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'[EE] Digikey Sort By Price'
2010\05\11@130426 by Vitaliy

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"I'm not the first person to request 'sort-by-price' on Digikey. I have no
idea why Digikey would avoid a feature like this (perhaps special agreements
with their suppliers?). So if you're like me and often need to find just the
cheapest 2 by 1-to-4 mux, here's a quick tutorial to show you how to get
sort-by-price on Digikey:"

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=355

2010\05\11@131424 by Olin Lathrop

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Vitaliy wrote:
> "I'm not the first person to request 'sort-by-price' on Digikey. I
> have no idea why Digikey would avoid a feature like this (perhaps
> special agreements with their suppliers?). So if you're like me and
> often need to find just the cheapest 2 by 1-to-4 mux, here's a quick
> tutorial to show you how to get sort-by-price on Digikey:"

Or better yet, just use Mouser.  They have a built in sort by price feature.

Mouser has been my first choice supplier for a few years now, ever since I
noticed that their web site surpassed DigiKey's in utility.  They also tend
to have lower prices all around.  DigiKey still seems to have more items in
their product line.  If I can't find what I want at Mouser, I go to DigiKey
as a second choice, and Newark as a last resort.

I would like Mouser to add the ability for me to enter the quantity I'm
interested in, then sort by price according to that quantity.  I mentioned
this to someone at Mouser a year ago and they thought it was a good idea,
but so far nothing has come of it.


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2010\05\11@131538 by AK

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Thank you for that, I have desired such a feature for a while now.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Vitaliy <spam_OUTpiclistTakeThisOuTspammaksimov.org> wrote:
> "I'm not the first person to request 'sort-by-price' on Digikey. I have no
> idea why Digikey would avoid a feature like this (perhaps special agreements
> with their suppliers?). So if you're like me and often need to find just the
> cheapest 2 by 1-to-4 mux, here's a quick tutorial to show you how to get
> sort-by-price on Digikey:"
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=355
>
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2010\05\11@132424 by John Hansen

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And Mouser almost always upgrades me to 2nd day air shipping for no extra
charge.  That may have to do with order size, but Digikey has never done
that.

John Hansen
Coastal ChipWorks

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Olin Lathrop <.....olin_piclistKILLspamspam@spam@embedinc.com>wrote:

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2010\05\11@135610 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Or better yet, just use Mouser.  They have a built in sort by price feature.

And they don't act like the spanish inquisition when you want to order
from outside the USA.

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2010\05\11@135948 by Vitaliy

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
>> "I'm not the first person to request 'sort-by-price' on Digikey. I
>> have no idea why Digikey would avoid a feature like this (perhaps
>> special agreements with their suppliers?). So if you're like me and
>> often need to find just the cheapest 2 by 1-to-4 mux, here's a quick
>> tutorial to show you how to get sort-by-price on Digikey:"
>
> Or better yet, just use Mouser.  They have a built in sort by price
> feature.
>
> Mouser has been my first choice supplier for a few years now, ever since I
> noticed that their web site surpassed DigiKey's in utility.  They also
> tend
> to have lower prices all around.  DigiKey still seems to have more items
> in
> their product line.  If I can't find what I want at Mouser, I go to
> DigiKey
> as a second choice, and Newark as a last resort.

We buy from all the sources you mentioned, but old habits die hard and we
tend to use DigiKey as our primary source. I'll bring it up in today's
engineering meeting.

Vitaliy

2010\05\11@141010 by M.L.

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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Vitaliy <piclistspamKILLspammaksimov.org> wrote:

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I use a Firefox Greasemonkey script called "Digikey Fixes" which hacks the
Digikey HTML tables to allow you to sort by whichever column you like. It's
marginally useful. Most of the time I don't end up needing to sort just by
price anyway.

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2010\05\11@210129 by Jesse Lackey

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At the embedded systems conference a few weeks ago, the digikey guys
swore up and down that yes this is an oft-requested feature, they have
it working in-house and their sales people use it, and they will make it
publicly available on the website ... soon.  While I'm not clear what is
so tricky about it, they seemed pretty sure that it really is going to
be put "live" and pretty soon.

J

Vitaliy wrote:
> "I'm not the first person to request 'sort-by-price' on Digikey. I have no
> idea why Digikey would avoid a feature like this (perhaps special agreements
> with their suppliers?). So if you're like me and often need to find just the
> cheapest 2 by 1-to-4 mux, here's a quick tutorial to show you how to get
> sort-by-price on Digikey:"
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=355
>

2010\05\11@233428 by PICdude

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Quoting John Hansen <.....johnKILLspamspam.....hansen.net>:

> And Mouser almost always upgrades me to 2nd day air shipping for no extra
> charge.  That may have to do with order size, but Digikey has never done
> that.


Digikey doesn't have to -- they ship on time :)

Mouser only upgraded me when they missed a ship commitment, but not  
nowadays.  And sadly they upgraded me to Next Day Air a few times when  
I lived in Austin, TX, which is next day anyway using Ground service.  
So they wasted money and it was late to me still :(

Cheers,
-Neil.


2010\05\12@021849 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> At the embedded systems conference a few weeks ago, the digikey guys
> swore up and down that yes this is an oft-requested feature

I never meet DigiKey guys. Next time, could you press them for a
'sort-by-inquisition-level'? ;)

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2010\05\12@095305 by M.L.

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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Jesse Lackey <EraseMEjsl-mlspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTcelestialaudio.com>wrote:

> At the embedded systems conference a few weeks ago, the digikey guys
> swore up and down that yes this is an oft-requested feature, they have
> it working in-house and their sales people use it, and they will make it
> publicly available on the website ... soon.  While I'm not clear what is
> so tricky about it, they seemed pretty sure that it really is going to
> be put "live" and pretty soon.
>
> J



It's a software problem. How hard could it be to fix?
:)

Seriously though, website usability is very important. While a few people
might not use Digikey because it doesn't have sort by price, more people
will not use it if they implement something poorly. Having few features that
work really well is better than many that sort of work (imo.)

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Martin K.

2010\05\12@105006 by Mark Rages

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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:52 AM, M.L. <mspamspam_OUTlkeng.net> wrote:
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Ten years ago, D-k was the first distributor to have a really useful
website.  Seems like they've been slack, however, and the competition
has caught up.

Most projects of any complexity have me ordering from both Mouser and
Digi-Key.   I try for Mouser first, then D-k for whatever Mouser
doesn't have.  Mouser usually has better prices, and better packaging.
(little recloseable ziploc bags instead of the staple and tape
baggies from Digi-key that require a knife to open.)

Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small
qty.   (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)

Regards,
Mark
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2010\05\12@105903 by M.L.

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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Mark Rages <RemoveMEmarkragesTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

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> Ten years ago, D-k was the first distributor to have a really useful
> website.  Seems like they've been slack, however, and the competition
> has caught up.
>
> Most projects of any complexity have me ordering from both Mouser and
> Digi-Key.   I try for Mouser first, then D-k for whatever Mouser
> doesn't have.  Mouser usually has better prices, and better packaging.
>  (little recloseable ziploc bags instead of the staple and tape
> baggies from Digi-key that require a knife to open.)
>
> Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small
> qty.   (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)
>
> Regards,
> Mark
> markrages@gmail
>

I agree, I like the zip-lock bags better than the heat sealed bags. It's
really easy to lose parts in a pile of opened bags.
It seems the prices at Digikey have gotten a bit outrageous as well. I've
switched to using Mouser as primary and Digikey as the backup now.

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2010\05\12@112512 by Tamas Rudnai

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That works well in Chrome it seems. Thanks for the link!

Tamas


On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Vitaliy <spamBeGonepiclistspamBeGonespammaksimov.org> wrote:

> "I'm not the first person to request 'sort-by-price' on Digikey. I have no
> idea why Digikey would avoid a feature like this (perhaps special
> agreements
> with their suppliers?). So if you're like me and often need to find just
> the
> cheapest 2 by 1-to-4 mux, here's a quick tutorial to show you how to get
> sort-by-price on Digikey:"
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=355
>
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2010\05\12@123715 by Matt Pobursky

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On Wed, 12 May 2010 09:50:05 -0500, Mark Rages wrote:
> Ten years ago, D-k was the first distributor to have a really useful
> website.  Seems like they've been slack, however, and the competition has
> caught up.

Sort of. Last industry figures I saw showed that DigiKey was now the 3rd or
4th largest electronic component distributor in the US (behind only Avnet,
Arrow and possibly Future). They're doing something right.

> Most projects of any complexity have me ordering from both Mouser and
> Digi-Key.   I try for Mouser first, then D-k for whatever Mouser doesn't
> have.  Mouser usually has better prices, and better packaging. (little
> recloseable ziploc bags instead of the staple and tape baggies from Digi-
> key that require a knife to open.)

I'm heading more this route myself. For very small quantities (1's to 10's)
Mouser's pricing is very good. Their availability and selection has gotten
better over time as well. Mouser also seems to have much better pricing on
electro-mechanical parts (relays, switches, connectors, cables assemblies)
than DigiKey. I think DigiKey's shipping is still more reliable though
-- they are 2nd day to me with standard ground shipping and it is
inexpensive, most boxes are about $5-7.

I'm mixed on the packaging. In general I like the ziploc bags from Mouser
but I have 100's of bags of open DigiKey parts stored in larger ziploc bags
organized by project and rarely lose any parts.

> Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small qty.
> (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)

Pricing is an interesting issue with DigiKey. Their pricing appears to be
based on total volume of an account. A good friend of mine owns a contract
manufacturing company, last year they bought about $800K of components from
DigiKey. The pricing they get on parts is on average about 15% less
(sometimes even greater) than the default pricing levels most of us see on
their web site.

I've logged into my account at DigiKey at their facility and we've compared
prices side-by-side. Sometimes their qty. (1) price is less than my qty.
(100) price. I suppose that DigiKey has set a value on the "convenience"
factor for small custimers, the price they think the market will bear. I'm
sure this price difference has gone up over time since their overall volume
has gone up and smaller orders are less a factor in their total sales.
Larger customers definitely get a larger discount.

I often have my friend's company build prototypes and source all the
components for me, even on small volumes since their pricing on all
components in the process is considerably less than mine. I also get a lot
higher quality assembly since they do it every day.

I know that based on interviews I've read with DigiKey's CEO that they
understand that smaller orders lead to larger orders down the road and that
many, many prototypes from all kinds of individuals and companies are built
with parts sourced from DigiKey. It will be interesting to see how much of
a premium they put on the "convenience" factor of buying from them and if
they'll adjust their pricing if they see the perceived value slipping.

Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems


2010\05\13@015912 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small
> qty.   (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)

confirmed. even better @100 than FTDI's own webshop.

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2010\05\13@102330 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 01:58 AM 13/05/2010, you wrote:
> > Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small
> > qty.   (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)
>
>confirmed. even better @100 than FTDI's own webshop.

Hopefully they don't come from the same supplier as the ATMegas
they bought..

>Best regards,

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2010\05\13@104828 by Wouter van Ooijen

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>>> Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small
>>> qty.   (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)
>> confirmed. even better @100 than FTDI's own webshop.
>
> Hopefully they don't come from the same supplier as the ATMegas
> they bought..

Explain?

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2010\05\13@110320 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 10:48 AM 13/05/2010, you wrote:
> >>> Digi-key's prices are really high for things like FT232RL in small
> >>> qty.   (Best price I've found is Sparkfun, believe it or not.)
> >> confirmed. even better @100 than FTDI's own webshop.
> >
> > Hopefully they don't come from the same supplier as the ATMegas
> > they bought..
>
>Explain?

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350

>Best regards,

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2010\05\13@113947 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350

fun reading!

The FT232's worked OK. But there is a local components supplier I use
that sometimes sells counterfeit or at least sub-standard transistors.

I buy some stuff from China too, so far one bad experience (money
transferred, products never delivered) out of maybe 20 orders (from 4
suppliers, including the one that did not deliver).

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2010\05\13@191154 by Oli Glaser

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> I buy some stuff from China too, so far one bad experience (money
> transferred, products never delivered) out of maybe 20 orders (from 4
> suppliers, including the one that did not deliver).
>

Can you recommend any decent/reliable suppliers in China? I use RS
Components(mostly) here in UK, great service and delivery, but steep prices
for a lot of stuff. I get PCBs from China (PCBCart mostly) and I've never
had a problem, so I'd like to see how it is with components.

Thanks,

Oli


2010\05\13@194927 by peter green

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> I use RS
> Components(mostly) here in UK, great service and delivery, but steep prices
> for a lot of stuff.
Any particular reason for using RS? I've generally got the impression
that of the three main suppliers of prototyping parts i'm aware of in
the UK rapid are the cheapest (though with a relatively poor range),
farnell somewhere in the middle and RS the most expensive.

2010\05\14@010807 by Oli Glaser

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I suppose the main reason is the good site layout, service and delivery, and
range, they have most of the stuff I need and cheap next day delivery is
good for small orders when prototyping (I have placed orders at 7:00pm and
they have been there the next morning a few times) They are certainly
expensive though. Rapid are good for cheap basic stuff, I've used them a few
times for passive components, but very limited range of much else. Farnell I
haven't had much dealings with (a couple of orders) but I think they are
similar to RS, from the prices and range I've seen. If I ever need anything
else I can't source in the UK, I use Mouser or Digikey. I'm thinking it
would be a good idea to see how the Chinese suppliers compare for large
orders, given the impressive service I've had with the PCBs.


2010\05\14@015758 by Michael Watterson

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Oli Glaser wrote:
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> Can you recommend any decent/reliable suppliers in China? I use RS
> Components(mostly) here in UK, great service and delivery, but steep prices
> for a lot of stuff. I get PCBs from China (PCBCart mostly) and I've never
> had a problem, so I'd like to see how it is with components.
>
>  
I will be updating these tables.
http://www.techtir.ie/info/electronics-suppliers

I'm happy to add tested suggestions from others here, or you can add
comments at the site

2010\05\14@022640 by Oli Glaser

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Thanks for that, looks useful - I'll post any suggestions I have when I have
tried a few, be good to have an up to date list of decent suppliers. I have
a couple of suggestions - I can't see Rapid on there for UK (cheap basic
components), or Mouser for another big worldwide supplier. I haven't been
brave enough to place a large order on eBay yet, but I may have a go at some
point :)


2010\05\14@023233 by Wouter van Ooijen

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Oli Glaser wrote:
>> I buy some stuff from China too, so far one bad experience (money
>> transferred, products never delivered) out of maybe 20 orders (from 4
>> suppliers, including the one that did not deliver).
>>
>
> Can you recommend any decent/reliable suppliers in China? I use RS
> Components(mostly) here in UK, great service and delivery, but steep prices
> for a lot of stuff. I get PCBs from China (PCBCart mostly) and I've never
> had a problem, so I'd like to see how it is with components.

no. I don't think it would be useful for you anyway, thing of minimum
order quantities from 100 ($50 LCD) to 10k ($0.05 switches, crystals, etc).

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2010\05\14@024620 by Oli Glaser

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Large orders was what I was thinking of, to see if I can get a better deal
than local. With small orders local suppliers makes more sense anyway (no
shipping etc).


2010\05\14@032229 by Tamas Rudnai

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Also you do not need to pay customs with all the hassle with it if you buy
from a EU supplier... Of course if you are producing 10k pcs of devices or
even 100k you may try Chinese component supplier but then probably you would
be even better to let them manufacturing the whole lot for you.

Tamas


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2010\05\14@032421 by Tamas Rudnai

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It is shame I have not come across your site while I was living in Dublin
:-) Why did not you tell me? :-)

Tamas


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2010\05\14@033728 by Michael Watterson

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Oli Glaser wrote:
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I have avoided USA suppliers as the postage is high to Europe. Obviously
I could have a North American section.

Also I could add an Account column and Min Order (Farnell is expensive
for small orders due to £15 or so min charge)
RS-Components / Radionics are very expensive.

I should probably add a column indicating suitable prototype/Hobby
volume or Production.

I have found Hong Kong, Singapore, China and Thailand as cheap as or
cheaper for postage and almost as fast delivery as Next Door UK.
Australia to  Ireland is  cheaper and  faster  than  USA!
France seems a bit more expensive on postage than rest of Europe, but
cheaper often than UK.

Suggestions for Additional Columns?

General points:
Don't rely on email. If they don't answer, phone them after checking
time zone. Most companies seem to ignore cold emails and need a phone
call to open communication. Even in Ireland with our horrendous
Telecomms charges, it's not that expensive for a call to Taiwan or USA.
In ringing Korea, Taiwan, Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, Finland,
Slovakia or indeed anywhere I never had a problem with language.
Everyone seems to have someone that speaks English. I've dealt with
Irish and UK companies that were hard to understand on phone though!

USA companies that have no International Shipping listed and state
specifically on Website they only take USA credit cards have taken order
after phone call.

One Korean company invited me to visit them :-)

Microchip, National Semiconductor, Analog Devices and some others do
have free sample programs.
I never got free samples from Taiwan, but even with cost of phone call,
paying postage and for part the total was cheaper that similar part
excluding postage from RS. Sometimes  1/10th price!

On eBay I check out:
1) Is it too good to be true? (Esp high value consumer items)
2) What is their feedback?
3) How many of similar stuff?
4)If I'm in doubt I contact and ask questions
5)Is it a store front for big company? Increasing number of Chinese
manufacturers seem to use eBay, it's a handy way to get sample and then
approach them direct about volume.
6)Is there stuff all old/ obsolete (probably left over from cancelled CD
player, CRT TV or other cancelled products)? If so the components may be
poor solderability or  lead based  solder.


You are less likely to be diddled buying 200 x 10c Transistors at 1c
each than a $800 consumer camera  at  $400
You  are more likely to be diddled buying 5,000  of  a CPU than  x10 off.

I have been buying components and some gadgets from eBay Asia for about
4 years.
I only ever got diddled once, buying a S/H Camcorder from a UK seller.
PayPal recovered most of my money.





2010\05\14@033934 by Oli Glaser

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> Also you do not need to pay customs with all the hassle with it if you buy
> from a EU supplier... Of course if you are producing 10k pcs of devices or
> even 100k you may try Chinese component supplier but then probably you
> would
> be even better to let them manufacturing the whole lot for you.
>

Yes, the customs etc make it only feasible for large orders. Also I'm
interested in companies that will make the whole lot for you. At the moment
I am trying to source a custom power supply for a product - I'm talking with
a company in HK, but would be very interested to hear about others too, so I
can shop around a bit.


2010\05\14@034633 by Michael Watterson

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Oli Glaser wrote:
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> Large orders was what I was thinking of, to see if I can get a better deal
> than local. With small orders local suppliers makes more sense anyway (no
> shipping etc).
>
>
>  
My "local" suppliers are up to x5 more expensive than China for small
orders.
The only sort of actually in Ireland suppliers I know (apart from very
expensive and limited Retail Shops Maplin, sort of like Jaycar or Radio
Shack, but not as good)  are Radionics (RS Components) and Farnell. The
UK there is 2 to 10 days shipping, high postage/shipping costs,
Sterling/Euro exchange etc, Taiwan is often nearly as quick and much
cheaper, even though UK is our nearest Neighbour.

It's also possible Wouter's Chinese suppliers  sell lower volume also
via eBay shops.

2010\05\14@040243 by Oli Glaser

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Thanks Michael, that's great information. I may try China for a few small
orders too then, to see how it compares. Maybe a good way of sizing the
company up before a large order anyway. If I learn anything worth knowing,
I'll post a suggestion on your site. I expect quite a few may sell lower
volume via eBay too, to get a hold on both ends of the market. I think it's
always worth asking about minimum orders anyway just to check if they are
flexible, one of the few times I ordered from China was for a hard to find
part that I only needed about 20 of, the minimum order was 500, but they
sold them to me anyway.
Adding a minimum order column to the list sounds like a good idea also,
maybe also some info on shipping times/charges too.


2010\05\14@054350 by Philip Pemberton

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On 11/05/10 18:55, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>> Or better yet, just use Mouser.  They have a built in sort by price feature.
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> And they don't act like the spanish inquisition when you want to order
> from outside the USA.

That has to be the most annoying thing about DigiKey.... come to think
of it, Bill Bailey parodies this quite nicely in his comedy act (I think
it was Part Troll?) -- first with Australian Customs and Immigration...

"[Australian Customs] seem to have a bit of an obsession with
agriculture... Have you got any seeds on you? Any little bits of bark?
Any grasses? Any dried flowers? Any pressed flowers? Any dust or fluff
on you? Have you perhaps brushed against a flower and collected some
pollen on your beard?... Have you ever left a country gate open?... Have
you ever misdirected some hens to an incorrect location?"

Then he gets onto US Customs...

"The American questions are far more searching... Are you or have you
ever been a member of the Nazi Party of Germany? Yes, no or don't know?
You'd think you'd remember something like that, y'know? [...] And then
there's my favourite question: Are you a member of a terrorist
organisation? Which is great! It's like the Government thinking, 'Well,
we'll catch a few like that! Just ask 'em straight-out, someone's gonna
crack sooner or later!'"

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2010\05\14@060941 by Michael Watterson

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Philip Pemberton wrote:
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> Then he gets onto US Customs...
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> "... And then
> there's my favourite question: Are you a member of a terrorist
> organisation? Which is great! It's like the Government thinking, 'Well,
> we'll catch a few like that! Just ask 'em straight-out, someone's gonna
> crack sooner or later!'"
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Or
"have you been on a Farm?"

"No"

(thinks later, do my pet goats, 4 chickens, 2 duck count as a farm?)

2010\05\14@061437 by Tamas Rudnai

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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Michael Watterson <@spam@mike@spam@spamspam_OUTradioway.org>wrote:

> I have been buying components and some gadgets from eBay Asia for about
> 4 years.
> I only ever got diddled once, buying a S/H Camcorder from a UK seller.
> PayPal recovered most of my money.
>

Lucky you. I bought quite a few stuff on eBay, even sold 100s without a
problem, but then there was this UK seller selling me 'new phone' which then
turned out to be used one. I told the seller that I am sending it back and I
need my money back, which he agreed, so I did sending back the phone but I
have never received my money.

PayPal refused to help me, I could not talk to anyone from PayPal over
phone, only email. They have asked so many things from me and then they said
a registered post is not a proof that I have sent back the item and they
have closed the issue. I closed my account and will never ever use PayPal or
eBay again. Note because I have lost 200 Euros, but because PayPal
advertises that I am protected while I am not.

Tamas



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2010\05\14@062807 by Philip Pemberton

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On 13/05/10 16:05, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=350

There's something to be said for buying parts from a
manufacturer-authorised distributor. In all likelihood, they're not
going to want to risk pissing off the manufacturers by engaging in a
little bit of grey-market importing... :)

It's also handy when the distributor is based in the same country as
you. Three cheers for Small Claims Court -- I've never had to do it, but
I have planned ahead and I do know my rights. "They sold me a bunch of
metal slugs instead of the silicon chips I asked for" is probably easy
enough for any SCC judge to understand :)

I've had issues with Maplins in the past (transistors testing WAY below
spec -- I've got a BC547 somewhere which had a Hfe of somewhere around
ten, vs. the specced 300). Customer service was basically "we don't
guarantee components and don't care in the least".

The only issues I've had with Farnell have been in regards to packaging
and dispatch -- either something breaking off (usually pins, the Liege
warehouse are TERRIBLE at packaging SMD ICs) or going walkies (brush
attachments for aerosol cans tend to disappear quite regularly). But to
their credit they've ALWAYS resolved the problem quickly and courteously
("we'll send a replacement via UPS Next Day" seems to be their
catch-phrase). And for that reason, despite the pricing, I'll keep going
back.

Rapid are pretty good too, especially for more "garden variety" things
like power supplies and connectors -- they stock the high-current rated
Switchcraft "coaxial" DC power plugs and sockets, whereas Farnell only
stock a couple of low-current SPC/Multicomp parts.

RS... less said about them the better. Expensive, rude, unhelpful.
Wouldn't touch with the longest barge pole I had to hand, extended with
a couple of brooms and some Gaffer's tape.

The only time I'll buy something from a Chinese supplier is when I'm
reasonably convinced that it's close to impossible for them to screw up.
That is to say, I won't buy ICs, name-branded capacitors, etc. (too easy
to counterfeit), but I will buy things like storage boxes (e.g. the
Dealextreme ones that are good for SMDs and fit nicely in a Raaco
Assorter box), no-name LEDs and so forth. Speaking of which, IIRC the
only name-brand LEDs I've bought in the past five or six years were some
HP/Agilent (Avago?) yellow 3mm beasties that were on special offer for
something like 50p a bag... Oh, actually I take that back -- I've got
some Osram PLCC6 RGB LEDs I got from Digikey a while ago...

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2010\05\14@062826 by Oli Glaser

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Lol, good stuff..


2010\05\14@064909 by Philip Pemberton

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On 14/05/10 08:37, Michael Watterson wrote:
> Also I could add an Account column and Min Order (Farnell is expensive
> for small orders due to £15 or so min charge)

The limit is £20 on a credit card order, or £5 if you're paying at the
trade counter. You do get free delivery via UPS for that, though, so it
isn't all bad news. IMO it's not really worth putting in a <£20 order
anyway... and there's usually something I need that I can use to pad an
order out.

> I've dealt with
> Irish and UK companies that were hard to understand on phone though!

There's nothing wrong with saying "I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch
that..." and "I'm sorry, can you please repeat that -- I think the
line's a bit bad!" on occasion. Some of our accents are a little... broad :)

I'm a Northerner and can handle most of the English accents (though I
can't identify them!); the Welsh and West Country accents are a bit of a
pig, and (depending on the person on the other end of the line!)
Scottish and Irish can be too. Don't worry about it, it's normal --
sometimes we don't even understand ourselves! :)

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2010\05\14@071613 by Michael Watterson

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Philip Pemberton wrote:
> On 14/05/10 08:37, Michael Watterson wrote:
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>> ies that were hard to understand on phone though!
>>    
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> There's nothing wrong with saying "I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch
> that..." and "I'm sorry, can you please repeat that -- I think the
> line's a bit bad!" on occasion. Some of our accents are a little... broad :)
>
> I'm a Northerner and can handle most of the English accents (though I
> can't identify them!); the Welsh and West Country accents are a bit of a
> pig, and (depending on the person on the other end of the line!)
> Scottish and Irish can be too. Don't worry about it, it's normal --
> sometimes we don't even understand ourselves! :)
>  
Exactly, as I'm from Norn Iron (originally) and have worked in England.
I'd expect to understand Irish & English people on the phone. :-)
Kilkenny City  seems as clear as Inverness and Rural Kilkenny English
can sound like they are talking Gaelic, or as intelligible as  parts of
Glasgow used to be.

2010\05\14@075834 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> RS... less said about them the better. Expensive, rude, unhelpful.
> Wouldn't touch with the longest barge pole I had to hand, extended with
> a couple of brooms and some Gaffer's tape.

I agree with expensive, but in my experience the were helpful and always
very quick (I got next-day deliveries from orders placed around 20:30).
And no shipping/handling cost.

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2010\05\14@084028 by Tamas Rudnai

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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Michael Watterson <.....mikespamRemoveMEradioway.org>wrote:

> Exactly, as I'm from Norn Iron (originally) and have worked in England.
> I'd expect to understand Irish & English people on the phone. :-)
> Kilkenny City  seems as clear as Inverness and Rural Kilkenny English
> can sound like they are talking Gaelic, or as intelligible as  parts of
> Glasgow used to be.
>

...and I thought I have no sense of languages not understanding all Irish
accents properly after 4.5 years there :-)

BTW: At the first day there, I have decided to learn to understand Irish
accent, so turned on the telly, and there was this channel I could not pick
up a singe word from there. Took me few minutes to realise that they speak
Gaelic on TG4 :-)

Tamas




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2010\05\14@111641 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Philip Pemberton wrote:

> And then there's my favourite question: Are you a member of a
> terrorist organisation? Which is great! It's like the Government
> thinking, 'Well, we'll catch a few like that! Just ask 'em
> straight-out, someone's gonna crack sooner or later!'"

I don't think that's for catching any terrorists.

I think it's much more likely that this and similar questions are there
because they allow application of immigration laws to anybody who is
later found out to have lied (in this case, being member of such an
organization). This probably makes some desirable proceedings more
straightforward than without the question.

Gerhard

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