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2007\04\01@194036 by Dwayne Reid

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Not sure if this should have been [EE] or [OT] but here goes:

Copying from Google's web page:

"Sign up for our free in-home wireless broadband service

Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?

Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP
self-installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
spindle, wireless router and installation CD."

<http://www.google.com/tisp/>

I love the method of getting fiber to households that currently lack it <grin>

dwayne

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2007\04\02@010400 by Vasile Surducan

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On 4/1/07, Dwayne Reid <.....dwaynerKILLspamspam@spam@planet.eon.net> wrote:
> Not sure if this should have been [EE] or [OT] but here goes:
>
> Copying from Google's web page:
>
> "Sign up for our free in-home wireless broadband service
>
> Sick of paying for broadband that you have to, well, pay for?
>
> Introducing Google TiSP (BETA), our new FREE in-home wireless
> broadband service. Sign up today and we'll send you your TiSP
> self-installation kit, which includes setup guide, fiber-optic cable,
> spindle, wireless router and installation CD."
>
> <http://www.google.com/tisp/>
>
> I love the method of getting fiber to households that currently lack it <grin>

+18dBm modulated power in the user brain continuoulsly from WIFI router/laptop
+2W in user brain randomly every time when talking to GSM
+ some miliwats every time you're cooking in the microwave oven

It's not questionable why so many people have brain damage...
And they wander why, after talking 2-3 hours per day on the phone...
:(

2007\04\02@012125 by Tobias Gogolin

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Yes brilliant use of creative marketing terms
but seriously what might the  fiber-optic cable be in the packet for?
Is that serious or what? who uses fiber for home networking???

On 4/1/07, Dwayne Reid <dwaynerspamKILLspamplanet.eon.net> wrote:
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2007\04\02@015632 by Roger, in Bangkok

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Hhmmm ... some difficulty understanding the instructions under the How TiSP
Works <http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html> button?

:-))

On 4/2/07, Tobias Gogolin <EraseMEusertogospam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
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> ... but seriously what might the  fiber-optic cable be in the packet for?
> Is that serious or what? who uses fiber for home networking???
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>

2007\04\02@021459 by Mike Reid

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I guess that April Fools Day didn't click with some of the Piclist members?
A great joke anyway!!!



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2007\04\02@024259 by Tobias Gogolin

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No actually its not really wifi if its fiber optic...
and they got it all wrong after the antenna cable is flushed the rest of the
underground sewer tube is like the wave guide to the TiSP sewer antennas...
Fiber optic, yeah right that shit is way to opaque...

On 4/2/07, Mike Reid <mikecreidspamspam_OUTmsn.com> wrote:
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> I guess that April Fools Day didn't click with some of the Piclist
> members?
> A great joke anyway!!!
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>
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> {Original Message removed}

2007\04\02@024623 by Peter Todd

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On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:42:58PM -0700, Tobias Gogolin wrote:
> No actually its not really wifi if its fiber optic...
> and they got it all wrong after the antenna cable is flushed the rest of the
> underground sewer tube is like the wave guide to the TiSP sewer antennas...
> Fiber optic, yeah right that shit is way to opaque...

Opaque? I dunno, I'm from Canada, right in the middle of the biggest
freshwater collection in the world, and we waste our water by the
lake-full...

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2007\04\02@084022 by Carl Denk

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As a person residing on the South Shore of Lake Erie, some years back
riding the "Polar Bear Express" train to South tip of Hudson Bay, I
noticed several Ontario Hydro Electric facilities. Thought crossed my
mind about changing the divide to move more water from the great lakes
toward Hudson Bay. There was very recently an international agreement
that (I believe) prevents that. The local regional treated water
supplier was unable to supply the area 30 miles South of Lake Erie with
Lake Erie source water, since the area drained to the Ohio River.

As far as wasting water from the lakes, Niagara Falls is the bottom
line, and a night the flow is cut to a trickle. Both the Canadians and
USA power plants use pumped storage to use the maximum efficiency.

As for myself, we collect all the roof water in a 8000 gallon cistern  
(underground tank) and use it for everything except drinking and
cooking. We generally run a minimum water bill from the treated water
out front.

Peter Todd wrote:
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2007\04\02@085345 by Tamas Rudnai

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That was the other one from Google:

http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html

Tamas



On 4/2/07, Mike Reid <@spam@mikecreidKILLspamspammsn.com> wrote:
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> I guess that April Fools Day didn't click with some of the Piclist
> members?
> A great joke anyway!!!
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> {Original Message removed}

2007\04\02@110455 by Harold Hallikainen

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I still like this one:

http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html

Harold


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2007\04\02@113221 by Dario Greggio

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Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> I still like this one:
> http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html

wonderful too!
I did not know it!


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2007\04\02@131155 by James Newtons Massmind

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> As for myself, we collect all the roof water in a 8000 gallon
> cistern (underground tank) and use it for everything except
> drinking and cooking. We generally run a minimum water bill
> from the treated water out front.

I would be very interested to hear more about your installation. What did it
cost? How did you bury it? All that good stuff.

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2007\04\02@163157 by Robert Rolf

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Vasile Surducan wrote:
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> +18dBm modulated power in the user brain continuoulsly from WIFI router/laptop
> +2W in user brain randomly every time when talking to GSM
> + some miliwats every time you're cooking in the microwave oven
>
> It's not questionable why so many people have brain damage...
> And they wander why, after talking 2-3 hours per day on the phone...
> :(

The absorbed RF is converted into heat, which is readily carried away by the
bloodstream. If it's not enough to cauterize your corneas, it's harmless.
Just look at the power levels used for RF and ultrasound therapies in physiotheraphist's
offices and ask why there aren't hugh cancer rates from THAT energy.

The voltage gradients we have across our cell membranes are THOUSANDS of times
higher that the voltages induced by outside EM fields.

Nothing is 100% safe, but I don't buy ANY of the 'electromagnetic radiation causes
cancer' BS.

Many years ago, British Electronics World magazine had a series of articles looking
at the quality and methods of the studies being done at the time (late 1980's).
A lot of OTHER causal factors were ignored in the statistical compliations.
e.g. high tension power lines focus gamma rays underneath, so ionizing radiation
levels were higher there, so of COURSE the cancer rates were higher.
EM is NOT ionizing radiation, but it was getting blamed as the direct cause,
even though it wasn't.

On study claimed that electric blankets were causing higher rates of miscarriages.
NOTHING was done to eliminate the effects of the woman having higher body
temperature during gestation, and subsequent studies refuted the claims.

I work in the field of Neuroscience, where we study the interactions of
muscles and nerves, and I have to record microvolts signals in the presence
of millivolts of muscle noise. It's a bitch to get RF into and out of the
body for telemetry applications (we're short circuits),
so a cell phone or power line EMF is not much to worry about.

Robert

2007\04\02@170831 by Carl Denk

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The cistern was built with the house foundation. It's a 4" reinforced
concrete floor,, 12" hollow concrete masonry units (concrete block)
walls with light steel reinforcing and the voids grouted solid, and a 4"
reinforced concrete roof. it's about 6' wide x 8' high, x 11' long. The
top is buried 2" of earth. There is a divider wall 3' from one end, all
incoming water (two 4" plastic pipes) comes to the small end, an
overflow to the big side, and a submersible transfer pump to empty that
catches most debris. A submersible well pump on the big side supplies
the house where I can select for various parts of the house source. A
backflow preventer is required by the local city water supplier to
prevent cross contamination. The cost was buried in the house costs, but
today could be maybe $15,000.

In the last week I have seen on the TV (This old house on PBS), where
there is a movement to save the roof water and use it as a conservation
item. 30 years ago I was just a little ahead of time. :)

James Newtons Massmind wrote:
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2007\04\03@071846 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Carl Denk wrote:

> In the last week I have seen on the TV (This old house on PBS), where
> there is a movement to save the roof water and use it as a conservation
> item. 30 years ago I was just a little ahead of time. :)

It's being rediscovered now. At least in Germany, it was much more common
(on a smaller scale, less elaborate than your setup) some 50 years ago.
Pretty much everybody who had plants had a barrel next to each pipe that
comes from the roof, catching the rain water for irrigation.

Gerhard

2007\04\03@084522 by Carl Denk

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And my parents and in-laws used to get horse or cow manure from the
nearby farm put it in the rain barrel which would fertilize the family
vegetable garden. Our veggie garden is around 2400 sq.ft. is enhanced
with composted leaves (deciduous trees drop before winter) from the
township collection. Maybe every 5 years or so, spread some horse
manure, but try to stay away from chemicals.

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