> Odd that these generators make just the right voltage and current to
> provide stable power for an household incandescent light.
>
> That constant ~75W output ought to make a great battery recharger.  I
> trust this 'inventor' drives an electric car ;-)
>
> ...Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KILLspampiclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu [RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesTakeThisOuTmit.edu] On Behalf
> Of Mark Jordan
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:03 PM
> To: spamBeGonepiclistspamBeGonemit.edu
> Subject: [EE] Energy coil
>
>
> Now that's very weird:
>
> http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/
>
> See those videos!
>

> Interesting too that each demonstration lasts for less than 5 minutes
> of "run time", requiring less than (for the 9 bulb light string) 12
> watt hours of power. A 2AH Li-Ion battery costs $12, and has 7.4WH of
> power.
>
> If he weren't a fraud he would be a billionare.  Given that he's not a
> billionare, he must be a fraud.  He only needs to demonstrate his
> device a few times a year to pull in a few hundred thousand in funding
> to "complete development" and he can go on indefinitely.  Given a good
> NDA, and very tight controls on publicity he can dupe a lot of
> investors since they can't publicize the fraud so others don't fall
> into the trap.  They also don't want to publicize it as it may hurt
> their funds if their investors see how they've used their money.
>
> It's a pretty solid scam.  He seems to have some history in learning
> how to run these shows prior to this particular device.
>
> I imagine there's a list out there of things you need to do to pull a
> good con.  Such a list might include:
> - appear to be a regular person, not an intellectual ("We see an
> effect when I turn the coil upside down - it drops in voltage.  I
> don't know why that is, but I'm close to an answer")
> - drag the con on as long as there's money ("We have a few main
> problems, heat, orientation, etc which we now know how to overcome.
> We expect it will take a year and $x in funding to develop the next
> generation prototype without these issues")
> - Involved all of the target's senses in the demonstration (hot
> lightbulb, feel vibrations of coil, scent of overheated electrical
> tape, sight of bright light, sound of motors, good catering)
> - promise of exceptional [wealth|celebrity|happiness|etc]
>
> etc.
>
> Who wants to take bets on how long until a con artist reality show is
> developed?  It'd be an easy trip from American Inventor/Apprentice to
> American Con Artist.  14 con artists attempt to trick several judges
> into giving them the prize while also foiling their competitors.  The
> judges are also reality contestants who believe they are on the
> "average joe venture capitalist" reality show and are attempting to
> select the best investment available and get the best return on
> investment compared to their competitors.  They'll be fighting over
> the best con artists, who will be fighting over the best venture
> capitalists.
>
> I wonder why the sky suddenly darkened...
>
> -Adam
>
> On 5/2/06, McReynolds, Alan A <TakeThisOuTalan.mcreynoldsEraseMEspam_OUThp.com> wrote:
>  
>> Odd that these generators make just the right voltage and current to
>> provide stable power for an household incandescent light.
>>
>> That constant ~75W output ought to make a great battery recharger.  I
>> trust this 'inventor' drives an electric car ;-)
>>
>> ...Alan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesTakeThisOuTmit.edu [piclist-bouncesEraseME.....mit.edu] On Behalf
>> Of Mark Jordan
>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:03 PM
>> To: EraseMEpiclistmit.edu
>> Subject: [EE] Energy coil
>>
>>
>> Now that's very weird:
>>
>> http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/
>>
>> See those videos!
>>

>Odd that these generators make just the right voltage and current to
>provide stable power for an household incandescent light.
>
>That constant ~75W output ought to make a great battery recharger.  I
>trust this 'inventor' drives an electric car ;-)
>
>...Alan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesEraseMEEraseMEmit.edu [RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesspam_OUTKILLspammit.edu] On Behalf
>Of Mark Jordan
>Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 7:03 PM
>To: RemoveMEpiclistTakeThisOuTspammit.edu
>Subject: [EE] Energy coil
>
>
>Now that's very weird:  
>
>http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/  
>
>See those videos!  
>
>  
>

> On 2 May 2006 at 14:56, M. Adam Davis wrote:
>
>  
>> Interesting too that each demonstration lasts for less than 5 minutes
>> of "run time", requiring less than (for the 9 bulb light string) 12
>> watt hours of power. A 2AH Li-Ion battery costs $12, and has 7.4WH of
>> power.
>>    
>
>        You should read the link below before jumping to conclusions:  
>
>        http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,49.0.html  
>
>  
>  
>> It's a pretty solid scam.  He seems to have some history in learning
>> how to run these shows prior to this particular device.
>>
>>    
>        Maybe not. Read the above link.
>
>  

>> Free Energy is ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS a SCAM.
>>    
>
> And if it's NOT, it's not clear that tapping unusual energy sources
> would be a good idea.  (cf Asimov's "The Gods Themselves")
>
> Consider a hypothetical generator that really does extract energy
> from the earth's magnetic field.  Given the strength of the earths
> magnetic field (not so strong), and the human appetite for energy
> (big, although I don't really know how it compares in absolute
> magnitude to things like planetary magnetic fields), do we REALLY
> want energy to be sucked out of there?   Losing the earth's magnetic
> field could make holes in the ozone layer and global warming look
> like TINY problems.
>
> Which brings up the point that any new energy source or generation
> technique is going to have to be looked at VERY carefully to see how
> its advantages and disadvantages compare to current sources.  The
> case against nuclear is a good example, and one wonders how many of
> the worlds hydroelectric plants would have been built if we had
> had to do the equivalent of todays environmental impact statements.
>
> BillW
>