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'[EE] Anybody Use FUTURLEC (Asian PCB shop)'
2006\08\31@220256 by Bob Axtell

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Anybody have any experience with these guys?

--Bob

2006\08\31@222446 by Carey Fisher

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Their PCBd prices are outstanding.  Now to see if I get my boards this
week and if they are built well.  I'll let you know.
Carey

Bob Axtell wrote:
> Anybody have any experience with these guys?
>
> --Bob
>  

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2006\08\31@224159 by PicDude

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I googled them some time ago (over a year ago), and found a lot of discussions
on different forums complaining about their poor customer service and orders
that weren't shipped/received.  Never bothered to investigate beyond that.

-Neil.


On Thursday 31 August 2006 21:02, Bob Axtell wrote:
> Anybody have any experience with these guys?
>
> --Bob

2006\08\31@224415 by John Chung

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How is the pricing? Any hints?

John

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2006\08\31@224637 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 19:02 -0700, Bob Axtell wrote:
> Anybody have any experience with these guys?

Yup, used them in May/June of this year. Very nice quality boards. Only
complaint I have is it took twice as long as they promised to arrive,
and they never answered any of my emails about delivery.

Unfortunately the lack of any response to queries, and the uncertainty
of timeline means I'll probably never use them again. Shame, their
prices are good, and the boards are quite nice.

TTYL

2006\08\31@232515 by Tony Smith

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> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 19:02 -0700, Bob Axtell wrote:
> > Anybody have any experience with these guys?
>
> Yup, used them in May/June of this year. Very nice quality
> boards. Only complaint I have is it took twice as long as
> they promised to arrive, and they never answered any of my
> emails about delivery.
>
> Unfortunately the lack of any response to queries, and the
> uncertainty of timeline means I'll probably never use them
> again. Shame, their prices are good, and the boards are quite nice.


They're fairly slow for components as well, but in my experience at least
it's been consistent.  Usually 2-3 weeks after placing an order (I'm in
Australia, and they ship from Thailand).

I tend to use Futurlec to 'stock up', so slow delivery isn't really a
problem.  They tend to be much cheaper than the local stores, eg a ULN2003
in singles is $AU3.50 locally, Futurlec is ~$AU0.40, maybe $AU0.50 allowing
for $shipping.

Tony


'[EE] Anybody Use FUTURLEC (Asian PCB shop)'
2006\09\01@003346 by Herbert Graf
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On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 19:44 -0700, John Chung wrote:
> How is the pricing? Any hints?
>
> John

I'm not sure about "hints". Go to their site, click on PCB manufacture,
enter your PCB details and they give you a quote including costs for
options. Very slick, very simple.

TTYL

2006\09\01@084042 by Carey Fisher

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I believe it was USD61.00 for QTY10 double-sided, double masked, double
silkscreened thru hole boards.  The same thing from, for example,
Accutrace, 4pcb.com, pcb4u.com, Advanced Circuits etc would be 250 and
up due to tooling and minimums.

Here is their pricing for my order:

Step 6: Board Summary


Length: 31.75 mm
Width: 31.75 mm
Area: 1008.06 mm sq
Board Type: Double-Sided
Silk Screen: Yes
Solder Mask: Yes

Printed Circuit Board Quotation        
Qty         Description         Each         Total        
10         Double-Sided Printed Circuit Boards        1.01         10.10        
1         Silk-Screening for above boards        12.00         12.00        
2         Solder-Mask for above boards        12.00         24.00        
1         Setup and Artwork for above boards        15.00         15.00        
Total (USD)         61.1        



I am concerned however about delivery.  I placed the order on Friday,
Aug 24. On Aug 27 they said "Many thanks your baords are already in
production and will be ready during this week."  Today (Sept1), in
response to my inquiry, they say "Your boards will be completed and
ready to ship around next week."

Carey

John Chung wrote:
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2006\09\01@090854 by Timothy Weber

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Herbert Graf wrote:
> Unfortunately the lack of any response to queries, and the uncertainty
> of timeline means I'll probably never use them again. Shame, their
> prices are good, and the boards are quite nice.

I had a similar experience with unanswered questions about their PCB
service.  Didn't end up using them.

No problem with components, though, apart from the aforementioned
slowness.  And the prices are very good.
--
Timothy J. Weber
http://timothyweber.org

2006\09\01@091051 by Bob Axtell

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Thanks, Carey. Keep us posted.

Carey Fisher wrote:
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2006\09\06@183113 by Carey Fisher

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Keeping you posted:

I asked again yesterday about board delivery and they replied:

   Dear Sir,
   
   Your order will be completed and ready to ship within this week.
     
   Best Regards



Getting to look a little iffy - especially since I placed the order on
Aug 24.  Good thing these boards aren't (yet) critical.  I'll let y'all
know if and when I receive them.

Carey


Bob Axtell wrote:
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2006\09\06@190532 by Bob Axtell

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Not a good sign.

--Bob

Carey Fisher wrote:
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2006\09\06@193052 by Jeff Farr

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I've bought components from futurlec many times now, all reports (both
positive and negative) are true.  Your only real option in dealing
with them is to have faith and remember how cheap their prices are.

Never dealt with their PCB manufacturing, but it sounds like the same deal.

2006\09\06@204036 by Victor Faria

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I ordered some from them about a year ago, it did take some time > 2weeks
victor
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2006\09\06@224114 by John Chung

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I had the same response but if they cannot deliver
they will pay you back. You can try Olimex if you need
faster service.

John

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2006\09\07@015753 by Tony Smith

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Despite the form letter response, it sounds like they're right on schedule.
It takes them 2-3 weeks to ship components...

I'd be interested in the quality, I've a bunch of little PCBs that my local
house doesn't like making for some reason.

Tony

2006\09\07@072235 by Bob Axtell

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John Chung wrote:
> I had the same response but if they cannot deliver
> they will pay you back. You can try Olimex if you need
> faster service.
>
> John
>  
But the shipping costs at Olimex are crippling. I have to order high
quantities
to afford the shipping to the USA west.

--Bob

2006\09\07@083921 by John Chung

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Olimex is about Airmail parcel
USD $6,00 (5-14 days)

or you can try

http://www.batchpcb.com/index.php
which is linked from sparkfun

John

       


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2006\09\07@112906 by Tamas Rudnai

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That's to shipping to Europe. The rest of the world (incl. USA) is priced at
$9 and 8-14 days.

Tamas


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2006\09\07@120108 by Gerry Duprey

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Howdy,

>     Dear Sir,
>      
>     Your order will be completed and ready to ship within this week.
>      
>     Best Regards

I get these sorts of emails from them all the time.  Unfortunatly, it's rarely
accurate.

I find Futurlec really frustrating in the sense for for PC Boards, they make a
really nice board -- very clean and sharp, excellent drilling and plating,
excellent silk screening -- and are considerably less expensive than others
(especially in smallish lots).

But they never seem to deliver things on time.  I've had boards show up in a
week and others show in 4 weeks.  I want to use them because they make it
really easy (just ship the Eagle .brd files), but Grrrr.

If they did a crappy job, it would be easy to drop them completely.  And if
they could get reliable turn around time, they would be a top choice.

Typical engineering axiom:  Good, Cheap, Fast: Pick Two.

I use them when timing is not critical, but if I had a deadline in the near
term, I'd never be able to depend on them.

Gerry
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2006\09\07@224145 by John Chung

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Gerry,
 
  Who would you depend on for quick PCB?

John

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2006\09\08@013724 by Bob Axtell

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John Chung wrote:
> Gerry,
>  
>    Who would you depend on for quick PCB?
>
>  
For bare PCBs, I like AP Circuits in Alberta, CA. That's no
SS/SM. I just bought 4 PCBs 1.5"x1.5" for $55 USD.

--Bob

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2006\09\08@092721 by alan smith

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pcbfabexpress or advanced circuits

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  Who would you depend on for quick PCB?

John

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2006\09\08@094236 by alan smith

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there is also barebonespcb, similar to AP, turn around is usually a day or two

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> Gerry,
>  
>    Who would you depend on for quick PCB?
>
>  
For bare PCBs, I like AP Circuits in Alberta, CA. That's no
SS/SM. I just bought 4 PCBs 1.5"x1.5" for $55 USD.

--Bob

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2006\09\10@120144 by Gerry Duprey

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Howdy,

>    Who would you depend on for quick PCB?

Uh, very good question.  I had one experience with a USA firm that
turned the project around pretty quickly (3 days, which is what they
promised).  The board quality was pretty good (I think the Futurlec
boards were better, but only marginally so), but we had a major falling
out over extra charges that appeared on the invoice.  They were not
terribly excessive (less than $100), but there were for things that I
was told (via email -- I didn't misunderstand a phone conversation) were
included in the original quote and they would not budge even when I
pointed the previous quotes out.  I have little tolerance for that.  In
fact, I would have paid the cumulative price (the project was time
sensitive and the client didn't really care about those costs), I just
don't appreciate what felt like being taken advantage of.

So, short answer -- I don't have anyone right now.  I'll scout around
next time I have a time sensitive project.

Gerry
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2006\09\10@133639 by John Chung

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I think nobody like HIDDEN cost. Thanks for the input
Gerry.

John

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2006\09\11@142251 by Bob Axtell

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Bob Axtell wrote:
> Bob Axtell wrote:
>> John Chung wrote:
>>> I had the same response but if they cannot deliver
>>> they will pay you back. You can try Olimex if you need
>>> faster service.
>>>
>>> John
>>>  
>> But the shipping costs at Olimex are crippling. I have to order high
>> quantities
>>
>
But  is this true? Can I get Olimex PCBs shipped to me reasonably?

I thought I caught a note that they would ship for $16 USD to the US. Can
anybody verify?

--Bob

2006\09\11@144328 by Dan Smith

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On 9/11/06, Bob Axtell <TakeThisOuTengineerspamspamneomailbox.com> wrote:
> But  is this true? Can I get Olimex PCBs shipped to me reasonably?
>
> I thought I caught a note that they would ship for $16 USD to the US. Can
> anybody verify?

http://www.olimex.com/pcb/shipopt.html shows the following shipping
costs to the US:

Airmail Parcel $9.00 (8-14 days)
Express Mail $60.00 (4-7 days)
Fedex $55.00 (2-3 days)

Dan

2006\09\11@163545 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Dan Smith wrote:

>> I thought I caught a note that they would ship for $16 USD to the US.
>> Can anybody verify?
>
> http://www.olimex.com/pcb/shipopt.html shows the following shipping
> costs to the US:
>
> Airmail Parcel $9.00 (8-14 days)
> Express Mail $60.00 (4-7 days)
> Fedex $55.00 (2-3 days)

FWIW, postal services usually don't guarantee delivery times, and even the
upper number is more of a guesstimate. I don't think they have a feedback
loop that updates these numbers with real delivery numbers, so I can't
imagine where they get them from in the first place (other than from
imagination :).

Even private carriers like Fedex and UPS often do not include customs
delays in their delivery times.

Gerhard

2006\09\12@021633 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> > Airmail Parcel $9.00 (8-14 days)
> > Express Mail $60.00 (4-7 days)
> > Fedex $55.00 (2-3 days)
>
> FWIW, postal services usually don't guarantee delivery times,
> and even the
> upper number is more of a guesstimate. I don't think they
> have a feedback
> loop that updates these numbers with real delivery numbers, so I can't
> imagine where they get them from in the first place

I guess: from what those services state. Those ranges might not be 100%
reliable, but they still indicate the relative speed of the various
services.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\09\12@021633 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> But  is this true? Can I get Olimex PCBs shipped to me reasonably?
>
> I thought I caught a note that they would ship for $16 USD to
> the US. Can anybody verify?

'reasonably' is a personal judgement, and I am not in the USA, but they
ship to me for the fee listed on their website.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\09\12@081346 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

>>> Airmail Parcel $9.00 (8-14 days)
>>> Express Mail $60.00 (4-7 days)
>>> Fedex $55.00 (2-3 days)
>>
>> FWIW, postal services usually don't guarantee delivery times, and even
>> the upper number is more of a guesstimate. I don't think they have a
>> feedback loop that updates these numbers with real delivery numbers, so
>> I can't imagine where they get them from in the first place
>
> I guess: from what those services state.

With "they" above I meant "those services" -- I don't really know where
those services get the numbers from they state. And I don't think they
(those services) have a feedback loop that makes sure that the numbers they
(those services) state for international shipments have any relationship
with reality.

I use frequently USPS Global Priority Mail from the USA to Brazil. USPS
states 4 to 6 days
(http://www.usps.com/business/mailingtools/mailingproducts.htm?from=home&page=mailingproductsservices).
This is also what the clerks inform, and is of course what therefore the
sender expects. The real delivery time is more like 2 to 5 weeks, with 3 to
4 weeks being most common. If they had any sort of feedback loop, they
couldn't state with a straight face that it takes 4 to 6 days. (Or maybe
they could... :)

> Those ranges might not be 100% reliable, but they still indicate the
> relative speed of the various services.

Kind of, maybe, sometimes :)

Gerhard

2006\09\12@083136 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> With "they" above I meant "those services" -- I don't really
> know where those services get the numbers from they state.

Dunno fo other services, but the Dutch postal services do cehck their
own services. And the Dutch 'consumers union' do that too, and always
seem to get a (slightly) worse outcome. But not too much difference. I
guess ~ 90% of all domestic packages arrive the next day. But I have had
one arrive after 3 months ...

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\09\12@084213 by Carey Fisher

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
>
> I use frequently USPS Global Priority Mail from the USA to Brazil. USPS
> states 4 to 6 days
> (http://www.usps.com/business/mailingtools/mailingproducts.htm?from=home&page=mailingproductsservices).
> This is also what the clerks inform, and is of course what therefore the
> sender expects. The real delivery time is more like 2 to 5 weeks, with 3 to
> 4 weeks being most common. If they had any sort of feedback loop, they
> couldn't state with a straight face that it takes 4 to 6 days. (Or maybe
> they could... :)
>  
If they knew the REAL truth, they wouldn't offer the service at all with
a straight face.  Two out of four shipments in the last year got
permanently lost between the USA and South Africa.  USPS states "yep -
we have a record that you sent it but we have no further record of
it...".  What kind of BS is that?  No wonder lots of folks are reluctant
to sell overseas from the USA.  USPS domestic service is cheap and
reliable - international service really stinks.

Carey

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2006\09\12@140127 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

>> With "they" above I meant "those services" -- I don't really
>> know where those services get the numbers from they state.
>
> Dunno fo other services, but the Dutch postal services do cehck their
> own services. And the Dutch 'consumers union' do that too, and always
> seem to get a (slightly) worse outcome.

Yup, I believe that. But I have yet to see something like that work across
borders.

> I guess ~ 90% of all domestic packages arrive the next day.

Keyword being "domestic" :)

Gerhard

2006\09\12@140643 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Carey Fisher wrote:

> If they knew the REAL truth, they wouldn't offer the service at all with
> a straight face.  Two out of four shipments in the last year got
> permanently lost between the USA and South Africa.  

A package with (among other items) my mom's cookies got "lost" from Germany
to Brazil :)

> USPS states "yep - we have a record that you sent it but we have no
> further record of it...".  What kind of BS is that?  

It's the kind of BS that results from the individual national postal
services not having a decent tracking interface to each other. Many,
probably most, postal services have most of what would be needed
internally, but they don't interface well their internal "features" with
other countries' postal services. Put customs in the middle, with their
general attitude of "we are not answering to anybody", and all bets are
open.

Gerhard

2006\09\12@233848 by Carey Fisher

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Well, I asked again yesterday and today I received the response:

"Thanks for your message and your order has been shipped on 08/09/06.  
Your tracking number is VF 098 99 23 US and it will arrive in a few days."

So, maybe I will get the boards this week.  (I assume that's Sept 8, not
Aug 9 :) )

If so, that would be 3 weeks.  Not bad especially considering the
price.  But... I have to receive the boards first before I celebrate.

Carey

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2006\09\13@031848 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> "Thanks for your message and your order has been shipped on
> 08/09/06.  
> Your tracking number is VF 098 99 23 US and it will arrive in
> a few days."
>
> So, maybe I will get the boards this week.  (I assume that's
> Sept 8, not Aug 9 :) )

but are you sure about *20*06?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\09\13@063139 by Joe McCauley

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Well please do keep us informed. I have a board to send out soon. Time is
much less of an issue than cost on this particular one & they appear to cost
a lot less than getting it done locally. Has anyone used their assembly
service?

Joe

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2006\09\13@063510 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Carey Fisher wrote:

> "Thanks for your message and your order has been shipped on 08/09/06.  
> Your tracking number is VF 098 99 23 US and it will arrive in a few days."
>
> So, maybe I will get the boards this week.  (I assume that's Sept 8, not
> Aug 9 :) )

One more plug for the ISO date format... 2006-09-08 (yyyy-mm-dd) is the
most unambiguous in international communication.

Gerhard

2006\09\13@065322 by Tamas Rudnai

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> One more plug for the ISO date format... 2006-09-08 (yyyy-mm-dd) is the
> most unambiguous in international communication.

Well, it is far better then confusing between British (dd-mm-yy) or American
(mm-dd-yy) format if the day is no more than 12 :-) For example yesterday
was 12-09-06 or 09-12-06? (Actually ISO format is very easy to understand by
myself as in the Hungarian language we do the same -- just like Japanese :-)

Tamas


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2006\09\13@071539 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> > One more plug for the ISO date format... 2006-09-08
> (yyyy-mm-dd) is the
> > most unambiguous in international communication.
>
> Well, it is far better then confusing between British
> (dd-mm-yy) or American
> (mm-dd-yy) format if the day is no more than 12 :-) For
> example yesterday
> was 12-09-06 or 09-12-06? (Actually ISO format is very easy
> to understand by
> myself as in the Hungarian language we do the same -- just
> like Japanese :-)

and sorting alphabetically (files in explorer) it sorts on date!

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\09\13@101659 by Gerry Duprey

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Howdy,

Joe McCauley wrote:
> Well please do keep us informed. I have a board to send out soon. Time is
> much less of an issue than cost on this particular one & they appear to cost
> a lot less than getting it done locally. Has anyone used their assembly
> service?

Not used their assembly service -- just PCB proto mfgr and if you can
deal with the delays, the boards are pretty top shelf.  I get the silk
screen and solder mask and the whole thing comes back very professional.

That really is what is so frustrating with dealing with them -- they
produce a really excellent product, but they seem entirely
unpredictable.  I've even suggested that instead of saying a week and
then it taking longer, just set peoples expectation at 3 weeks.  While
I'd love it to be faster, most of the aggravation is not knowing when
it'll be done.  I'd be less frustrated if I knew it would always be 3
weeks if they were explicit up front.

But, back to your question -- I've seen a number of proto PCBs and about
1/2 of them have off-center drill holes, raggedy corners, mis-stamped
silkscreen (i.e. stamped a bit too far one way or the other) or other
minor glitches.  Their boards look pro even when getting only one done.

Gerry
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Ann Arbor, MI 48103
http://www.cdp1802.org

2006\09\13@103112 by Tamas Rudnai

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Is anybody from Europe could tell how much customs could be expected if
ordering from Futurlec or Olimex (as far as I know Bulgaria not yet joined
to the EU, did it?).

Tamas


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2006\09\13@104850 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Is anybody from Europe could tell how much customs could be
>expected if ordering from Futurlec or Olimex (as far as I
>know Bulgaria not yet joined to the EU, did it?).

I have had olimex send boards to me in the UK without incurring customs.
They claim to be able to send to the whole of the EU VAT free.

The only thing to watch is the shipping. The default is the most expensive
unless you specify what you want. Also make sure your DRC checks against
their drill sizes and track/spacing dimensions, and that you do all holes as
plated through, as they do only one drilling pass for the proto stuff.

2006\09\13@132052 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Is anybody from Europe could tell how much customs could be
> expected if
> ordering from Futurlec or Olimex (as far as I know Bulgaria
> not yet joined to the EU, did it?).

In the Netherlands: 19% VAT, some fee for VAT handling (depends on
carrier). Note that I don't care whether I pay VAT to the carriere or
not: if I don't I'll have to 'pay' it later, and after that I can deduct
it.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2006\09\15@143923 by Carey Fisher - NCS

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Well, I got the boards today - 3 weeks.  The boards look great and the price was outstanding.
I'll order from Futurlec again when I can wait 3 weeks for the boards.

Now what are these boards are for......???

Carey
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2006\09\16@002019 by Tony Smith

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> Well, I got the boards today - 3 weeks.  The boards look
> great and the price was outstanding.
> I'll order from Futurlec again when I can wait 3 weeks for the boards.
>
> Now what are these boards are for......???
>
> Carey


Right on schedule!

Tony

2006\09\16@102527 by Carey Fisher

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Tony Smith wrote:
>> Well, I got the boards today - 3 weeks.  The boards look
>> great and the price was outstanding.
>> I'll order from Futurlec again when I can wait 3 weeks for the boards.
>>
>> Now what are these boards are for......???
>>
>> Carey
>>    
>
>
> Right on schedule!
>
> Tony
>
>  
Yup!!!  They are certainly reliable. And the quality is good.

Now if I could just remember what I wanted these boards for...

Carey
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2006\09\16@114202 by Tony Smith

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Thanks for the update, I might give them a try.

It's a bit of laugh, but the fact Futurlec always take 2-3 weeks actually
makes them a good supplier.  Makes planning a bit easier, and lowers your
stress levels a bit.  You KNOW they are coming, unlike some suppliers.

I used to work for a car maker dealing with accessories, and suppliers like
that were like gold.  The worst ones are those that deliver 99%, and getting
that last 1% is next to impossible.  I remember one wheel manufacturer who
rang me complaining about the fact his multi-million dollar cheque hadn't
arrived.  I traded him that for a few cheap plastic wheel inserts that had
been backordered for $deity know how long.  "Delivery next week" my arse.

Of course, the just-in-time trend doesn't help any.

Tony

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