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2002\10\19@013756 by William Chops Westfield

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Maybe I'm just getting too much and my problem is unsolvable, but...  How do
y'all organize your parts collection (from a hobbyist/researchy lab
perspective, not "production parts")?  Some things I've got enough of for
them to justify their own little boxes, some things are in tubes, there's
the nominally nicely organized jameco set of resistors, there's the bags of
harvested caps (currently divided into "high voltage" and "low voltage"),
there's assorted chips from assorted families that might get grouped either
way, there's big and heavy inductors and transformers, there are LEDs and
light bulbs and reels of SMT parts and ammo packs of caps and new
transistors and harvested transistors, and all too many heatsinks and fans
and boxes and board that have yet to be harvested and who knows what else.
And no matter what I'm looking for at any one time, I can never seem to find
it!  How do you organized YOUR junk?

(I THINK I'm particularly interested in ways you group and/or separate new
parts from harvested parts and such - that seems to be one of the big
complications ...)

BillW

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2002\10\19@043547 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, William Chops Westfield wrote:

*>Maybe I'm just getting too much and my problem is unsolvable, but...  How do
*>y'all organize your parts collection (from a hobbyist/researchy lab
*>perspective, not "production parts")?  Some things I've got enough of for
*>them to justify their own little boxes, some things are in tubes, there's

Imho you must reserve two things for the junk:

1. One full sized storage cabinet
2. One week per year to throw out what you need to avoid the need of space
  from increasing. <no smiley here>

As to how you store the parts, original packaging is best, loose parts can
be put in antistatic bags or ordinary envelopes, and whatever you do, keep
a list. Probably in your computer.

hope this helps,

Peter

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2002\10\19@105247 by DFansler

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My solution to the problem of being a collector - i.e. packrat - was to
write an Access database program that allows me to locate items by
description, location or part number.  I have 2200 different items in my
database, so you can see how it would help.  I have a number of drawer
cabinets, large and small, that are numbered.  I also have a number of boxes
that I also number as "Box 1, Box 2", etc.  My database is available online
at http://www.dv-fansler.com/David/stufffor.htm.  Click on Inventory
Database and you can download the mdb file.  You can delete all my entries
and fill them with your own.  The version on my website is for Access 97,
although I have run the mdb file through the Access 2000 conversion and it
works fine under Access 2000 also.

David V. Fansler
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2002\10\19@120013 by SM Ling

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Small parts that are few in numbers are the tricky ones.  I tried not to
over-organize, my main objective is to be able to locate the parts
relatively fast but not spot-on.

1.  Start off with a broad division (depending from parts to parts and what
I have),
2.  I use the clear-plastic bag snormally reuse the packing bag); with
heat-sealer, divide the bag into smaller sections, to put  other parts that
are related.  Each section is labeled.  The opening is at the top.  Some I
sealed off the top as well if they are not used often as humidity is always
100% here.
3.  Related bags are then put into a clear plastic box.  Drying agents are
included.
4.  Less frequently used related box are then put inside paper box. More
drying agents are included.  The paper-box are then stacked.

This I reduce the space and boxes.  As items are packed closely, the reduced
number of boxes and higher-centralization ease some of my searching "fear".
Locating the bag is normally a relative fast process.  After I locate the
bag, I unroll it to read the label and retrieve the part.  As my part grow,
I might need to handle more than 1 bag to locate the part (at most 2).  As
the other bag is just beside, it is not a problem.  If the sequencing get
too out of hand, I just reorganize the few bags.

Yet to do is an inventory list to be posted on the web, not for me, but for
my friends.  So to reduce the stocking pain.

Cheers, Ling SM

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2002\10\19@163342 by Andrew Mcdowell

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The way that I seperate my new parts from harvested parts is by marking the
parts that were removed from equipment with a small red dot from a paint
marker, and I keep these in the same containers as the new parts. I also use
this system, but with different colors, to indicate parts that may have been
damaged or broken by extreme heat or static electricity.

Andrew McDowell

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2002\10\19@171130 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Andrew Mcdowell wrote:
> The way that I seperate my new parts from harvested parts is by
> marking the parts that were removed from equipment with a small red
> dot from a paint marker, and I keep these in the same containers as
> the new parts. I also use this system, but with different colors, to
> indicate parts that may have been damaged or broken by extreme heat
> or static electricity.
>
> Andrew McDowell


During many years I use to store several thousand parts, pulled, used, new,
tested, untested, etc.
After spending many hours per year just to sort and save, I realize that my
time values much more than the component cost, so, at least for small and
low cost parts (as resistors, etc) I don't care anymore, from protoboard to
trash. If I could not afford to buy a thousand resistors at Digikey by $13,
then probably I should move to another profession.

Of course, I still with zillions of things I don't even know what is in the
boxes, but now I don't spend precious time just to save a 1.3 cent
resistor.  If you put away 200 resistors per year, we are talking about 2.6
DOLLARS!  I guess you waste much more than that just in AC power to the
headset lamp during your "used resistor sort and store".  More than the
resistors, you can start to lose your sanity.

Prepare to have a bunch of 10k resistors... :)

W46NER.

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2002\10\19@175846 by Jinx

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> During many years I use to store several thousand parts, pulled, used,
> new, tested, untested, etc.After spending many hours per year just to
> sort and save, I realize that my time values much more than the
> component cost, so, at least for small and low cost parts (as resistors,
> etc) I don't care anymore, from protoboard to trash

Me too. I collected and stripped pre-loved equipment for a few years
and have more than enough reserves of caps and resistors. I'll still
take more exotic trash like fax machines for the motors, LCDs,
switches and so on. Hardware is the most economic to go after (eg
a couple of minutes to envulturate a $100 LCD), or hard-to-get pieces
like the IR receivers mentioned the other day, but 1/8W resistors ? Nah

Make friends with a repair shop, it only goes to the tip anyway

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2002\10\19@183907 by Doug Butler

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Baby food jars and a labeling machine.

For bigger stuff I have prefab "Bin boxes", cardboard bins about 6" x 18" x
4" deep that line up on shelves.  Not just parts but partially done projects
can go in the bin boxes.

Doug Butler
Sherpa Engineering


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2002\10\19@193121 by Olin Lathrop

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> How do y'all organize your parts collection

Like this (see attached).  There's also a closet full of larger stuff that
is less well organized.

> (I THINK I'm particularly interested in ways you group and/or separate new
> parts from harvested parts and such - that seems to be one of the big
> complications ...)

I don't make a distinction between new and used.  Most parts are new because
in the vast majority of cases an individual new part is far cheaper than the
labor to salvage one from an assembly.

I have drawers for ranges of resistance values (the left most column in the
picture), like 100 - 130 ohm, 130 - 180 ohm, 180 - 240 ohm, plus drawers for
specific common values that I have lots of.  This way everything that comes
in at least has a place, but I can chose to give it its own private drawer
if it makes sense.  The same general idea holds for capacitors (the next
column to the right).  A bunch of physically large capacitors are in a bag
in a closet - oh well.

Otherwise, each different parts gets its own drawer.  The third colum from
left is discrete semiconductors on the bottom (diodes, individual
transistors, etc) and other discrete parts (inductors, crystals, etc) on
top.  The next column is microcontrollers on top, 74xxx type logic in the
middle, and other digital chips bottom.  The second column from right is
analog ICs (opamps, voltage regulators, etc).  The right column is
connectors on top and other mechanical parts on the bottom.  As you can see,
I'm running out of room for more connectors.  Time to get some more
cabinets.

By the way, I like the Akro Mills 5 x 10 drawer "small parts" cabinets.  The
left column is two of these stacked.


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2002\10\19@201046 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
>> How do y'all organize your parts collection
>
> Like this (see attached).  There's also a closet full of larger stuff
> that is less well organized.


Man, what happened at your bench?  wife just visited with a trash can and a
strong vacuum cleaner?
:)

I can even see the table top shinning... that's amazing.

Where are those many tools spread around, pens, papers, books, wires,
chips, cables, sample boxes, probe wires, calculator, cell phone, glue,
CD's, diskettes, don't forget about the medicines, empty coke can, some
wife's jewllery to fix, some batteries to recharge, some bad batteries,
etc?  or do you have a huge drawer under the bench?

I can fix your bench in 15 minutes... :)

Good selection for the Weller WES50!

W46NER.

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2002\10\19@202330 by William Chops Westfield

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> During many years I use to store several thousand parts, pulled, used,
> new, tested, untested, etc.After spending many hours per year just to
> sort and save, I realize that my time values much more than the
> component cost, so, at least for small and low cost parts (as resistors,
> etc) I don't care anymore, from protoboard to trash

In some sense, this is part of my problem.  Having reached a level
of... financial independence, I've been buying parts in more significant
lots than I used to.  No more 5-at-a-time resistors from radios shack, or
harvested from old stuff.  Now I get the 100-packs from Fry's, or reels of
SMTs from eBay.  Trouble is, those are BIGGER than the collections I used to
have, so the little 2x3 manilla envelopes I used to use just don't cut it
anymore.  The rather larger drawers in "component kits" don't do too well,
either, although perhaps I can cut strips of "working stock" off of the
reels and store the reels elsewhere...

Meanwhile, the stuff I harvest and DO save is also bigger.  Inductors and
transformers and power supplies and LCD displays and fans and large filter
caps and power transistors and such.  I suppose I ought to just give up on
the harvesting aspect, but I'll STILL have the organizational issues with
the collections of "bought" stuff...

BillW

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2002\10\20@052948 by Jinx

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> For comparison see my bench *after* a big cleanup. (Parts
> store is in a tower behind my back, various cabinets, the attic, and
> the garage.)

Now THAT's a work-bench ;-)

Gimme a space and I'll fill it !!

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2002\10\20@061358 by Katinka Mills

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Maybe I should take one of my work bench ATM (and yes it has 4 jobs on the
run  (10x Fm Stereo Tx units, Modifying 40 Tait Trunk Radio's, A design for
a customer that is in prototyping stage and an ongoing project of writing an
assembler to run on the Mac for the AVR's). All this takes just under 16' of
bench space ;o)

Kat. (who really needs a cleaning Man (/me looks at the list of eligible
bachelors on the Pic list ;o)


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2002\10\20@074858 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Gimme a space and I'll fill it !!

Yeah, and I am not alone (note the plastic elephant), and its my wife's
PC workplace too (and that notebook below the paperwork is hers).

W

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2002\10\20@121943 by Ray Gallant

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From: "Doug Butler"

> Baby food jars and a labeling machine.
>
> For bigger stuff I have prefab "Bin boxes", cardboard bins about 6" x 18"
x
> 4" deep that line up on shelves.  Not just parts but partially done
projects
> can go in the bin boxes.
>
My design resistors are mostly all metal film (MRS) and in value order in
bin cabinets. I have antistatic open-end boxes filled with numerous plastic
jars. My family and I have been collecting (clear) plastic peanut butter
jars forever. These are in two sizes and all labeled on the cover and jar
body. For larger assemblies, I utilize antistatic bags and 2 litre ice cream
tubs all labeled. Sections include power resistors, connectors, LCD's, large
thyristors, large caps, small motors, solenoids, keypads, speakers, audio
alarms, mics, sensors and so on. All my IC's are in anti-static carrier in
manufacturer alphanumeric order thereafter in bins. My zeners are in voltage
order, stuck in antistatic type form. Fans, large motors, transformers are
kept on a lower shelf. Old PCBs are on slotted wooden boards in antistatic
boxes. The aim was to keep the dust on the components to a minimum. RH & TH
are not a problem here. Good luck!

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2002\10\20@165731 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Jinx wrote:
>> For comparison see my bench *after* a big cleanup. (Parts
>> store is in a tower behind my back, various cabinets, the attic, and
>> the garage.)
>
> Now THAT's a work-bench ;-)
>
> Gimme a space and I'll fill it !!

and he has a window!!! that's not fair.

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2002\10\20@174645 by Jinx

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> > Gimme a space and I'll fill it !!
>
> and he has a window!!! that's not fair.

I have one too. I can look out and see people having fun. Bastards ;-)

My space problem isn't so much with electronic components, at
least they tend to be small and are boxable. Stockpiles of wood
and metal for other work are a bit harder to manage, especially
in a humid climate like Auckland's

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2002\10\20@180938 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Jinx wrote:
>>> Gimme a space and I'll fill it !!
>>
>> and he has a window!!! that's not fair.
>
> I have one too. I can look out and see people having fun. Bastards ;-)
>
> My space problem isn't so much with electronic components, at
> least they tend to be small and are boxable. Stockpiles of wood
> and metal for other work are a bit harder to manage, especially
> in a humid climate like Auckland's


Ok, I did it.
You can check all the 3 pictures sent at;
http://www.angelfire.com/apes/desk/

If you want your picture to be posted, please follow instructions at the
page.
Don't be ashamed of the space you live and work almost 40% of your life, be
proud of it, even being a warm mess of wires. You are welcome even if you
have enough time to clean, degrease and store the wires carefully into silk
bags.

wagner.

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2002\10\20@185619 by rusque (Listas)

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Hello Doug (also Olin, Wouter, Wagner et all),

> My family and I have been collecting (clear) plastic peanut butter
> jars forever. These are in two sizes and all labeled on the cover and jar

   this remembers that I have a lot of CDs on it's original clear/black
plastic boxes that's always breaking. I've bough some CDs folders, but I
don't like it. What I really like is that thin CD plastic/texture envelopes
that's used for packing the CDs that comes with magazine, but I never found
a shop where I could buy it.

   Someone knows where can I find those envelopes?

   Thank you very much,

   Brusque

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2002\10\20@200128 by Olin Lathrop

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>     this remembers that I have a lot of CDs on it's original clear/black
> plastic boxes that's always breaking. I've bough some CDs folders, but I
> don't like it. What I really like is that thin CD plastic/texture
envelopes
> that's used for packing the CDs that comes with magazine, but I never
found
> a shop where I could buy it.

I'm not totally sure what you are talking about.  I use a lot of the CD
holders meant for 3 ring notebooks.  You can fit a lot of CDs for the volume
and still have them indexed.  Century Plastics has the best selection of
things that hold CDs that I know of.


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2002\10\20@204353 by Russell McMahon

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>     Someone knows where can I find those envelopes?

Consider Tyvec (or paper) sleeves off old 5.25" floppy disks.
What !!! ????????? - you threw out all your old 5.25" floppies ??????
Shame!

               RM

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2002\10\20@210248 by Bob Barr

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:38:02 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote:

>>     Someone knows where can I find those envelopes?
>
>Consider Tyvec (or paper) sleeves off old 5.25" floppy disks.
>What !!! ????????? - you threw out all your old 5.25" floppies ??????
>Shame!
>

Yeah, the sleeves from the 8" floppies are just too big for CDs. :=)


Regards, Bob

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2002\10\20@232846 by William Chops Westfield

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> this remembers that I have a lot of CDs on it's original clear/black
> plastic boxes that's always breaking. I've bough some CDs folders,
> but I don't like it. What I really like is that thin CD
> plastic/texture envelopes that's used for packing the CDs that comes
> with magazine, but I never found a shop where I could buy it.

They do seem extraordinarilly rare, especially since they're so common
from the "industry" side, and have GOT to be very cheap indeed...

http://www.cyberguys.com/ seems to have a wide selection of such things, at
rather reasonable prices.  Paper, Tyvek, vinyl, Polyethylene, dual, quad,
binder pages, self-adhesive, and on and on.  Haven't actually ordered from
them, but it looks like a good place...

I tend to prefer the CD binders for long-term storage - individual CDs
are too prone to loss and/or damage no matter how they're stored.

BillW

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2002\10\21@005226 by PicDude

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Edson Brusque scribbled:
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>     Someone knows where can I find those envelopes?
>


Yep -- Google.  Just searched for "tyvek cd sleeves"
and came up with lots of sources.  Here's one...
http://www.sleevetown.com/tyvek-cd-sleeves.shtml


I've been looking for something similar, but I think
the really slim plastic cases would work better for me.

Cheers,
-Neil.

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2002\10\21@022313 by XygaX

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Yeah but man with clean desk must spend all of his time cleaning it !!!!
Steve...

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Jinx wrote:
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Ok, I did it.
You can check all the 3 pictures sent at;
http://www.angelfire.com/apes/desk/

If you want your picture to be posted, please follow instructions at the
page.
Don't be ashamed of the space you live and work almost 40% of your life,
be
proud of it, even being a warm mess of wires. You are welcome even if
you
have enough time to clean, degrease and store the wires carefully into
silk
bags.

wagner.

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2002\10\21@044333 by rgenbrise Ent. Co., Ltd.

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Hi!

I'm not sure where you located, but such a material is very very cheap and
popular in Far East, like I'm in Taiwan. Every 100pcs by the price of
NT$30.-~50.- (US$0.86 ~1.43) I don't remember exactly. Made by some kind of
soft plastic in different colors & non woven cloth. with 2 or 4 holes at
side which you may bind them into a folder when necessary.

Good Luck!

Paul Tsai / Taipei



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2002\10\21@070633 by Alan B. Pearce

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One item I like for storing small items is the plastic 35mm film containers.
Preferably the clear(ish) ones that Fuji supply. Ideal for things like nuts
and bolts, but OK for SMT passives. Do not know how well they go for static
electricity, but would be OK if the components are in a antistatic bag
inside the container.

I like the idea of mounting the lids on a length of wood with a screw
through the centre, and then clipping the "body" containing the components
onto it. Each stick contains a specific family of parts (a decade of SMT
resistors for example). Keeps similar items together, and in a large enough
chunk to be easily handled without lots of tiny items floating around.

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2002\10\21@140323 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

*>One item I like for storing small items is the plastic 35mm film containers.
*>Preferably the clear(ish) ones that Fuji supply. Ideal for things like nuts
*>and bolts, but OK for SMT passives. Do not know how well they go for static
*>electricity, but would be OK if the components are in a antistatic bag
*>inside the container.

The static situation is bad. HDPE is about a good a dielectric as they
get. Spray the inside of the cans with fabric softener spray and let it
dry. This should fix static. I've used stacked HDPE film cans to make
electrometers and other static related devices ... it insulates much
better than glass f.ex. The fabric softener usually works because it
contains organic substances that form a conductive film on just about any
plastic with air moisture. You can check before and after by rubbing the
can with a polyethylene bag or real bristle brush and trying to attract
some dust with it.

Peter

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2002\10\21@141606 by rusque (Listas)

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Hello William, PicDude, Morgenbrise et all,

From: "William Chops Westfield" <.....billwKILLspamspam.....CISCO.COM>
> http://www.cyberguys.com/ seems to have a wide selection of such things,
at
> rather reasonable prices.  Paper, Tyvek, vinyl, Polyethylene, dual, quad,
> binder pages, self-adhesive, and on and on.  Haven't actually ordered from
> them, but it looks like a good place...

   very interesting shop, the TWIST COLOR LIGHT FAN seems very cool. :)

   Anyway, Lipnharski sugested a clever way for me to shop this is USA.

   Thank you all,

   Brusque

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