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2007\07\02@173144 by James Newton, Host

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Has anyone tried Kicad? Good news / bad news?

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad

It looks freaking awesome...

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2007\07\02@174417 by Harold Hallikainen

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That DOES look nice! I'll give it a try on my linux laptop. Something I'd
like to see for stuff like this is library wikis where users contribute
schematic symbols, footprints, etc. so we don't all have to do something
that's already been done.

Harold


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2007\07\02@174422 by Bob Axtell

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James Newton, Host wrote:
> Has anyone tried Kicad? Good news / bad news?
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> http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad
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> It looks freaking awesome...
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So far, it indeed looks awesome. I wonder if anybody can port OrCad
Parts Libraries to this package?
See, the real labor is in the parts libraries, not the drawing package...

--Bob

2007\07\02@175400 by Bob Axtell

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Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> That DOES look nice! I'll give it a try on my linux laptop. Something I'd
> like to see for stuff like this is library wikis where users contribute
> schematic symbols, footprints, etc. so we don't all have to do something
> that's already been done.
>
> Harold
>  
GREAT idea, Harold! My former message indicates the need for a library
conversion utility from OrCad
Capture. Maybe I can write that if I can understand how his libraries go
together...

--Bob

2007\07\02@182135 by Dr Skip

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> Harold Hallikainen wrote:
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>> That DOES look nice! I'll give it a try on my linux laptop. Something I'd
>> like to see for stuff like this is library wikis where users contribute
>> schematic symbols, footprints, etc. so we don't all have to do something
>> that's already been done.
>>
>> Harold
>>  
Isn't that what's on his libraries page, although in simple format?

-Skip

2007\07\02@182859 by Philip Pemberton

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James Newton, Host wrote:
> Has anyone tried Kicad? Good news / bad news?
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> http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad

I've been learning it as an alternative to OrCAD SDT/386+ and EAGLE. So far, I
like it.

EAGLE excels for smallish designs, but KiCAD seems to be a more viable
proposition for bigger/more complex designs. The autorouter is (from what I've
heard) pretty basic, but the framework and all the basic features are there.

The thing I really like about KiCAD is that it behaves similarly to SDT/386,
barring the fact that it's got a nice GUI in front of it (and the option to
unhide power pins!).

I've got a couple of designs in the pipeline, all of which are being designed
with KiCAD. I'll pass final judgement when I've had a good play.

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2007\07\02@184855 by alan smith

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too bad it doesn't have simulation.....looks like we might be moving to a package that includes that...Altium....
 
 For my consulting....i've already invested into the Eagle PRO package.  I never use the autorouter so that hasn't been an issue for me.

Philip Pemberton <EraseMEpiclistspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTphilpem.me.uk> wrote:
 James Newton, Host wrote:
> Has anyone tried Kicad? Good news / bad news?
>
> http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad

I've been learning it as an alternative to OrCAD SDT/386+ and EAGLE. So far, I
like it.

EAGLE excels for smallish designs, but KiCAD seems to be a more viable
proposition for bigger/more complex designs. The autorouter is (from what I've
heard) pretty basic, but the framework and all the basic features are there.

The thing I really like about KiCAD is that it behaves similarly to SDT/386,
barring the fact that it's got a nice GUI in front of it (and the option to
unhide power pins!).

I've got a couple of designs in the pipeline, all of which are being designed
with KiCAD. I'll pass final judgement when I've had a good play.

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2007\07\02@191114 by Harold Hallikainen

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I haven't looked at the library definitions, but I'd really like to see
links of files. For example,

PadFile - Describes the shape and other characteristics of a pad
FootprintFile - References PadFiles and provides position information on
pads plus component references, outline drawings, etc.
SchematicSymbolFile - Provides information needed to draw the schematic
symbol.
PartFile - Reference the previous three files to define a part. Adds
additional information, such as description, manufacturer part numbers,
costs, etc.
NetListFile - References PartFiles and provides interconnection information

All files would be ASCII, probably XML.

Previous CAD systems I've worked with create binary blobs for each of
these files, and you cannot look at the file contents when something goes
wrong. Having these as ascii files, and a separate file for each PadFile,
FootprintFile, etc. allows simple cut and paste or download from a user
contributed wiki database.

Harold



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2007\07\02@215106 by enkitec

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       I tried Kicad, but unfortunately it doesn't install correctly on my
WXP machine. There are two missing vertical toolbars on all modules.
       Asked for the help on two Yahoo groups and got nothing.
       Some smart guy even told me to recompile Kicad on my machine...

       Just another piece of bad software, completely useless for me...

       Mark



On 2 Jul 2007 at 14:31, James Newton, Host wrote:

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2007\07\02@221121 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Jul 2, 2007, at 6:50 PM, KILLspamenkitecKILLspamspamgmail.com wrote:
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> Just another piece of bad software, completely useless for me...
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Well, it's hard to tell.  Software that relies entirely on its
user community for "support" can be a bit difficult to start off
with.  I've got to admit that one of the things that makes me
enthusiastic about EAGLE is how responsive CadSoft is on their
support forums (fora?)

BillW

2007\07\02@233745 by Jake Anderson

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enkitec@gmail.com wrote:
>        I tried Kicad, but unfortunately it doesn't install correctly on my
> WXP machine. There are two missing vertical toolbars on all modules.
>        Asked for the help on two Yahoo groups and got nothing.
>        Some smart guy even told me to recompile Kicad on my machine...
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>        Just another piece of bad software, completely useless for me...
>  
you should ask for your money back.

2007\07\03@002244 by Bob Blick

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Since it clearly works for many people, perhaps the compuer you tried it
on has problems. Try it on another computer, or create a virtual machine
if you don't have another.

While you're at it, try installing it on Ubuntu.

Cheerful regards,

Bob


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>        I tried Kicad, but unfortunately it doesn't install correctly on my
> WXP machine. There are two missing vertical toolbars on all modules.
>        Asked for the help on two Yahoo groups and got nothing.
>        Some smart guy even told me to recompile Kicad on my machine...
>
>        Just another piece of bad software, completely useless for me...
>
>        Mark

2007\07\03@092600 by enkitec

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       Hi Bob,

       My computer works ok on every program I tried and/or use.
       I bet this Kicad problem is caused by windows XP.
       Just downloaded and run the last Kicad release, same beavior,
no vertical toolbars on every application.
       It seems to be a time consuming task creating a virtual machine.

       Thanks.
       Mark Jordan


On 2 Jul 2007 at 21:23, Bob Blick wrote:

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2007\07\03@192425 by John La Rooy

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On 7/3/07, TakeThisOuTenkitecEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com <RemoveMEenkitecspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
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>         Hi Bob,
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>         My computer works ok on every program I tried and/or use.
>         I bet this Kicad problem is caused by windows XP.
>         Just downloaded and run the last Kicad release, same beavior,
> no vertical toolbars on every application.
>         It seems to be a time consuming task creating a virtual machine.
>
>         Thanks.
>         Mark Jordan
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vmware-player is free

Here is a premade ubuntu virtual machine
http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/954

John La Rooy

2007\07\03@193711 by Bob Blick

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> vmware-player is free
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> Here is a premade ubuntu virtual machine
> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/954

Hi John,

Vmware server is also free now, too. Yay!

Cheerful regards,

Bob

2007\07\04@003416 by Hector Martin

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Harold Hallikainen wrote:
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I've been using gEDA for a while, and it basically uses text files for
everything. You get a file for your schematic, a file for each symbol, a
file for each footprint, the schematic netlist is exported to the PCB
editor via a netlist file, etc. Very easy to hack - for example, it
already includes a Perl script (tragesym) to create IC symbols
automatically from a pin list, like this:
#pinnr  seq     type    style   posit.  net     label
1               io      line    l               MCLR/VPP/RE3
2               io      line    l               RA0/AN0
3               io      line    l               RA1/AN1
<snip>
11              pwr     line    t               VDD
12              pwr     line    b               VSS
13              io      line    l               OSC1/CLKI/RA7
<snip>
20              io      line    l               RD1/PSP1
40              io      line    r               RB7/KBI3/PGD
39              io      line    r               RB6/KBI2/PGC
38              io      line    r               RB5/KBI1/PGM
<snip>
etc etc etc.

PCB uses m4 scripts to parametrically create most standard footprints.
For example, there is a single parametrized generic definition for a DIP
chip (taking number of pins, width, etc), and a set of lines to define
the parameters for each individual type.

One of the things I like about the way it's organized is that schematic
symbols do not include a footprint (though they may reference a default
one). You choose in your particular schematic what footprint to use, and
the footprints are disjoint from the symbols (not a subset like in
Eagle). All DIP chips use the same exact footprint definitions, for
example, and there is only one symbol for each chip with multiple
footprints with the same pinout (by number) on each. Just today I used
some random footprint for an optocoupler which I had originally designed
for a SOIC opto, but I used a DIP4 footprint instead. No changes to the
symbol necessary.

It's not as well integrated as other solutions (for example,
back-annotation is nonexistent and forward-annotation is on-demand, not
automatic), but it works pretty well for most purposes, and it even
includes an autorouter (I haven't tested it though - I route everything
by hand).

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2007\07\04@004427 by Hector Martin

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James Newton, Host wrote:
> Has anyone tried Kicad? Good news / bad news?
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> http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad
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> It looks freaking awesome...
It does look pretty nice. I've been using gEDA lately, which is also
decent, but Linux-only IIRC, though probably better known and supported.
I'll have a look at Kicad. The 3D view looks awesome!
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2007\07\04@004700 by Mark Rages

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On 7/3/07, Hector Martin <RemoveMEhectorspam_OUTspamKILLspammarcansoft.com> wrote:
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It's easy to write symbol generators for gEDA since the file formats
are simple ASCII and well-documented.  Here's my online interface to
"djboxsym":  http://mlug.missouri.edu/~markrages/cgi-bin/djboxsym.cgi

If people are interested in Kicad, they should also check out gEDA.
There's been an intersting discussion on the geda-user mailing list
this week, starting with this message:

http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Jul-2007/msg00022.html

Regards,
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