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2006\08\19@055108 by Gus S Calabrese

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Sorry if this has been said before.
If someone cares about their fingers they can use the guards.
If someone wants to use the 4000 RPM to zero quickie stop,
they can wear special gloves that make sensing the hand easy.
"Realists" believe in universal personal responsibility.
'Fantasizers' believe some other system does or will " work"

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2006\08\19@064320 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Gus S Calabrese wrote:

> If someone cares about their fingers they can use the guards.
> If someone wants to use the 4000 RPM to zero quickie stop,
> they can wear special gloves that make sensing the hand easy.
> "Realists" believe in universal personal responsibility.
> 'Fantasizers' believe some other system does or will " work"

Why would you say that using one protection mechanism (special gloves) is
"realism" and using another one (skin contact detection) is "fantasy"? It
may not work yet fully, but it may one day. What's wrong with improving
solutions, coming up with new things? May not be your thing, but there's no
reason to bash it.

I'm sure you're wearing shoes when you go into the mountains... that was a
"fantasizers" solution at one time. All the force to people who try to
improve things, fantasize up new solutions.

Gerhard

2006\08\19@081636 by Tony Smith

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> Sorry if this has been said before.
> If someone cares about their fingers they can use the guards.
> If someone wants to use the 4000 RPM to zero quickie stop,
> they can wear special gloves that make sensing the hand easy.
> "Realists" believe in universal personal responsibility.
> 'Fantasizers' believe some other system does or will " work"


Special gloves.  Right.  Ever seen a welder do a 'quick weld'?

I accept personal responsibility.  I know I'll never fall off my bike, so I
don't wear a helmet.  I've never fallen over in the shower, so the door
doesn't have safety glass.  I'm a perfect driver, I don't wear seat belts.
I don't overload powerpoints and my wiring is 100%, so I don't use fuses.
My code is perfect, I don't use error handling.  I never slip with probes,
so I don't need an isolation transformer.  And so on.

"Realists" accept that the machinery is dangerous, and fit safety equipment.

"Fantasizers" believe their skill makes them safe.

I sliced up my thumb by being careless with a router.  I've seen fingers cut
off by tablesaws and bandsaws.  I've seen hair ripped out by drill presses.
I've seen legs sliced open by angle grinders.  I've seen fingers crushed by
pan brakes.  I've seen bruises & broken ribs from wood being kicked back.
I've seen eyes burnt by welders.

The tablesaw is arguable the most dangerous woodworking tool.

For many cuts on a tablesaw, you need to remove the guard.  Most woodworkers
use a sled, the guard must be removed.  Even with a guard, it won't save you
when cutting thick wood.  It only take a moment of inattention and you get
to discover what life is like with 7 fingers.

If you are an employer or teacher, it is your responsibility to ensure the
safety of your workers/students.  It's a fantasy to think otherwise.

It's hard enough to get people to wear safety glasses - no-one is ever going
to stop and put on a pair of 'special gloves'.  Accepting personal
responsibility is fine, so long as you also clean up the mess.  When you've
finished, drive yourself to hospital.

I used to rollerblade without a helmet.  After a few stitches in the back of
my head, I decided "personal responsibility" is just a little too painful.

My only beef with the SawStop is the guy is being an arsehole.

Tony

Oh, all those accidents?  At schools.  To children.

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