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2008\04\23@155450 by Carlos Marcano

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Hi, fellow piclisters.

 I would like to read any recommendations regarding this: I need a
development tool taking into account some restrictions as it must run
under windows XP (and Vista if possible), be able to produce GUI's and
must be freeware. I have a fair experience with C and VB 6.00, so
anything like them would be a plus. I know almost nothing about C++
and any other OO high level language. I need to develop a simple
program to keep record of done tasks and I would like it to search
throught a little database of posible tasks to put into new records so
this is like a little search-and-place program. I am trying to avoid
using Excel-like tools (as in OpenOffice.org) for this task.

Is there a viable option with this restrictions? Or, am I looking for
unobtanium?

Regards,

*Carlos Marcano*
-Guri, Venezuela-

2008\04\23@160616 by Marcel Birthelmer

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You could use Python, certainly. It's easy to learn, has a large number of
libraries for UIs, database, and everything else, and is free to download
and use.
- Marcel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Carlos Marcano <spam_OUTc.marcanoTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com>
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2008\04\23@161723 by Shawn Tan

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On Wednesday 23 April 2008 20:54:49 Carlos Marcano wrote:
> Is there a viable option with this restrictions? Or, am I looking for
> unobtanium?

(Formerly Borland) http://www.codegear.com/products
Some of the products have free trial versions. However, they are generally OO
languages. Depending on what you need to do though, you may not need to do
too much OO programming.

cheers.

--
with metta,
Shawn Tan

Aeste Works (M) Sdn Bhd - Engineering Elegance
http://www.aeste.net

2008\04\23@162711 by John Coppens

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:54:49 -0400
"Carlos Marcano" <.....c.marcanoKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a viable option with this restrictions? Or, am I looking for
> unobtanium?

There is a normally a tradeoff between ease-of-use and price. If you'd
like to have a complete development system with GUIs, you can look at
running Cygwin (linux-on-windows), and then you can select most any of
the (excellent, and free) GUI development environments for Linux, like,
but not limited to, Glade and Qt, and the fill in the code in C/C++.

You will probably have some difficulties, but that's the cost of free
software (particularly if you don't want to switch to Linux). Another
solution is booting some CD with linux and have everything pre-installed
(Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu or a seemingly limitless number of other
distros).

John

2008\04\23@162724 by Carlos Marcano

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Thanks for the tip, Marcel.

 Do you have any pointer on any spot-and-shoot windows 32 bit build
of a complete-as-possible  development Python tool chain?

Regards,

*Carlos Marcano*
-Guri, Venezuela-

On 23/04/2008, Marcel Birthelmer <marcelspamKILLspamcarrietech.com> wrote:
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2008\04\23@163446 by Carlos Marcano

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On 23/04/2008, Shawn Tan <EraseMEshawn.tanspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTaeste.net> wrote:

> (Formerly Borland) http://www.codegear.com/products

Thanks fo the info Shawn, I will give it a look.

Regards,

*Carlos Marcano*
-Guri, Venezuela-

2008\04\23@164314 by Marcel Birthelmer

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Carlos,
not sure what exactly you're looking for, but here's some tutorial videos on
GUI programming with Python and wxWindows:
showmedo.com/videos/series?name=PythonWxPythonBeginnersSeries
Regards,
- Marcel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Carlos Marcano <c.marcanospamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:

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2008\04\23@164943 by A K

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It might not be a real programming language, but the tool AutoIt (V 3)
makes GUI creation very easy and simple programs a snap.  There is a
helpful forum that usually has the solution to problems just by
searching. Your program can be neatly packaged and encoded using the
aut2exe tool, the only extra dependencies are ones you use in your
program (which can be built-in too.)  The language is somewhat similar
to vb I have heard.


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2008\04\23@172102 by Wouter van Ooijen

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>   I would like to read any recommendations regarding this: I need a
> development tool taking into account some restrictions as it must run
> under windows XP (and Vista if possible), be able to produce GUI's and
> must be freeware.

There are many options. My choice would be Python/TkInter, but others
might prefer Tcl/Tk, C++ using some library, various Basics, Java with
some framework of coffee-related suff, or Delpi in one of its incarnations.


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Wouter van Ooijen

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Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products
docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

2008\04\23@172216 by Wouter van Ooijen

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>   Do you have any pointer on any spot-and-shoot windows 32 bit build
> of a complete-as-possible  development Python tool chain?

http://www.python.org

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Wouter van Ooijen

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Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
consultancy, development, PICmicro products
docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

2008\04\23@175959 by Richard Benfield

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Carlos Marcano wrote:
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If you've used vb6 then I would recommended vb.net  express edition as
its free.


http://www.microsoft.com/express/vb/

2008\04\23@202049 by Bob Axtell

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Carlos Marcano wrote:
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Python of course, but RealBasic 2008 is looking good, to me. It has a
beautiful GUI.

--Bob A

2008\04\23@202202 by Peter van Hoof

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It has my vote

While I still use some VB autoit http://www.autoitscript.com/ has my preference
And it is ideal for rapid application development on windows.

Peter van Hoof

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2008\04\23@203216 by Bob Axtell

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Peter van Hoof wrote:
> It has my vote
>
> While I still use some VB autoit http://www.autoitscript.com/ has my preference
> And it is ideal for rapid application development on windows.
>
> Peter van Hoof
>  


Agreed. AutoIT is a nice piece of work. I used it to automate a very
complex procedure a coupla years ago.

BTW, my comment about RealBasic- its not free, but almost...$100 for
non-commercial use is free,
in my book.

--Bob A
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2008\04\24@005912 by Robert Ammerman

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You said "freeware"

Would you believe Microsoft?

Microsoft VB.Net, Express Edition
Microsoft C#, Express Edition

For a terrific, powerful, underlying database:

Microsoft SQL Server, Express Edition.

No flames please :-)

-- Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems


2008\04\24@040529 by Alan B. Pearce

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>(Formerly Borland) http://www.codegear.com/products

Oh, what happened to Borland, did the management loose its way ...?

2008\04\24@173737 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:31:35 -0700, Bob Axtell wrote:


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>BTW, my comment about RealBasic- its not free, but almost...$100 for
>non-commercial use is free,
>in my book.
>

Don't take the 'Personal Edition' name too seriously. That version
used to be called the 'Standard Edition' and it can be used for
commercial applications. There are a number of features that differ
between the two versions but using the 'Personal Edition' is not
limited to not-for-profit situations.

BTW, the initial purchase gets you six months of support and updates.
After that, access to updates costs $50 per year.


Regards, Bob

2008\04\24@202705 by James Newton

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M$ gives free (as in beer) development tools, not free (as in building on
existing code) applications. They are leveraging the "free programmers (as
in slaves)" side of open source without supporting the "free programmers
(from rewriting code again and again)" side.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the EULA for all of those tools specifies that
the code developed using them may not compete with M$ and may not be used to
work on open source code that may compete with M$.

--
James.

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