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2009\01\03@133753 by Kevin

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Anybody get a board lost in the mail from Olimex ? Did they
ever resolve the issue for you ? I emailed Tsvetan and he
said their is nothing he can do unless the board comes back
to him.  It was shipped on 12/1/08 to Philadelphia PA. I
have not received it. Last time I ordered a board from
Olimex I got it in 6 days.  Oh yeah, I paid for the board on
11/18/08. I guess they don't have a refund policy !!!

Thanks,
Kevin

2009\01\03@150733 by Carl Denk

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Usually when a common carrier that has been agreed to by the receiver
accepts the package, that is considered transfer of title unless agreed
otherwise. Then shipping is at the receiver's risk. If the order value
is significant, then insurance should have been required, plus a
tracking number.  Having said that, it doesn't take many shipments where
the insurance  fee adds up to making a gamble and "Self Insuring". For
domestic shipments it's almost rare for a package to get lost.
Understanding this is not a domestic shipment, and the time of year with
holiday shipments,  I probably would have opted for a domestic source,
and I'm not saying anything against Olimex. By specifying UPS, FEDEX,
DHL or the like, probably would have drove the cost to make domestic
less costly.

Kevin wrote:
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2009\01\03@152759 by olin piclist

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Kevin wrote:
> Anybody get a board lost in the mail from Olimex ? Did they
> ever resolve the issue for you ? I emailed Tsvetan and he
> said their is nothing he can do unless the board comes back
> to him.  It was shipped on 12/1/08 to Philadelphia PA. I
> have not received it. Last time I ordered a board from
> Olimex I got it in 6 days.  Oh yeah, I paid for the board on
> 11/18/08. I guess they don't have a refund policy !!!

A lost shipment is the sender's problem unless he can show proof of
delivery.  That's one reason I always send foreign orders out with return
receipt.  With the US post office, that also forces it to go registered,
which greatly cuts down on the package falling off a truck in the first
place.

Within the US I send with priority mail, and use delivery confirmation for
anything over $50.  The USPS is actually quite efficient and reliable
despite people that like to grumble.  The delivery confirmation is more to
protect me from a dirtbag trying to get something for free by claiming they
never got the order.

I've only once had a problem with a priority mail package.  It was about
$2000 worth of PIC programmers, and the customer didn't receive it in about
a week.  Eventually it was found in the Reno NV post office and delivered,
about two weeks late.

I don't know what the laws in Romania are about who is reponsible for lost
shipments.  However, at the practical level it doesn't really matter.
You've paid, so it's your problem since you're not likely to go to Romania
to demand your money back.  If he won't refund your money and won't resend
the order, then about all you can do is put Olimex on your Never Again list
and warn everyone else away too.  In the end that will cost him more than
refunding your money, but if he can't see that for himself he deserves the
hit.

I don't do business with Olimex either, but that is for different reasons.
They are the only PC house that would force me to change my design rules,
and I don't appreciated being very tersely dismissed and otherwise treated
like a criminal for asking them to quote on the same package several other
places were able to quote on without further questions.  No thanks.


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2009\01\03@153842 by solarwind

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On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Kevin <spam_OUTkbenTakeThisOuTspamdca.net> wrote:
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> Anybody get a board lost in the mail from Olimex ? Did they
> ever resolve the issue for you ? I emailed Tsvetan and he
> said their is nothing he can do unless the board comes back
> to him.  It was shipped on 12/1/08 to Philadelphia PA. I
> have not received it. Last time I ordered a board from
> Olimex I got it in 6 days.  Oh yeah, I paid for the board on
> 11/18/08. I guess they don't have a refund policy !!!
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin

How do you know it was _lost_? I ordered some parts from Futurlec and
they said delivery time is two weeks (to arrive at your door). I
waited past that time and nothing arrived. I collaborated with them
over email and they offered to resend, but the package FINALLY arrived
- one month after the order was placed.

It could be that your order is just a bit late and probably not lost.


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2009\01\03@154747 by Chris Smolinski

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>Within the US I send with priority mail, and use delivery confirmation for
>anything over $50.  The USPS is actually quite efficient and reliable
>despite people that like to grumble.  The delivery confirmation is more to
>protect me from a dirtbag trying to get something for free by claiming they
>never got the order.

I use priority mail also, and have had excellent results. Outside the
US I use USPS as well; the rates are much less than UPS/FedEx, and
I've heard horror stories of the latter extorting the recipients for
huge "customs fees".

I remember one case where the package seemed to vanish (sadly the one
downside to priority mail is the next-to-useless tracking). I sent
another unit to the customer. He then returned it, saying that he
wanted a refund. While processing that, I remembered that the
original shipment was lost. So I punched in the tracking number, and
sure enough, it was delivered. I got copies of the signature
confirmations from USPS, and emailed them to him. His reply was that
he assumed that I got reimbursed because the first package seemed to
have been lost in the mail, so what he was doing was OK.  Sigh.

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2009\01\03@154924 by Jon Chandler

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I too have had a bad experience with Olimex.  I brought one of their
programmers from Sparkfun and when it was time to update the firmware, it
didn't work with a message about being upgraded too many times.  When I
contacted Olimex, I was told that it was a copy protection feature, and I had
obviously made many copies of the firmware for all my friends.  When I replied
that this was the first time I had even tried to update it, the reply was that
Sparkfun must have stolen the firmware and sold me an illegitimate copy.
Fortunately, I had purchased this product through Sparkfun and they made good
on it.

The PICKit2 was cheaper (and a far better solution) than a paid update from
Olimex would have been.

Jon



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2009\01\03@160722 by solarwind

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On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jon Chandler <.....chandlerKILLspamspam@spam@seanet.com> wrote:
> I too have had a bad experience with Olimex.  I brought one of their
> programmers from Sparkfun and when it was time to update the firmware, it
> didn't work with a message about being upgraded too many times.  When I
> contacted Olimex, I was told that it was a copy protection feature, and I had
> obviously made many copies of the firmware for all my friends.  When I replied
> that this was the first time I had even tried to update it, the reply was that
> Sparkfun must have stolen the firmware and sold me an illegitimate copy.
> Fortunately, I had purchased this product through Sparkfun and they made good
> on it.

This is EXACTLY why people pirate stuff. People don't like to be
treated like criminals.

> The PICKit2 was cheaper (and a far better solution) than a paid update from
> Olimex would have been.

Yeah, the PICKIT2 is the best.

> Jon

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2009\01\03@163005 by olin piclist

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Chris Smolinski wrote:
>> The
>> delivery confirmation is more to protect me from a dirtbag trying to
>> get something for free by claiming they never got the order.
>
> I remember one case where the package seemed to vanish (sadly the one
> downside to priority mail is the next-to-useless tracking). I sent
> another unit to the customer. He then returned it, saying that he
> wanted a refund. While processing that, I remembered that the
> original shipment was lost. So I punched in the tracking number, and
> sure enough, it was delivered. I got copies of the signature
> confirmations from USPS, and emailed them to him. His reply was that
> he assumed that I got reimbursed because the first package seemed to
> have been lost in the mail, so what he was doing was OK.

That's what I meant by "dirtbag".  And you're right, I use signature
confirmation too, not delivery confirmation, on orders of $50 or more.
Delivery confirmation is free if you use Click and Ship, which is way better
than standing in line at the post office in any case.


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2009\01\03@165234 by Jinx

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> His reply was that he assumed that I got reimbursed because the
> first package seemed to have been lost in the mail, so what he was
> doing was OK.  Sigh

If that had happened to me and I was ticked off enough I might have
considered looking into a fraud complaint

OTOH, occassionally packages I have couriered here are not brought
down to the house, as always always requested, but left in the mailbox
up on the road, in plain view of my neighbours, their visitors, and any
opportunist who feels like it's their birthday

You understand that couriers are busy, but that doesn't mean they have
to be lazy or unprofessional. It's other people's money they're playing
with

2009\01\03@165755 by Jinx

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> the reply was that Sparkfun must have stolen the firmware and sold
> me an illegitimate copy

I'm sure Sparkfun would find that less than amusing

2009\01\03@181711 by olin piclist

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solarwind wrote:
> This is EXACTLY why people pirate stuff. People don't like to be
> treated like criminals.

No that's merely a justification.  People pirate stuff because they don't
want to pay.


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2009\01\03@203554 by Bob Blick

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Let's move this OT as this is not really an engineering item.

Thanks,

Bob


Kevin wrote:
> Anybody get a board lost in the mail from Olimex ? Did they
> ever resolve the issue for you ? I emailed Tsvetan and he
> said their is nothing he can do unless the board comes back
> to him.  It was shipped on 12/1/08 to Philadelphia PA. I
> have not received it. Last time I ordered a board from
> Olimex I got it in 6 days.  Oh yeah, I paid for the board on
> 11/18/08. I guess they don't have a refund policy !!!
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin

2009\01\05@041921 by Vitaliy

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"Olin Lathrop" wrote:
> If he won't refund your money and won't resend
> the order, then about all you can do is put Olimex on your Never Again
> list
> and warn everyone else away too.  In the end that will cost him more than
> refunding your money, but if he can't see that for himself he deserves the
> hit.
>
> I don't do business with Olimex either, but that is for different reasons.
> They are the only PC house that would force me to change my design rules,
> and I don't appreciated being very tersely dismissed and otherwise treated
> like a criminal for asking them to quote on the same package several other
> places were able to quote on without further questions.  No thanks.

Last time we've had to deal with Olimex was about five years ago, and
although I don't remember the specifics, I do recall that the reply that I
received to one of my emails, was bordering on rude.

I have a feeling that thanks to a number of companies that offer cheap PCB
services that have popped up in the US in the years since (including one
that is a subsidiary of Sparkfun), it no longer makes sense for non-European
customers to buy PCBs from Olimex.

They're still around, so the quality of their products and service must be
acceptable at least to some people.

Vitaliy

2009\01\05@092634 by peter green

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>They are the only PC house that would force me to change my design rules
What exactly did they want you to change? Afaict all cheap basic board
services have design rules that you have to follow.
> They're still around, so the quality of their products and service must be
> acceptable at least to some people.
>  
I haven't personally had basic PCBs manufactured commercially though I
have looked into it (I found it a little too expensive for hobby stuff
and for stuff I do for the UNI the UNI have thier own PCB facility for
basic boards)

Last I checked no other vendor i'm aware of in the EU came close on
price to olimex (though this may have changed with the recent fall of
the pound) . Ordering from outside the EU is a possibility but for small
orders (single panel or so) the customs handling fees (£10 if it comes
through the post, a lot more if it comes by courior) would generally
make that a more expensive option (at least if the package gets charged
import VAT, some packages seem to slip through)

2009\01\05@094355 by Larry Bradley

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Vitaliy:

I've not had a board done for some time (I'm a hobbyist, so I just get one done every once in a while). I use Olimex - used to be about $35 US for a board, somewhat more now.

Can you suggest US or Canadian companies that will do single boards for reasonable prices? When I last looked into this, I couldn't find anyone even close to Olimex prices.

Thanks

Larry

Ottawa, CANADA




Last time we've had to deal with Olimex was about five years ago, and
although I don't remember the specifics, I do recall that the reply that I
received to one of my emails, was bordering on rude.

I have a feeling that thanks to a number of companies that offer cheap PCB
services that have popped up in the US in the years since (including one
that is a subsidiary of Sparkfun), it no longer makes sense for non-European
customers to buy PCBs from Olimex.

They're still around, so the quality of their products and service must be
acceptable at least to some people.

Vitaliy

2009\01\05@124633 by Forrest W Christian

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Larry Bradley wrote:
> Can you suggest US or Canadian companies that will do single boards for reasonable prices? When I last looked into this, I couldn't find anyone even close to Olimex prices.
>  
Not US or Canadian, but I just got my first set of boards back from
pcbgeek.com, which was recommended by someone else on this list.

200 sq inches for $89.90 delivered to the US.   Not bad.  Took about 2
weeks, and I ended up with a small pile of boards, which looked really nice.

-forrest

2009\01\05@140436 by olin piclist

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peter green wrote:
> Last I checked no other vendor i'm aware of in the EU came close on
> price to olimex (though this may have changed with the recent fall of
> the pound) .

I don't know what Olimex's price is, but I routinely use Gold Pheonix for
prototypes.  It's $109 for 100 square inches, 2 layers, any number of
boards, delivered to my office usually in a little under two weeks.  Given
that it's no hassle, they don't have a problem with my design rules, and
aren't deliberately rude, I'd stick to them even if Olimex were free.


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2009\01\05@141508 by olin piclist

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Forrest W Christian wrote:
> 200 sq inches for $89.90 delivered to the US.

Was that tested though?  Do they have top and bottom solder mask and at
least top side silkscreen?  The really cheap deals I've seen don't have
these, so they're not really that cheap after all.


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2009\01\05@144434 by Vitaliy

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"Forrest W Christian" wrote:
>> Can you suggest US or Canadian companies that will do single boards for
>> reasonable prices? When I last looked into this, I couldn't find anyone
>> even close to Olimex prices.
>>
> Not US or Canadian, but I just got my first set of boards back from
> pcbgeek.com, which was recommended by someone else on this list.
>
> 200 sq inches for $89.90 delivered to the US.   Not bad.  Took about 2
> weeks, and I ended up with a small pile of boards, which looked really
> nice.

BatchPCB.com is the service run by Sparkfun, they charge $2.50/sq. inch for
2 layer boards:

http://www.batchpcb.com/

Disclaimer: I have not used them myself since our orders are usually time
sensitive, and we get our boards from Advanced Circuits
(http://www.4pcb.com). However, in general Sparkfun is known for their
quality and good service.

If you're a student, you can take advantage of Advanced Circuit's offer ($33
for one PCB, up to 60 sq. in.) as long as you don't mind the wait (~1 month)
and have the boards shipped to a college or university address.

Best regards,

Vitaliy

2009\01\05@144744 by peter green

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> I don't know what Olimex's price is, but I routinely use Gold Pheonix for
> prototypes.  It's $109 for 100 square inches, 2 layers, any number of
> boards,
Taking the smallest unit offered in each case

Gold Phoenix
$99 base price
$10 shipping to a destination outside north america
total $109
convert to euros thats E80 (roughly) for 650 square centimeters or about
12 eurocents per square centimeter

Olimex
E30 base price
E5.50 shipping
total ex VAT E35.50
VAT at 20% E7.10
total E42.60 for 160 square centimeters or about 26 eurocents per square
centimeter.

So Gold Phoenix have a lower price per square centimeter but olimex have
a smaller minimum order cost.

All this is assuming Gold Phoenix lie on the customs form (which
apparently they do) or the package otherwise slips through customs. If
they decide not to lie on the customs form and the package doesn't slip
through then you will have to add import VAT and customs handling
charges to those prices. That can potentially add a lot to the price
(especially if they are sent with a courior that likes to put on
stupidly high customs handling charges).


2009\01\05@145303 by Dan Smith

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2009/1/5 Olin Lathrop <olin_piclistspamKILLspamembedinc.com>:
> I don't know what Olimex's price is, but I routinely use Gold Pheonix for
> prototypes.  It's $109 for 100 square inches, 2 layers, any number of
> boards, delivered to my office usually in a little under two weeks.

I've used Gold Phoenix for both prototype and production quantities.
Their service has been fantastic - quick turnaround and high quality
boards.

Dan

2009\01\05@150931 by Vitaliy

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"Dan Smith" wrote:
>> I don't know what Olimex's price is, but I routinely use Gold Pheonix for
>> prototypes.  It's $109 for 100 square inches, 2 layers, any number of
>> boards, delivered to my office usually in a little under two weeks.
>
> I've used Gold Phoenix for both prototype and production quantities.
> Their service has been fantastic - quick turnaround and high quality
> boards.

Lady Ada has a PCB Cost calculator:

http://www.ladyada.net/library/pcb/costcalc.html

Vitaliy

2009\01\05@151740 by Forrest W Christian

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Top posted.. sorry... :)  Too much context needed to trim & bottom post...

Doubt the electrical testing but you would have to ask.....   Besides
that, yes it is a full spec, mask both sides, silkscreen both sides
(although I do top-only), HASL (not specified, but that's what it looks
like), 1oz copper, 8 mil trace/space, 18mil min hole board.    For me, I
sent a ~20 sq in design, and ended up with ~20 boards back for the $89.99.

The boards look really good, at least the first order.  We will see
about long-term repeatability.   That said, I'm going to start using
them for my final prototypes where I want quite a few boards with silk
and mask, or one-offs where I figure the design is pretty accurate and
I'm not needing them the end of the week.

For true prototype boards, I will still use AP circuits in Canada, since
when I'm doing "is this design correct" work, I rarely need silkscreen
or mask, and in fact, an unmasked board is easier to do "manual
re-routes" on if something is wrong.   Yes, there are some things you
have to do to your design to keep the costs low at AP circuits, but I've
pretty much got all my footprints set such that it isn't an issue.

-forrest

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2009\01\05@152114 by Forrest W Christian

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Just a point of comparison...

Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Was that tested though?
Doesn't look like the lowest-end gold phoenix board is tested either.  
That is, they charge $20 extra for electrical test.

-forrest

2009\01\05@153613 by Dwayne Reid

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At 12:15 PM 1/5/2009, Olin Lathrop wrote:

>Forrest W Christian wrote:
> > 200 sq inches for $89.90 delivered to the US.
>
>Was that tested though?  Do they have top and bottom solder mask and at
>least top side silkscreen?  The really cheap deals I've seen don't have
>these, so they're not really that cheap after all.

I think that I was the first person to mention PCBgeek.com so I'll
jump in here:

I've now received at least 6 or 7 different boards back from them so
far (might be more - I'd have to check).

These are full production-type boards: top and bottom solder mask,
top and bottom silkscreen, route to shape.  Unlimited holes and vias,
no apparent restriction on drill sizes.

One panel of 200 square inches is US $59 plus $30 shipping to both
Canada and the USA.  Doubling the order size to 2 panels of the same
design (400 to 450 sq in total) adds cost of $25 plus an extra $15
shipping ($40 total).

Quality has been excellent.  I saw signs of hand touch-up on one
batch of boards - some traces near one end had obviously been touched
up but the boards looked OK and we had no problem with them after
they had been assembled.

I have no idea whether the boards are electrically tested or not but
none of the boards that we have received have had any problems.


Be aware that there are language and understanding issues.  The first
couple of orders had all holes plated-through even though a separate
un-plated holes drill file was supplied and specified.  Later orders
have not had that problem.

Another problem: one order was supposed to be sent to me as panels of
5 boards with V-score lines separating the boards.  What I got back
was a pile of individual boards.  I suspect the next time I need to
do that, it also won't be a problem.

For what its worth, I've now received small production quantities
(200 pcs each) of 3 different boards from PCBgeek.  Their prices were
about half of my regular supplier.  Two of the boards are
double-sided, one is single-sided.  No problems at all with any of
this most recent batch of boards.


Something also worth mentioning: PCBgeek's website mentions that they
can also supply laser-cut stencils as well as prototype SMT
assembly.  I have not used either of those services.

dwayne

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2009\01\05@184649 by olin piclist

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Forrest W Christian wrote:
> Doesn't look like the lowest-end gold phoenix board is tested either.
> That is, they charge $20 extra for electrical test.

Right.  That's why I quoted $109 for 100 square inches.  That price includes
testing.  You always want them to test.  The only reason it's optional so
that they can put the untested price in a big banner somewhere and make it
look like their cheaper than they really are.


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2009\01\06@165507 by Gary Crowell

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I can second PCBGeek.  The board I did with them recently was .75"x2.5" and
we got back 100 of them for 90 bucks.  Silkscreen did some 60mil lettering
with no legibility problems. Nice flat HASL; no flaws in the soldermask that
I can see.  All 100 boards look perfectly usable.  We'll use them again.

Gary

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2009\01\07@012352 by Ariel Rocholl

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2009/1/3 Olin Lathrop <olin_piclistspamspam_OUTembedinc.com>

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> I don't know what the laws in Romania are about who is reponsible for lost
> shipments.  However, at the practical level it doesn't really matter.
> You've paid, so it's your problem since you're not likely to go to Romania
> to demand your money back.  If he won't refund your money and won't resend
> the order, then about all you can do is put Olimex on your Never Again list
> and warn everyone else away too.  In the end that will cost him more than
> refunding your money, but if he can't see that for himself he deserves the
> hit.
>
>
Just for the record, note Olimex is in Bulgaria not Romania.

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2009\01\07@074335 by Kevin

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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Gary Crowell wrote:

> I can second PCBGeek.  The board I did with them recently was .75"x2.5" and
> we got back 100 of them for 90 bucks.  Silkscreen did some 60mil lettering
> with no legibility problems. Nice flat HASL; no flaws in the soldermask that
> I can see.  All 100 boards look perfectly usable.  We'll use them again.
>
> Gary
>
 Olimex was $51 US delivered, so it was a little more than
half that price. I was able to squeeze the three boards I
needed onto their 160mm X 100 mm panel. I am OK with their
design rules, because I am a hobbyist. I also like the silk
screen and solder mask, none of the other board houses offer
that for the price.
However, my has still not arrived so $89 seems to be the
better deal at this time. I could have sent the board Fed Ex
but then the price would have been about $100 US.
So PCBGeek is looking better all the time.

Regards,
Kevin

2009\01\07@082522 by olin piclist

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Kevin wrote:
> Olimex was $51 US delivered,

Clearly not:

> However, my has still not arrived

So it's only $51 *not* delivered.


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2009\01\07@093826 by Larry Bradley

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Is a $51 board not delivered cheaper than a $95 board not delivered? Can Olimex not deliver a board faster than the other company? So many questions --- so few answers :)

Larry



Original Message:
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Kevin wrote:
> Olimex was $51 US delivered,

Clearly not:

> However, my has still not arrived

So it's only $51 *not* delivered.


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2009\01\07@123250 by Marcel Duchamp

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Larry Bradley wrote:
> Is a $51 board not delivered cheaper than a $95 board not delivered? Can Olimex not deliver a board faster than the other company? So many questions --- so few answers :)
>
> Larry
>

I can sell you not-delivered boards cheaper than that!  I guarantee not
delivering boards for only $25 each, any size, including up to 32 layer
multilayer boards.  Plus $10 each for not testing them.

2009\01\07@193014 by Tamas Rudnai

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> Is a $51 board not delivered cheaper than a $95 board not delivered? Can
Olimex not deliver a board faster than the other company? So many questions
--- so few answers :)

There was this joke:

Little Cohn is going home and as soon as arrives starts shouting with a big
excitement:

- Mom, mom, I have just saved 1 euro and 95 cents today!
- How did you do that?
- I was waiting for the bus, but when then it arrived I did not take it, I
was running right behind it instead - so I saved on the ticket

The mother gives a huge slap on Cohn's face

- Mom?! Why did you do that?
- You could save much more by running behind a cab!

Tamas



On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Larry Bradley <@spam@larry.bradleyKILLspamspamncf.ca> wrote:

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2009\01\07@195003 by Jinx

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> Is a $51 board not delivered cheaper than a $95 board not delivered?

Can't remember where I heard this

Man wanting to buy something, told it's $50

"That's a bit steep isn't it ? The store down the road has them for $40"
"Why don't you go and buy one down there then ?"
"They're out of stock"
"Oh, ours are $35 when we don't have any"

> Can Olimex not deliver a board faster than the other company?

See you at the End Of Time

2009\01\07@195419 by Forrest W. Christian

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Marcel Duchamp wrote:
> I can sell you not-delivered boards cheaper than that! I guarantee not
> delivering boards for only $25 each, any size, including up to 32
> layer multilayer boards. Plus $10 each for not testing them.
Is this what you call a race to the bottom?

Pretty soon you'll be paying the customer for the privilege of not
delivering boards to them, and hoping to make it up in volume...

-forrest

2009\01\12@073246 by Jonathan Hallameyer

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>
> I can sell you not-delivered boards cheaper than that!  I guarantee not
> delivering boards for only $25 each, any size, including up to 32 layer
> multilayer boards.  Plus $10 each for not testing them.
>

Sounds like a deal, but do you do buried vias?
--
Jonathan Hallameyer

2009\01\12@080221 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> I can sell you not-delivered boards cheaper than that!  I guarantee not
>> delivering boards for only $25 each, any size, including up to 32 layer
>> multilayer boards.  Plus $10 each for not testing them.
>>
>
>Sounds like a deal, but do you do buried vias?

For that price he can probably bury the whole PCB ... ;)))

2009\01\12@131301 by apptech

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>> I can sell you not-delivered boards cheaper than that!  I guarantee not
>> delivering boards for only $25 each, any size, including up to 32 layer
>> multilayer boards.  Plus $10 each for not testing them.

> Sounds like a deal, but do you do buried vias?

Only at cross-roads (peferably at midnight).
Stake-throughs optionals.


                       Russell

2009\01\31@085713 by Kevin

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Apparently I spoke prematurely :)  The boards arrived
yesterday. Sent 12/1/08, arrived 1/30/09 60 days
Last time I ordered about a year ago they took 6 days to
arrive.

Thanks to all those who offered to take my money and not
ship anything to me. I think I will stick with Olimex. :)

Regards,
Kevin

2009\01\31@140637 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Apparently I spoke prematurely :)  The boards arrived
> yesterday. Sent 12/1/08, arrived 1/30/09 60 days
> Last time I ordered about a year ago they took 6 days to
> arrive.

I once sent a package within the Netherlands that took IIRC 3 months to
arrive. By then the customer had complained, I had resent, and he had
received that second package. He returned the delayed one. This was an
extreme case, but excessively long delays do happen.

In December last year I ordered some stuff from BGM (USA). The shipment
was three packages. Two arrived within a week or two. The next week
another package arrived, with the correct tax-and-import-duties bill for
the third package. But when I later on opened that package it contained
2 pairs of old football shoes. I complained to the shipper. It took them
3 weeks to get me the correct package. They did not yet collect the
football shoes...

--

Wouter van Ooijen

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2009\01\31@141728 by Michael Algernon

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60 days ?? How were they shipped ?   If you buy from me, shipping will  
be 90 days guaranteed !
MA
> On Jan 31, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Kevin wrote:
>
>
> Apparently I spoke prematurely :)  The boards arrived
> yesterday. Sent 12/1/08, arrived 1/30/09 60 days
> Last time I ordered about a year ago they took 6 days to
> arrive.
>
> Thanks to all those who offered to take my money and not
> ship anything to me. I think I will stick with Olimex. :)
>
> Regards,
> Kevin


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2009\01\31@142637 by Forrest W Christian

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See, you should have taken us up on our offers...

All of us would have been a lot faster at delivering nothing than Olimex
was at delivering someting...   and our outcome would have been
consistent and reliable.   In fact, it would have been so consistent, we
could probably be certified to be compliant with one of the ISO 9000
standards...

-forrest

Kevin wrote:
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2009\01\31@183702 by Alan B. Pearce

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>All of us would have been a lot faster at delivering nothing
>than Olimex was at delivering someting...   and our outcome
>would have been consistent and reliable.   In fact, it would
>have been so consistent, we could probably be certified to be
>compliant with one of the ISO 9000 standards...

<VBG> this is the bit about ISO 9000 that makes me laugh ... you could
conceivably get accreditation for doing exactly this ...

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