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'[EE] Did supplyframe buy FindChips?'
2010\08\30@182503 by Vitaliy

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Just noticed the website changes. Does anybody know anything about it?

http://www.findchips.com

2010\08\30@191831 by Robert Young

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> Subject: [EE] Did supplyframe buy FindChips?
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:23:59 -0700
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> Just noticed the website changes. Does anybody know anything about it?
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> http://www.findchips.com/
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2010\08\30@194827 by Vitaliy

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Robert Young wrote:
> Change?  I think it has looked like that for years now.

Ctrl-F5?

Latest copy from archive.org shows what it looked like on July 13th, 2008 and unless my memory fails me, it looked the same way last week:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080713210327/http://www.findchips.com/

The poll, horizonal rule, changed "Contact us" landing page, and the "Privacy Policy" link are new.

Vitaliy

2010\08\31@012942 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Change?  I think it has looked like that for years now.

The layout indeed changed recently (logo's, and an ad for some questionary). I don't see any 'real' change.

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2010\08\31@042733 by RussellMc

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Robert young posted this with an image too large for the list server.
Image is here - 3rd image
For full size click "Get original uploaded photo" button below image.

       http://public.fotki.com/RussellMc/misc-1/piclistdesktops/

That's my "PICList desktops / benches ..." folder.
You can add your own desk/lab/workshop photos by emailing them to

          RussellMc+picdtspamKILLspamfotki.com

Subject line becomes photo title.


    Russell

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:06:57 -0500
Subject: RE: [EE] Did supplyframe buy FindChips?

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See attached PNG screen capture (and I dump the history and content
when my browser closes so I know this is fresh content).

I see no "Privacy Policy" link. nor poll.  And the web.archive.org
link is a dead end.

Ro

2010\08\31@101927 by Robert Young

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> Subject: Re: [EE] Did supplyframe buy FindChips?
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> Robert young posted this with an image too large for the list server.
> Image is here - 3rd image
> For full size click "Get original uploaded photo" button below image.
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>         public.fotki.com/RussellMc/misc-1/piclistdesktops/
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> That's my "PICList desktops / benches ..." folder.
> You can add your own desk/lab/workshop photos by emailing them to
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>            RussellMc+spamBeGonepicdtspamBeGonespamfotki.com
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> Subject line becomes photo title.

Thanks Russel.  I thought the 77K-ish file was small enough.  
Rob


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2010\08\31@112937 by RussellMc

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> Thanks Russel.  I thought the 77K-ish file was small enough.

Limit is 40 K AFTER email system plays with it.
If 8 bit bytes  is efficiently transferred with 7 bit ASCII you get
7/7 * 40k = 35k.
Somewhat smaller again than that is probably safer.

R

2010\08\31@122255 by Robert Young

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> From: RemoveMEapptechnzEraseMEspamEraseMEgmail.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 03:29:05 +1200
> Subject: Re: [EE] Did supplyframe buy FindChips?
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> > Thanks Russel.  I thought the 77K-ish file was small enough.
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> Limit is 40 K AFTER email system plays with it.
> If 8 bit bytes  is efficiently transferred with 7 bit ASCII you get
> 7/7 * 40k = 35k.
> Somewhat smaller again than that is probably safer.
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>  R
> Err, typo I think.  7/7 * 40k = 40k  :)

7/8 * 40k = 35k.   ;)

Rob
                                         

2010\08\31@160923 by Vitaliy

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www.supplyframemedia.com/findchipscom-inventory-search-acquired-by-supplyframe.html

"PASADENA, Calif - August 31, 2010 - SupplyFrame, Inc. today announced that it has acquired FindChips.com (http://www.findchips.com).  The site brings new capabilities to SupplyFrame Media's proven online advertising products. FindChips.com has been a favorite site of component buyers for over 12 years.  The unique site has built an intensely loyal user base for performing the fastest, most complete component inventory search on the web..

A scientist at NASA originally created FindChips.com for personal use. Since then the site has developed a fan base because of its speed, accuracy and no-nonsense approach.  Over 100,000 people each month use the service to locate available stock of electronic components - most buyers use the service multiple times every day.  FindChips.com displays inventory levels and pricing information for leading component distributors across the industry.

"Every day more and more electronic component buyers are using the web to source and buy products.  Our customers are looking for new ways to access and influence this growing audience," said Steve Flagg, CEO of SupplyFrame Inc.  "The addition of FindChips.com to the SupplyFrame Media product lineup gives the industry a one-stop shop for boosting the online marketing and sales funnel."

SupplyFrame Media is currently accepting applications from distributors worldwide to be included in the inventory search results at FindChips.com."


'[EE] Did supplyframe buy FindChips?'
2010\09\01@082953 by Lee Jones
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>> Thanks Russel. I thought the 77K-ish file was small enough.

> Limit is 40 K AFTER email system plays with it.
> If 8 bit bytes  is efficiently transferred with 7 bit ASCII
> you get 7/7 * 40k = 35k.
> Somewhat smaller again than that is probably safer.

Messages with a few non-7-bit-ASCII characters may be encoded
as quoted-printable; such behavior is encouraged.  Some mail
systems will treat a file with even 1 eight-bit character as
being a "binary file".

Binary files (streams of octets with many or most characters
not falling in the printable ASCII set) are encoded in BASE64
per email RFCs.  This encodes 3 octets (8-bit bytes, 24-bits)
as 4 printable ASCII chars.  Thus, the binary file will expand
to 133% of its original size.

Safer size limit is 40KB / 1.33 = ~30KB.

                                               Lee Jone

2010\09\01@100945 by RussellMc

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>>... 35k.
> Safer size limit is  = ~30KB.

Aye:  35k --> =~ 30kB

                  as safer --> infinity

But whether 40 kB ~= 40,000 B or ~= 40,960 B or .... ?
is ?

I've just taken a look through posts with attachements that succeeded.
Anything under 30k seems fine.
There was one JPG with claimed size of 41 kB that seemed to work !
And one of 140 kB that I think may have been moderator accepted.

So yes, <= 30 kB seems wise.




2010\09\01@101607 by Robert Young

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OK, so to slide it this back on topic...

Vitaly (I think it was Vitaly, anyway) posted the press release about the sale.  And because I use findchips.com on a nearly daily basis I had occasion to go there again yesterday.
Lo and behold, NOW (days later) I see the changes he was talking about in the web site.  What I don't understand is why I couldn't see them before.

Yes, I dump my cache frequently.  I even did it special just for his original post to try and see what he saw.

I'm getting the feeling it might be multiple servers for their pages and for some reason I was always being directed to an un-updated one?

On the whole, I've always gotten good use from findchips.com and I hope it continues to be helpful in the future.  Change isn't always for the better.

Rob
                                         

2010\09\01@125321 by Vitaliy

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Robert Young wrote:
> Vitaly (I think it was Vitaly, anyway) posted the press release about the
> sale.  And because I use findchips.com on a nearly daily basis I had
> occasion to go there again yesterday.
>
> Lo and behold, NOW (days later) I see the changes he was talking about in
> the web site.  What I don't understand is why I couldn't see them before.
>
> Yes, I dump my cache frequently.  I even did it special just for his
> original post to try and see what he saw.
>
> I'm getting the feeling it might be multiple servers for their pages and
> for some reason I was always being directed to an un-updated one?

I want to say it was DNS propagation issues, but when I looked into it yesterday, the URL http://www.findchips.com got me to the new site, but the IP that the URL resolved to (via ping and whois tools), got me the old one.

I don't remember enough about how the internet works to come up with an explanation that would make sense.

Vitaliy

2010\09\01@130205 by Robert Young

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2010\09\01@135925 by Olin Lathrop

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Vitaliy wrote:
> I want to say it was DNS propagation issues, but when I looked into it
> yesterday, the URL http://www.findchips.com got me to the new site, but the
> IP that the URL resolved to (via ping and whois tools), got me the
> old one.
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> I don't remember enough about how the internet works to come up with
> an explanation that would make sense.

This is just a wild guess, but it might have been a TTL issue.  The DNS
records were switched, but the old one gave out a fairly long TTL value so
stayed valid in various caches.  Whether or not you got the old or new one
then dependended on which DNS server you asked, and whether it had the old
one still cached with a valid remaining lifetime, or didn't and therefore
had to ask the official DNS server for that domain.

Usually you set the TTL value low then wait for all the old longer leases to
expire before switching DNS entries, for exactly this reason.  Or if it's
just a web site, you can keep the new site a identical copy of the old one
until the last possible old DNS lease expires.  Apparently these guys did
neither.


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2010\09\02@163719 by Vitaliy

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
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How does this theory account for the fact that the IP that the URL resolved to, pointed to the old site, while if you entered the URL in the browser, it went to the new site?

Vitaliy

2010\09\02@171405 by Olin Lathrop

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Vitaliy wrote:
> How does this theory account for the fact that the IP that the URL
> resolved to, pointed to the old site, while if you entered the URL in
> the browser, it went to the new site?

If that was on the same machine I can't explain it.  Maybe the browser was
using a different DNS server, but doesn't sound likely.

Hmm.  Does the browser go thru a proxy server?  If so, it could be using a
different machine's cache or asking a different DNS server.


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2010\09\02@172115 by Mark Rages

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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vitaliy <RemoveMEpiclistKILLspamspammaksimov.org> wrote:
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As of HTTP 1.1, part of the web browser's request is the full URL of
the web page requested.

The webserver can use the hostname in this URL to decide which page to
serve.  This is called "virtual hosting".

A single IP address can serve thousands of hostnames this way.  Or, as
seems to be the case here, you can serve production and testing
versions of a website depending on the hostname part of the URL.

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2010\09\02@180148 by Michael Watterson

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 On 02/09/2010 22:21, Mark Rages wrote:
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> As of HTTP 1.1, part of the web browser's request is the full URL of
> the web page requested.
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> The webserver can use the hostname in this URL to decide which page to
> serve.  This is called "virtual hosting".
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> A single IP address can serve thousands of hostnames this way.  Or, as
> seems to be the case here, you can serve production and testing
> versions of a website depending on the hostname part of the URL.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
> markrages@gmail
Also

The URL may be at the destination a load balancing proxy. Some sites will use then the PREVIOUS cookie to serve site content or even a different server. Google has served DIFFERENT home pages from different servers during test. We proved this by deletion of cookie.

2010\09\02@183434 by Michael Watterson

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 On 02/09/2010 23:01, Michael Watterson wrote:
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We got puzzled because two of us side by side on same public IP to same URL getting DIFFERENT Google home page at same time. (they testing a new design). No amount of fiddling with different URLs or preferences would change it, only cookie blocking restored the then ordinary Google

2010\09\02@224800 by RussellMc

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Traceroute may tell you why you can't get there from here, or
wherever, and how you don;t get there.

> I want to say it was DNS propagation issues, but when I looked into it
> yesterday, the URL http://www.findchips.com got me to the new site, but the IP that
> the URL resolved to (via ping and whois tools), got me the old one.

Tracerouting access to a database that my wife uses from home was
interesting. The company is in Mairangi Bay - about ?15? crow-flies
miles from here. The route took me to somewhere in the US. The company
has offices in many countries and head office is in The Netherlands
but I hadn't realised that the server that she uses wasn't local.


           Russel

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