

_____________

AND
419?
/

Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Getting cash abroad

There is no a universal receipt. Our shaman sez the question
seems to
belong to 419 scam.

__________________

AND !!!

Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: [PIC] PICLIST admin stuff


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C'mon guys.

___________________

Even this displays good Olin knowledge as it relates both to
technical competence (and assessing Olin as having low
technical competence is OBVIOULY a joke) while saying he had
low question asking skills, which is a dig at Olin's
concentration on this aspect in others. To suggest that Olin
has poor question asking skills is also obviously a nonesnse
(most of the time). No mention is made of Olins societal
textual framing :-).

_________

Gonna stop there.
Get the point.

Perhaps not as funny as the originator might hope but
amusing enough and, importantly, makes no adverse comments
(that I noticed) about others that can be taken at close to
face value. ie hyperbole and misrepresentation abounds and
is clearly intended to be visible. As expected in parody.


Whatever.

       Russell

2008\07\19@080728 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/18/08, Mongol Herdsman <RemoveMEinner.mongolia.herdspam_OUTspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the messages.
> Give me a couple of days or so to reply, please.

Sorry guys, did not I say, "Give me a couple of days or so to reply, please."
I'm quite busy these weeks. Give me a day or so to reply, please.

Thanks for your patience, gentlemen.

2008\07\19@093900 by Apptech

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You seem to be responding to your own response.
Is this meant to be a recursive troll?

> On 7/18/08, Mongol Herdsman
> <RemoveMEinner.mongolia.herdTakeThisOuTspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the messages.
>> Give me a couple of days or so to reply, please.

> Sorry guys, did not I say, "Give me a couple of days or so
> to reply, please."
> I'm quite busy these weeks. Give me a day or so to reply,
> please.


       Russell

2008\07\19@101716 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/19/08, Apptech <EraseMEapptechspamspamspamBeGoneparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> You seem to be responding to your own response.
> Is this meant to be a recursive troll?

No. Russell, you seem to be a reasonable person. Why, the hell, do you
take it that negatively?

I just reminded that I told I won't be available to reply for 2 days
or so and cited that message.

I got a lot of code these days to be developed, relax, do not waste
time on comments I have no time to reply to right now (you may
comment). Enough comments made, now my move, hang on, please.

Thanks.

2008\07\19@104647 by olin piclist

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> I just reminded that I told I won't be available to reply for 2 days
> or so and cited that message.
>
> I got a lot of code these days to be developed, relax, do not waste
> time on comments I have no time to reply to right now (you may
> comment). Enough comments made, now my move, hang on, please.

Are you S from U?  Anyway, if you don't have time to process replies just
don't post any messages until you are ready.  In the mean time you can keep
the replies you got in your inbox and get to them next time you get back to
Taklamakan or wherever that has internet.


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2008\07\19@114607 by Tony Smith

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> > Not everyone on the Piclist is who they say they are...
>
> Who said that ?

> As I've mentioned to Tony before, if you're going to
> re-invent yourself, at least go up in the world
>
> *=================*
>
> sincerely
>
> Brigadier Maj Gen Sir Arbuthnot St John Beaumont (retd) KCMG
> PhD LLB (Poona)


Jolly good show, old chap.  Doesn't that feel better than using some
commonly grubby handle, I mean, 'Jinx', now come on.

Perhaps the PicList can have a 'Pretend to be someone else' day.  'Mongolian
Herdman' can pretend to be Olin, Olin can pretend to be Tomas, Tomas can
pretend to be Russell, and so on.  Those who are already pretending to be
someone else can be their real selves for the day instead.

Sincerest regards,

Supreme Commander Alastair Joseph Smithers, PhD, OBE, JGB* and all that,
what what.


* 'Jolly Good Bloke', aka 'Jolly Good Chap' for those who insist on being
formal about these things.

2008\07\19@114847 by Tony Smith

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He didn't say when these couple of days will be.  Perhaps next Thurday,
perhaps around Christmas, perhaps the week after the feast celebrating the
birthday of his favorite camel.

Tony


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2008\07\19@122317 by Bob Blick

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I actually think a datalogger that can be a minimal client and also have
a simple webserver for configuration is a great idea if it could be done
on a PIC or other small microcontroller. And cellphone networks are
everywhere.

Whether or not you like the mystery poster's style, the idea in general
is pretty good.

Cheerful regards,

Bob


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2008\07\19@125415 by Tamas Rudnai

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I am sorry, now I completely lost the thread. So the webserver is on the PIC
or is it a web server somewhere else and communicates with the PIC using a
simple data line (aka a modem / serial interface)? What is the relation with
the .NET or MS SQL?

Thanks,
Tamas



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2008\07\19@140628 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/19/08, Bob Blick <EraseMEbobblickspamEraseMEftml.net> wrote:
> I actually think a datalogger that can be a minimal client and also have
> a simple webserver for configuration is a great idea if it could be done
> on a PIC or other small microcontroller. And cellphone networks are
> everywhere.

Not exactly, in short, for example (one of hundreds possible variants):

1. PIC based very cheap devices connect through ZigBee to some hub.
This could be solar cell & battery based. ZigBee does not eat much
current.

2. The hub that has ZigBee, GSM/CDMA module (US$15) with internet plan
(US$10/month) and a PIC microcontroller (US$5) capable to consume web
services. Again solar cell & battery based.

3. A remote PHP or ASP.NET web server exposing the web services. The
server is not simple. The server is massive web host. The _key point_
is that MS or other company is expected to expose such services to
their online docs.

So, a user will need to buy a number of the PIC based devices to
aqiure data, then the hub and internet plan. That's it, all the data
is going to remote data center, and the user sees the aquired data in
his on-line docs on his monitor ( be it Google docs or MS Live Office
docs) with all the available charts or whatever other software packs.

It's time to learn how to consume web services using PICs, guys.

Thanks.

2008\07\19@143321 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/18/08, Olin Lathrop <@spam@olin_piclist@spam@spamspam_OUTembedinc.com> wrote:
> You came here asking for comments on your vague data
> gathering scheme.  Then you get some and you respond
> with insults and gibberish.
> I don't know how much longer the admins are going to put
> up with this,

You old thick-skinned warrior got only 1% level insult of what a naive
defenseless newbie is getting when called a clueless bozoo, idiot or
whatever for making his very first steps into the outer EE world.

2008\07\19@165537 by olin piclist

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Tamas Rudnai wrote:
> I am sorry, now I completely lost the thread. So the webserver is on
> the PIC or is it a web server somewhere else and communicates with
> the PIC using a simple data line (aka a modem / serial interface)?
> What is the relation with the .NET or MS SQL?

The PIC is strapped to a camel where it measures fleas per square palm.  The
information is written to a camel dung disc* (Chiru dung has higher data
density because they eat smaller things and chew better, but Chirus are
getting hard to find nowadays), which is brought by high speed yak to the
nearest internyet** yurt.  The data is processed in far off Ulaanbataar by
the ministry of fleas, and after some weeks the data is sent back in plain
text that any yak jockey can read if it's translated for him.  The yak
jockey is then told that this whole thing was a big joke and is pelted with
yak dung, which lies around in the street if the flys haven't carried it off
yet.

Here we just send people on a snipe hunt or to fetch a #5 skyhook, but
amuzement is harder to come by in Outer Mongolia.


*  Digital Information Storage on Crap

** Unofficial name for left over Soviet era internet knockoff


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2008\07\19@170101 by olin piclist

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Mongol Herdsman wrote:
> So, a user will need to buy a number of the PIC based devices to
> aqiure data, then the hub and internet plan. That's it, all the data
> is going to remote data center, and the user sees the aquired data in
> his on-line docs on his monitor ( be it Google docs or MS Live Office
> docs) with all the available charts or whatever other software packs.
>
> It's time to learn how to consume web services using PICs, guys.

Not really.  Although the data is ultimately presented to the user via web
services, you still haven't given any reason why the PIC to server upload
stream needs to be web based.  A simple and private TCP protocol would be
easier to implement, at least on the PIC end where it matters.


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2008\07\19@172445 by Dave Wheeler

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OK, so my understanding is:
Number of PIC based units somewhere collecting data, so far so good
Data from PIC sent over IP to server, again should not be a problem as
Olin says, just use a simple TCP transport.
Code for this is readily available from MC
Now the data is on the server, this is where you want to do all the
work, much easier to squeeze the work into a super
duper go fast processor with a bucket load of memory and HD space to
play with.
I can't see any benefit (or point) to doing any web services at the PIC
which seems to just be a data collection and transfer unit.
Maybe I am just too simple to understand why it is trying to be so
complicated :-)
Good Luck,

Dave

2008\07\19@175327 by Tamas Rudnai

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> I can't see any benefit (or point) to doing any web services at the PIC
> which seems to just be a data collection and transfer unit.
> Maybe I am just too simple to understand why it is trying to be so
> complicated :-)

Maybe to remote and distributed access to the data using ordinary clients
like an iPhone that you use on your horse back in Gobi desert while you are
wondering how is your grape growing in New-Zealand :-) - but what I can't
see is what is the new invention on this? Is it a reinvention of the wheel
again or a slide board from the Back to the feature?

Tamas



On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Dave Wheeler <spamBeGoneg0gmkspamKILLspambtinternet.com> wrote:

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2008\07\19@175438 by cdb

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:: The PIC is strapped to a camel where it measures fleas per square
:: palm.  The
:: information is written to a camel dung disc* (Chiru dung has
:: higher data
:: density because they eat smaller things and chew better, but
:: Chirus are
:: getting hard to find nowadays), which is brought by high speed yak
:: to the
:: nearest internyet** yurt.

I'm sorry, I will be suing Olin due to choking on my morning
KornFloggur.

The unexpected assembly of relocatable humour found in QASP_EN_UK also
found in QASP_EN_US library, (where it is under the humor module)
caught me unawares whilst parsing my morning comestible mouthwards.

Now what warning level in MPASM needs to be switched on to avert this
shocking turn of events?  :-)

Colin
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2008\07\19@180644 by Jinx

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> perhaps after the feast celebrating the birthday of his favorite camel

.... or marriage *to* it

(do they allow gay marriages in Akaistan ? Probably not. One of
them will have to put a [different] frock on)

2008\07\19@181121 by Jinx

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Beauregard De La Reserche Du Temps Perdue wrote :

> Jolly good show, old chap.  Doesn't that feel better than using
> some commonly grubby handle, I mean, 'Jinx', now come on

Had a batman once, Jinx. Salt of the earth. Came from near
Sidcup I think, family were grocer's assistants. Got both legs
blown orf just outside Sidi Rezegh

> Perhaps the PicList can have a 'Pretend to be someone else' day

Take Your Pseudonym To Work Day ?

"Muppet Day" sounds appropriate. Bags I Fozzie

2008\07\19@204843 by Dr Skip

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Agreed. Simple protocol to a server, then put it in whatever form or database
from there. Optimize it for size, maybe use UDP if small the data is small but
numerous, and encrypt it (whether you need to or not at the moment - some day
you will want to and it'll be done). The more compact the easier it'll be to
use alternate physical systems to transmit, like GPRS or sat., besides yak
dung-grams...

Seems like the a revisit to the usual data collection requirements. Been
discussed in the yurt for years.

BTW, I would take a guess it's Bob Blick (even though we've never met)... I
won't say why until the herdsman comes clean though.


Olin Lathrop wrote:

> Not really.  Although the data is ultimately presented to the user via web
> services, you still haven't given any reason why the PIC to server upload
> stream needs to be web based.  A simple and private TCP protocol would be
> easier to implement, at least on the PIC end where it matters.

2008\07\19@214018 by Bob Blick

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Dr Skip wrote:

> BTW, I would take a guess it's Bob Blick (even though we've never met)... I
> won't say why until the herdsman comes clean though.

Heh. With my new admin position comes a desire NOT to stir up the herd -
and I also would never get a gmail account or anything else related to
Google.

Nice try, though.

I do think a cheap distributed datagathering method is a good idea and
I'm interested to see what MH comes up with. Just because it's been done
before doesn't mean it's been done right.

Cheerful regards,

Bob

2008\07\20@001245 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/20/08, Jinx <TakeThisOuTjoecolquitt.....spamTakeThisOuTclear.net.nz> wrote:
> > perhaps after the feast celebrating the birthday of his favorite camel
>
> .... or marriage *to* it
>
> (do they allow gay marriages in Akaistan ? Probably not. One of
> them will have to put a [different] frock on)

Poor Joe Colquitt, what a dirt are you getting James, the forum owner, into....

2008\07\20@002800 by Tony Smith

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> > perhaps after the feast celebrating the birthday of his
> favorite camel
>
> .... or marriage *to* it
>
> (do they allow gay marriages in Akaistan ? Probably not. One
> of them will have to put a [different] frock on)


So long as the camel is female (assuming Mr MT is a bloke), comes from a
neighbouring tribe and no-one else has dibs on it, I can't see the problem.

Tony

2008\07\20@002827 by Jinx

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> > perhaps after the feast celebrating the birthday of his favorite
> > camel
>
> Poor Joe Colquitt, what a dirt are you getting James, the forum
> owner, into....

I think maybe you're getting the hump


2008\07\20@003046 by Tony Smith

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> > Perhaps the PicList can have a 'Pretend to be someone else' day
>
> Take Your Pseudonym To Work Day ?
>
> "Muppet Day" sounds appropriate. Bags I Fozzie


Cool, I'll be the Swedish Chef.  Bork bork bork.  Where'd my cleaver go?

Tony

2008\07\20@003759 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/20/08, Bob Blick <TakeThisOuTbobblickKILLspamspamspamftml.net> wrote:
> I'm interested to see what MH comes up with.

I will not. Poor Joe Colquitt again.

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On 7/20/08, Jinx <.....joecolquittspamRemoveMEclear.net.nz> wrote:
> > perhaps after the feast celebrating the birthday of his favorite camel
>
> .... or marriage *to* it
>
> (do they allow gay marriages in Akaistan ? Probably not. One of
> them will have to put a [different] frock on)

2008\07\20@004228 by Bob Blick

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End this thread now, it's not [EE] or even piclist.

Thanks,

Bob


Tony Smith wrote:
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2008\07\20@022642 by Apptech

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>> > perhaps after the feast celebrating the birthday of his
>> favorite camel
>>
>> .... or marriage *to* it
>>
>> (do they allow gay marriages in Akaistan ? Probably not.
>> One
>> of them will have to put a [different] frock on)
>
>
> So long as the camel is female (assuming Mr MT is a
> bloke), comes from a
> neighbouring tribe and no-one else has dibs on it, I can't
> see the problem.

I'd suggest (whoever I am) that we have got a bit (or maybe
a byte) beyond the reasonable edge in this subset of the
current sequence.


       Russell

2008\07\20@055032 by Jinx

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> I'd suggest (whoever I am) that we have got a bit (or maybe
> a byte) beyond the reasonable edge in this subset of the
> current sequence.

My apologies. I shall say no more unless/until 'Mongol Herdsman'
decides to get technical. And even re-post under [PIC] if this will
really be a PIC project

2008\07\20@074012 by Mongol Herdsman

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Accepted.

On 7/20/08, Jinx <RemoveMEjoecolquittspamspamBeGoneclear.net.nz> wrote:
> > I'd suggest (whoever I am) that we have got a bit (or maybe
> > a byte) beyond the reasonable edge in this subset of the
> > current sequence.
>
> My apologies. I shall say no more unless/until 'Mongol Herdsman'
> decides to get technical. And even re-post under [PIC] if this will
> really be a PIC project
>
> -

2008\07\21@134555 by alan smith

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Not that I have really paying much attention to this thread..but...


Where is this magical $15 GSM/CDMA module at? Even in quantities, I havent been able to get below $40 or so.

Given the OP, and the nature of the thread, I don't think it exists

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Mongol Herdsman <spamBeGoneinner.mongolia.herd@spam@spamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:

>>
> 2. The hub that has ZigBee, GSM/CDMA module (US$15) with
> internet plan
> (US$10/month) and a PIC microcontroller (US$5) capable to
> consume web
> services. Again solar cell & battery based.
>


     

2008\07\21@164654 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/21/08, alan smith <TakeThisOuTmicro_eng2spamspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> Where is this magical $15 GSM/CDMA module at?
> Even in quantities, I havent been able to get below $40 or so.
>
> Given the OP, and the nature of the thread, I don't think it exists

Duall Band GSM modules from China.

2008\07\21@181405 by alan smith

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ummm...ok.  I still don't believe they exist unless I have a part number and vendor.  When you have that for me, then I'll give you some credibilty


--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Mongol Herdsman <inner.mongolia.herdEraseMEspamgmail.com> wrote:

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2008\07\21@184326 by Tony Smith

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> > Where is this magical $15 GSM/CDMA module at?
> > Even in quantities, I havent been able to get below $40 or so.
> >
> > Given the OP, and the nature of the thread, I don't think it exists
>
> Duall Band GSM modules from China.


Supplier?
Part number?
Minimum quantity for $US15?
Samples?

Tony

2008\07\21@195741 by Apptech

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I'll leave this in [EE] as it is of (potential) relevance in
a wider EE sense.


>> Duall Band GSM modules from China.

> Supplier?
> Part number?
> Minimum quantity for $US15?
> Samples?

Importantly:

Standards compliance in all relevant areas.
Code ownership.
Patent compliance issues.
Warranties.
Manufacturer's track record.
Certainty of supply continuity.
Second sourcing.
Factory inspection a good idea.
Verification that it's their factory and not somebody
else's.
More ... .

Quality assurance out of China is an extremely significant
issue.
Very high performance at very low price means that you
really want to have all questions answered if you are
relying on the product for the survival of your business or
business model. If you can second source (or N source) the
product at a similar price then it's not so important. eg if
you said 'Dual band GSM modems at $US50 ...' it would
probably not be an issue.


       Russell

2008\07\21@205036 by M. Adam Davis

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Keep in mind the original specified application did NOT specify the US
market, and in fact could well have described an area of the world
where regulations aren't enforced, and the only good measure is "does
it work most of the time when I'm looking".

The reality is that the chips and assembly are very inexpensive, it's
the royalties, patents, trademarks, etc that cost so much.

-Adam

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2008\07\21@231453 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/22/08, Apptech <spamBeGoneapptechEraseMEspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> if you said 'Dual band GSM modems at $US50 ...' it would
> probably not be an issue.

,,, modules, not modems

2008\07\21@233329 by Apptech

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>> if you said 'Dual band GSM modems at $US50 ...' it would
>> probably not be an issue.

> ,,, modules, not modems

Them too ...


       R

2008\07\21@233347 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/22/08, Apptech <apptechspamBeGonespamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> if you said 'Dual band GSM modems at $US50 ...' it would
> probably not be an issue.

US$50 is the _retail_ price of "Nokia 1200" GSM 900/1800 mobile with
700 mAh battery, LCD, power supply etc

2008\07\21@235454 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/22/08, Apptech <RemoveMEapptech@spam@spamspamBeGoneparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> if you said 'Dual band GSM modems at $US50 ...' it would
> >> probably not be an issue.
>
> > ,,, modules, not modems
>
> Them too ...

Modules are considerably cheaper. And I did not mention modems. The
frase "if you said 'Dual band GSM modems" is irrelevnt to what I said.
(Sorry for the occasional misspellings).

2008\07\22@004749 by Mongol Herdsman

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On 7/22/08, Tony Smith <.....ajsmith@spam@spamEraseMEbeagle.com.au> wrote:
> > Duall Band GSM modules from China.
>
>
> Supplier?
> Part number?
> Minimum quantity for $US15?
> Samples?
>
> Tony

After you wrote:

On 7/20/08, Tony Smith <.....ajsmithRemoveMEspambeagle.com.au> wrote:
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you'll get the only reply, f*ck off you dirty pervert.

2008\07\22@012038 by cdb

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There is a company called XGSM in Rumania, who sometimes sell modules
cheaply. Their payment system isn't the best though, will only deal
with Western Union internationally.

I've certainly purchased surplus modules cheaply, though they were
'ancient'.

Colin
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2008\07\22@013355 by Jinx

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> for everyone to ignore his future provocations

Whoever it is, I'm fed up of them and this thread seems pointless.
"They" can be the first inductees into my Blocked Senders

2008\07\22@040902 by Tony Smith

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Tsk, such language, young man.  Doesn't do your credibility any good, and
you've avoided the question that others asked as well.  What reason do you
have for fobbing them off, are they dirty perverts too?

This thread is following the classic conman / scam arc, all that's missing
is the revenue raising bit.  Not to say you are, of course, but answering
the question (how about a link to a datasheet?) will help.

Tony


2008\07\22@054229 by Apptech

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>> > Duall Band GSM modules from China.
>>
>>
>> Supplier?
>> Part number?
>> Minimum quantity for $US15?
>> Samples?

Pricing seems hard to come by without inquiry.
Many examples.


   http://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/GSM_Module.html



           Russell

2008\07\22@063721 by Mohit (Lists)

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Vitaliy wrote:
> The name of the disturbed young man is Tomás Ó hÉilidhe.

Doubt it. He's not familiar enough with PIC programming to talk about
relocatable and absolute coding. He's also not that familiar with
Olin's suggested debugging technique to some, of waving a dead fish
while the moon is in a certain phase.

It may be someone from the Microchip forum, where Olin doesn't post
anymore since just after the rating system started.

--
Mohit Mahajan,
http://www.BioZen.co.in

2008\07\22@064733 by Tony Smith

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> >> > Duall Band GSM modules from China.
> >>
> >>
> >> Supplier?
> >> Part number?
> >> Minimum quantity for $US15?
> >> Samples?
>
> Pricing seems hard to come by without inquiry.
> Many examples.


The supplier name for the 'GSM/CDMA module $15' should be easy enough to
provide, even if pricing can't (NDA etc).

Tony

2008\07\22@083320 by Apptech

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>> >> > Duall Band GSM modules from China.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Supplier?
>> >> Part number?
>> >> Minimum quantity for $US15?
>> >> Samples?
>>
>> Pricing seems hard to come by without inquiry.
>> Many examples.
>
>
> The supplier name for the 'GSM/CDMA module $15' should be
> easy enough to
> provide, even if pricing can't (NDA etc).

Yes.
Although it may have been a generic statement.
And it may in fact have been not too far wrong, or even
wholly correct.

My points were that there are MANY Chinese based GSM modules
advertised as available (words carefully chosen) but that
unfortunately, getting pricing requires dancing the AliBaba
/ Global Specs / etc dance with suppliers. My own
experiences are that it is excruciating trying to get
pricing from people who advertise products or who answer
queries, that you get lots of rubbish along the way and that
some people just ignore genuine queries.


       Russell

2008\07\23@165318 by alan smith

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OK, so its pretty much decided that these modules don't exist.  Too bad.


--- On Mon, 7/21/08, alan smith <RemoveMEmicro_eng2spamspamBeGoneyahoo.com> wrote:

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'[EE] PIC based ASP.NET/SQL client.'
2008\08\18@161934 by Dario Greggio
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Mongol Herdsman wrote:


> It's time to learn how to consume web services using PICs, guys.

I can do that, seriously.

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