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'[EE] Cold fusion tomorrow, in Italy!'
2011\01\14@103828 by enkitec

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http://tinyurl.com/4lwkyg2

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20110005506 <http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20110005506>

http://it.notizie.yahoo.com/1/20110113/tit-ho-realizzato-la-fusione-fredda-annu-e23ea19_1.html <http://it.notizie.yahoo.com/1/20110113/tit-ho-realizzato-la-fusione-fredda-annu-e23ea19_1.html>

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/ <http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/>

2011\01\14@110400 by Nicola Perotto

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I'm a bit skeptic, maybe because I read other italian newspapers today ;-))

they sayd this: "we can't say why..."


On 14/01/2011 15.37, spam_OUTenkitecTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com wrote:
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2011\01\14@111258 by Tamas Rudnai

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If no one is replying to this from Italy by tomorrow, then we will know that
the experimental has failed...

Tamas


On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Nicola Perotto <.....nicolaKILLspamspam@spam@nicolaperotto.it>wrote:

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2011\01\14@112646 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 11:12 AM 14/01/2011, you wrote:
>If no one is replying to this from Italy by tomorrow, then we will know that
>the experimental has failed...
>
>Tamas

Exciting, but we've been disappointed before.

I note that the demonstration is to be made at the University of
Bologna..

(see "Il Dottore") .. possibly the origin of the English phrase
"full of baloney".

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2011\01\14@114646 by Bob Ammerman

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamas Rudnai" <EraseMEtamas.rudnaispam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com>
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> If no one is replying to this from Italy by tomorrow, then we will know
> that
> the experimental has failed...
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> Tamas
Or succeeded beyond wildest expectations :-)

-- Bob Ammerman
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2011\01\14@165555 by Chris Roper

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Multi-kilowatt Ni-H cold fusion demo under way January 14 in Italy

Presently, Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi are holding a press
conference about kilowatt cold fusion reactor using nickel and
hydrogen that can produce up to 10 kilowatts: with 100 of such modules
being made for a 1 MW plant in construction. A reporter is posting
live updates from the scene.

http://pesn.com/2011/01/14/9501743_10_kW_nickel_hydrogen_cold_fusion_demo_coming_January_15_in_Italy

2011\01\14@171313 by Olin Lathrop

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Chris Roper wrote:
> Presently, Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi are holding a press
> conference about kilowatt cold fusion reactor using nickel and
> hydrogen that can produce up to 10 kilowatts: with 100 of such modules
> being made for a 1 MW plant in construction.

Has anyone checked whether these guys look suspiciously like Ponds and
Fleichman with mustaches stuck on or something?  Is this going to be a vague
looking block of something with wires hanging out, then Mssrs Focardi and
Rossi skedaddling to parts unknown immediately after the press conference?


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2011\01\14@180804 by Oli Glaser

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On 14/01/2011 22:14, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Chris Roper wrote:
>> Presently, Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi are holding a press
>> conference about kilowatt cold fusion reactor using nickel and
>> hydrogen that can produce up to 10 kilowatts: with 100 of such modules
>> being made for a 1 MW plant in construction.
> Has anyone checked whether these guys look suspiciously like Ponds and
> Fleichman with mustaches stuck on or something?  Is this going to be a vague
> looking block of something with wires hanging out, then Mssrs Focardi and
> Rossi skedaddling to parts unknown immediately after the press conference?
>

Dunno, but we're going to find out very shortly. I won't be too surprised if either they, or the their "block of wires", or both skedaddle (or are "skedaddled") to parts unknown afterwards... :-)

2011\01\15@021756 by Jacopo Monegato

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it's FUN i live in bologna and even nobody in the university said a word about that ;)

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2011\01\15@124119 by Bob Blick

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Cold fusion in TECH or OT please! Not EE, thank you.

Bob

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2011\01\15@134708 by Robert Csaba Molnar

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So I guess rubbing to sticks together is still the closest we are to cold fusion?


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From: Jacopo Monegato <TakeThisOuTjack.monegatoEraseMEspamspam_OUThotmail.it>
Subject: RE: [EE] Cold fusion tomorrow, in Italy!
To: RemoveMEpiclistspamTakeThisOuTmit.edu
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it's FUN i live in bologna and even nobody in the university said a word about that ;)

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2011\01\15@155612 by V G

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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Robert Csaba Molnar
<RemoveMEmolnar_rcsspam_OUTspamKILLspamyahoo.com>wrote:

> So I guess rubbing to sticks together is still the closest we are to cold
> fusion?
>

Please explain

2011\01\15@173536 by Robert Csaba Molnar

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Well, if the experiment conducted at the Bologna university is full of baloney, than rubbing two wooden pegs together would generate more energy.



--- On Sat, 1/15/11, V G <RemoveMEx.solarwind.xTakeThisOuTspamspamgmail.com> wrote:

From: V G <EraseMEx.solarwind.xspamspamspamBeGonegmail.com>
Subject: Re: [EE] Cold fusion tomorrow, in Italy!
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <RemoveMEpiclistKILLspamspammit.edu>
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 10:55 PM

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Robert Csaba Molnar
<molnar_rcsSTOPspamspamspam_OUTyahoo.com>wrote:

> So I guess rubbing to sticks together is still the closest we are to cold
> fusion?
>

Please explain

2011\01\15@174106 by M. Adam Davis

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Ha!  The "presentation" has all the trappings of a scam.  I love one
comment by one of the inventors, "Rossi maintains that at a
theoretical level we can only speculate what happens in the machinery"
then they indicate that some of the copper inside the reactor turns
into nickel, etc.  This would actually be a good development, because
relative to nickel, copper is cheap!  Maybe they can increase the
"frequency" of the reaction and turn it into gold...

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/bolognia-14111-cronaca-test-fusione_14.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522focardi%2522%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Dqdr:w%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1

Shortened: http://goo.gl/GQF9N

It's a funny read.  I also love the fact that they are wearing coats
around their cold fusion apparatus, as if to make sure people
understand it's not just cold fusion, it's *COLD* fusion.  Sure,
they're in a shed, and it may not be well heated, but it's funny all
the same.

Ah well.  If it really works, then the company they've set up to
commercialize it will have units out in the world in a short time.  If
it doesn't, then they'll burn through the investment others have made
in their discovery while explaining that they are very close, and
they've discovered one more small problem that requires investigation,
but they're sure it won't delay the project by more than another month
or three, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not holding my breath...

-Adam

2011\01\15@191722 by smplx

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011, M. Adam Davis wrote:

> Ha!  The "presentation" has all the trappings of a scam.  I love one
> comment by one of the inventors, "Rossi maintains that at a
> theoretical level we can only speculate what happens in the machinery"
> then they indicate that some of the copper inside the reactor turns
> into nickel, etc.  This would actually be a good development, because
> relative to nickel, copper is cheap!  Maybe they can increase the
> "frequency" of the reaction and turn it into gold...

A long time ago someone found that a stone could be used to point to the north star even when it could not be seen. I'm sure many people didn't belive it because they couldn't get their stones to do the same.

I'm not saying this isn't a scam but wouldn't it be nice if all the energy that is being expended on ridicule were actually redirected to actually thinking about ways it could be made to work.

There are still lots of different types of magic stones remaining to be discovered. Just remember, the alchemist of today is the scientist of tomorrow.

Regards
Sergio Masc

2011\01\15@195745 by Oli Glaser

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On 16/01/2011 00:22, smplx wrote:
> I'm not saying this isn't a scam but wouldn't it be nice if all the energy
> that is being expended on ridicule were actually redirected to actually
> thinking about ways it could be made to work.
>
> There are still lots of different types of magic stones remaining to be
> discovered. Just remember, the alchemist of today is the scientist of
> tomorrow.

Fair point, but I think a "healthy" scepticism + a bit of humour (which it is in my case - I certainly don't like to ridicule, can't speak for others) is okay, and necessary in the pursuit of science (as, of course is confidence to tread new ground, and not blindly stick to the beaten path, not worry about looking foolish occasionally etc)
I wish best of luck to them if they are genuine.
Also, (unfortunately) there are far too many "scientists" today that turn out to be alchemists tomorrow.. :-)

2011\01\15@205819 by Bob Blick

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OK, I realize I need to spell it out each and every time I say something
like this.

Change the tag. This is not EE.

It never should have been tagged EE.

It should have been tagged TECH or OT.

Now it is definitely OT.

Do not reply to any message on this thread unless you change the tag to
the correct one.

Thanks,

Bob


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2011\01\16@085957 by Olin Lathrop

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Oli Glaser wrote:
> Fair point, but I think a "healthy" scepticism + a bit of humour
> (which
> it is in my case - I certainly don't like to ridicule, can't speak for
> others) is okay, and necessary in the pursuit of science (as, of
> course
> is confidence to tread new ground, and not blindly stick to the beaten
> path, not worry about looking foolish occasionally etc)
> I wish best of luck to them if they are genuine.

So now that this event has supposedly concluded, what actually happened?  If
these guys were able to demonstrate cold fusion, it would have been major
world news.  All I heard on the radio in the car this morning was the usual
weather report, traffic conditions, etc.  What was actually said or shown at
the new conference?


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2011\01\16@103411 by Oli Glaser

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On 16/01/2011 14:00, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> So now that this event has supposedly concluded, what actually happened?  If
> these guys were able to demonstrate cold fusion, it would have been major
> world news.  All I heard on the radio in the car this morning was the usual
> weather report, traffic conditions, etc.  What was actually said or shown at
> the new conference?
>

No idea - I was waiting for someone on here to announce the results...

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