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'[EE] Appropriate content for EE (was: Jet ski -- p'
2008\08\16@180300 by Vitaliy

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Richard Seriani, Sr wrote:
>> Charles, I paused for a minute before submitting the post, and considered
>> whether to send it to OT or EE. However, I really needed an expert
>> response
>> to an engineering question -- therefore, I felt that EE was appropriate.
>>
>
> Now that's funny!
> An EXPERT response to a marine, motosport, or mechanical engineering
> question on the PIClist??
> By the very nature of this list, it isn't likely too many of those folks
> hang out here.

Richard, are you subscribed to OT? If so, please move the discussion on what
is appropriate or not there (I'm replying in EE because I want to make sure
you get the reply). If not, please reply offlist.

The topic has been beaten to death: PICList is no longer just about PICs. In
fact, the number of PIC-related posts represents a fraction of overall list
traffic. If you want pure PIC traffic, then the Microchip forum is more
appropriate for you.

To me, the greatest thing about this List is its high concentration of very
intelligent people with expertise in a dazzling variety of topics. I don't
want the PICList to be just about PICs.

Prior to posting here, I went on Jet Ski forums, and quite frankly was very
disappointed by the quality of responses. You may think it's funny, but the
responses I received were indeed very useful. As I expected, there are many
people here with experience working with engines, who provided valuable
insight and potentially saved me a lot of $$$.

Per Russell's suggestion, I will post similar message in the [TECH] category
from now on. However, for the record, I still think the post was borderline
appropriate, as it was an ENGINEering question about ENGINEs. It definitely
increased my understanding of engines, and no doubt others may find it
useful (now or in the future, while Googling Nabble).


Just to be more clear on what is and isn't appropriate for EE, can Bob
Blick, Apptech, et all explain which part of the post was not suitable for
EE?

Would a question about the general operation of internal combustion engines
be appropriate? How about a question about the general operation of a
vehicle (auto, plane, watercraft)?

Also, why is a question about reparing a CRT or a DVD appropriate, if a
question about the reasons a watercraft engine failed, isn't? If the reason
is that EE stands for "Electrical Engineering" (and not "Everything
Engineering"), what about a post about fuel economy?

Vitaliy

P.S. FWIW, I think way too much time is being spent drawing the line in the
sand. There are posts which are clearly inappropriate, but many are
borderline, and IMHO the attitude toward those should be "don't like, don't
read". I don't understand why people prefer to wage debates, when deleting
the post without reading is so much quicker.

P.P.S. The two people who complained about inappropriate posting in the
"water in the engine" thread should consider trimming their replies, and
avoiding top posting.


2008\08\16@203429 by Richard Seriani, Sr.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vitaliy" <spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTspammaksimov.org>
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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [EE] Appropriate content for EE (was: Jet ski -- possible
waysfor the water to get in the engine?)


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I decline your offer for two reasons:
1) I assume any email address that starts with the word "spam" is a junk
address that acts as a black hole.
2) I think what I have to say is as important to the group as what you have
to say.

>
> The topic has been beaten to death: PICList is no longer just about PICs.
> In
> fact, the number of PIC-related posts represents a fraction of overall
> list
> traffic. If you want pure PIC traffic, then the Microchip forum is more
> appropriate for you.

While this list is not just about PICs it has, until the past few months,
been at least somewhat related to electrical/electronics engineering. I can
limit exposure to the majority of the OT discussions by not subscribing to
that part of the list. However, that only works if people keep the OT stuff
under that topic. This goes for the new TECH tag as well, mainly because I
feel it is just another version of OT. Filtering works for me because I am
weak and devote entirely too much time to reading posts.

>
> To me, the greatest thing about this List is its high concentration of
> very
> intelligent people with expertise in a dazzling variety of topics. I don't
> want the PICList to be just about PICs.

I completely agree that there are a lot of intelligent people on this list.
I, too, have received help on this list and, hopefully, provided some. I
also know this list will never be just about PICs.

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No, they can't. Go back and look at the strings of posts on this topic a few
months back. It pretty much boils down to opinion. Even the index page of
the list ( http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist/index.htm) and the list
info (http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist) don't quite agree on
what is what. However, my opinion is that the second reference makes it
pretty clear that your initial post belonged in TECH.

I understand the basis of your opinion and why you selected EE.
I hope you understand my opinion as to why it doesn't belong there. If so,
this is the best we can hope for.

>
> Would a question about the general operation of internal combustion
> engines
> be appropriate? How about a question about the general operation of a
> vehicle (auto, plane, watercraft)?

See above

>
> Also, why is a question about reparing a CRT or a DVD appropriate, if a
> question about the reasons a watercraft engine failed, isn't? If the
> reason
> is that EE stands for "Electrical Engineering" (and not "Everything
> Engineering"), what about a post about fuel economy?

No, it doesn't. See above references

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Saying "don't like, don't read" is hardly a way to resolve the issue. If
that were the criteria we are going to use, why bother with tags at all?

>
> P.P.S. The two people who complained about inappropriate posting in the
> "water in the engine" thread should consider trimming their replies, and
> avoiding top posting.
>
Okay. This is in-line posted.

I'm not sure what you expect by "trimming replies", unless you expected me
to delete all but the lines I was responding to. I've seen it written on
this list (and others) to NOT trim because then folks don't know what you
are responding to or that it takes too much out of context. Oh well, can't
please everyone.

I hope your jet-ski problem is solved. I look forward to all your future
posts on topics I have an interest in and I am sure I will be looking for
help with problems you have experience with. I trust this difference of
opinion will not prevent future dialog.

Have a wonderful evening.

Sincerely,
Richard




2008\08\16@215030 by Apptech

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Consider this a semi official reply.

>> ... EE stands for "Electrical Engineering" (and not
>> "Everything
>> Engineering"), what about a post about fuel economy?

[EE] is *meant* [tm] NOW to mean "Electrical Engineering".
This has obviously not been made clear enough.

Consider Bob Blick (in his role as admin with the task of
looking after the EE divide) to have final guidance on this,
but:

[EE] now = Electrical Engineering (was "Everything
Engineering".).

It's about electrical stuff not covered by a specialist tag
(PIC, AVR, ...) *AND* which "you" can do or may do yourself.
eg disussions about power stations (nuclear, hydro, solar,
...) do NOT belong UNLESS you can build them yourself or
it's about individuals building them.

Electrical stuff which fails that test and is not relevant
to a specialist tag (PIC etc) belongs in TECH.

Non electrical technical stuff (like eg water ski engine
fine points) may also belong in TECH.



       Russell


2008\08\21@042432 by Dario Greggio

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Vitaliy wrote:

> To me, the greatest thing about this List is its high concentration of very
> intelligent people with expertise in a dazzling variety of topics. I don't
> want the PICList to be just about PICs.

love this one :)))

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Ciao, Dario -- ADPM Synthesis sas -- http://www.adpm.tk

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