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'[EE] Edison Lightbulbs found in attic. Revisionist'
2006\09\20@173346 by Robert Rolf

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David VanHorn wrote:

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Not really. They were ALREADY HERE!
http://besonline.rtm.net.my/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=50486&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

January 17, 2006 - 03:13 PM

 China - An ancient Chinese map unveiled in Beijing o­n Monday may prove it was a Chinese eunuch who first discovered America, seven decades before Columbus stumbled upon the new world.

The map, which has gone o­n display in Beijing, is said to be a 1763 copy of a much older map dating back to 1418. The map clearly depicts Africa, Europe and the Americas.
If it's proven to be authentic, it's strong evidence to suggest that Zheng He beat Christopher Columbus, who arrived in America in 1492, to discovering the new world. An article in the economist said five academic experts o­n ancient charts believe the
map is authentic.

Gunnar Thompson, a specialist o­n old maps and early explorers, told the magazine "it will revolutionize peoples thinking about 15th century world history."

If Thompson is right, Admiral Zheng may have beaten Columbus by at least 74 years, and 500 years of history would have to be rewritten.





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2006\09\20@180342 by Bob Axtell

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Robert Rolf wrote:
> David VanHorn wrote:
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>>>> And lots of other stuff that the world ASSUMES was invented by
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>>> Americans.
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>>>> inventors.about.com/od/cstartinventions/a/Canadian_2.htm
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>> Who discovered america?
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Norsemen, of course.

--Bob

2006\09\20@184120 by Tony Smith

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Unlikely.

Even the Chinese think it's crap.

A bloke named Menzies wrote a book called 1421.  It's been pretty well
rubbished over the years.  

Gunnar probably has his quote taken out of context, it's missing the bit at
the end which says "...provided it's true, and it's highly unlikely it's
not, as Menzies is an idiot."

Did you know there are lots of huge junks shipwrecked off the coast of New
Zealand?  No?  Menzies reckons there is, good old Zheng went everywhere!
He's a bit hazy on the exact details...

Tony

2006\09\20@190258 by Jinx

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> > Who discovered America?
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> Norsemen, of course

Riding on norseback presumably

First inhabitants of the Americas came by land from Siberia
via the Bering Strait

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

2006\09\20@191014 by Jinx

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> > If Thompson is right, Admiral Zheng may have beaten
> > Columbus by at least 74 years, and 500 years of history
> > would have to be rewritten

"discovered" is parochial term of the "discoverer's" culture

In recorded history there are probably very few, naturally
uninhabited, places actually discovered for the first time

2006\09\20@194411 by Jinx

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> China - An ancient Chinese map unveiled in Beijing on
> Monday may prove it was a Chinese eunuch who first
> discovered America, seven decades before Columbus
> stumbled upon the new world

Guy sounds like a nut job. (but he can't be)

Imagine it the other way around. Say last week an explorer
from the lost Tsohon-djapa tribe "discovered" Galveston by
rowing up the Amazon and drifting into the Gulf Of Mexico

Who's history would he write ?

2006\09\20@201046 by peter green

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> > > If Thompson is right, Admiral Zheng may have beaten
> > > Columbus by at least 74 years, and 500 years of history
> > > would have to be rewritten
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> "discovered" is parochial term of the "discoverer's" culture
>
> In recorded history there are probably very few, naturally
> uninhabited, places actually discovered for the first time
quite right, there were certainly people in america before columbus got
there and that fact was never in dispute.

columbuses "discovery" was merely the one that lead to present day european
knowlage of americas existance.

2006\09\21@084307 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Jinx wrote:

> [...] "discovered" Galveston by rowing up the Amazon and drifting into
> the Gulf Of Mexico

Rowing down? (Even though there's not much of an up and down in the
Amazon... :)

Gerhard

2006\09\21@115018 by Russell McMahon

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>>> Who discovered america?
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> Norsemen, of course.


The Irish.
St Brendan.
Well documented :-)

Gargoyle knows.

       

       Russell

2006\09\21@140507 by David VanHorn

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On 9/21/06, Russell McMahon <apptechspamKILLspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
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> >>> Who discovered america?
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> > Norsemen, of course.
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> The Irish.
> St Brendan.
> Well documented :-)


I believe they found it was already occupied.

The indians should have sold out to the norsemen, they would have got a
better deal.

2006\09\21@150551 by Matt Pobursky

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:05:04 -0400, David VanHorn wrote:
> On 9/21/06, Russell McMahon wrote:
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>>>>> Who discovered america?
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>>> Norsemen, of course.
...snip...
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> I believe they found it was already occupied.
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> The indians should have sold out to the norsemen, they would have
> got a better deal.

I dunno. The norsemen were pretty tough "negotiators".

Rape-n-Pillage-R-Us ;-)

Matt Pobursky


2006\09\21@154909 by James Newtons Massmind

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I went to
http://www.gargoyle.com and searched for "Irish discovered America" but it
didn't come up with any thing but products to sell to me.

http://www.google.com on the other hand...

(I'm just being difficult, Russell)

---
James.



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2006\09\21@174511 by John

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www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelites.html

This makes interesting reading for anyone who wants to know about who
discovered America...

Regards

John
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2006\09\21@175850 by John

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If you are interested, I have pasted another intresting article about the
Irish in America at the bottom of this email. I could point you to the url,
but the page it comes from has an auto redirect on it, so I quickly copied
the text out before it changed.

Cheers

John


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2006\09\22@210622 by William Chops Westfield

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On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Jinx wrote:
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> "discovered" is parochial term of the "discoverer's" culture
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> In recorded history there are probably very few, naturally
> uninhabited, places actually discovered for the first time
>
Very good point.  I would say that "invented" is (or should be)
subject to the same sort of scrutiny for exact meaning.

No one needed to "invent" the lightbulb; it was "obvious" - put
electricity through a wire and it gets hot.  If it gets hot enough
it glows.  Big deal.  Of course, there was a hell of a lot of
engineering involved in turning the obvious idea into a filament
and bulb configuration that was bright enough, long-lasting enough,
usable enough, and manufacturable enough to make for PRACTICAL
electrical lighting, but those are usually "details" that one
either over-weights or under-weights when talking about
"invention."  I am impressed that Edison bought out the Canadian
patent; that seems unusually careful for that day and age.

BillW

2006\09\23@074409 by Howard Winter

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Bill,

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:06:20 -0700, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:

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> I am impressed that Edison bought out the Canadian
> patent; that seems unusually careful for that day and age.

And, indeed, that person!  :-)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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