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'[EE]: Tones for scaring birds'
2002\10\28@185040 by David Duffy

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I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.
David...
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2002\10\28@185704 by Doug Hewett

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Can you play the sound of a natural enemy, such as an owl?
Doug Hewett

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I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.
David...
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2002\10\28@185912 by Dal Wheeler

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Hehe, the fish hatchery near my in-laws place has a propane cannon that goes
off at irregular intervals.  It might be fun to build some pic based
munitions.  :')
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2002\10\28@191403 by Dipperstein, Michael

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> From: David Duffy [davidspamspam_OUTAUDIOVISUALDEVICES.COM.AU]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:52 PM

> I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
> from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
> damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
> to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
> at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
> with this type of thing?

There are fields across the street from the building I work in that set off
rockets that give a high pitched whine as they go up and then explode.
Sometimes it sounds like a war zone outside (not that I've ever been to one).
We had a lot of fun trying to shoot a training video outside during one of the
rocket sessions.

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2002\10\28@192654 by Lyle Killough

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I have heard of this being done in cherry orchards around here by
playing back distress calls from the same species.  I have a hazy memory
of a commercial product which does this, but I can't be of much more
help than that.  I do recall listening to an interview with the
inventor, and that he was a little cagy about how he got the distress
calls in the first place. . .

Good luck! (I didn't know that there are starlings in Australia.)

Lyle


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2002\10\28@205642 by Dave King

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At 09:52 AM 29/10/02 +1000, you wrote:
>I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
>from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
>damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
>to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
>at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
>with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
>to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.
>David...

They imported starlings locally to control some other pest in
the 50's and surprise surprise the starlings became the pest.
They tried to aural tones which were ineffective, the birds just got
used to the noise and the humans didn't. Recordings of preditors
lasted a bit longer. The buggers even got used to the propane cannons
which ruined all sorts of fun making things go boom and saying it was
a bird cannon going off.

As stupid as it sounds a large inflatable owl works the best, especially
if it moves a bit with the wind. As long as you don't get human scent on
it, ie don't put it up while coated in after shave they work right away. We
have a couple of these up in the apple and cherry trees and they still work
after about 10 years.

I guess the little buggers just don't get used to the idea of being some ones
main course.

Dave

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2002\10\28@205650 by David Duffy

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David:
> > I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
> > from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
> > damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was to
> > us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
> > at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
> > with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
> > to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.

Lyle:
>I have heard of this being done in cherry orchards around here by
>playing back distress calls from the same species.  I have a hazy memory
>of a commercial product which does this, but I can't be of much more
>help than that.  I do recall listening to an interview with the
>inventor, and that he was a little cagy about how he got the distress
>calls in the first place. . .

I was thinking of predator calls or just plain annoying sounds.

>Good luck! (I didn't know that there are starlings in Australia.)

Not sure if the final client is in Oz. (my client is though)
I wouldn't know what they looked like if I fell over one.
Hmmm... maybe that's how he got that recording! :-)
David...
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2002\10\28@210040 by Terence Gunderson

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There are companies that specialize in scaring away birds by playing
screeching  Owl sounds.  You would find these companies listed under pest
control.  They have the sounds amplified and the speakers are hidden inside
Owl forms.

The sound, if it is played too often, not only scares away the birds but
drives people crazy.

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> Can you play the sound of a natural enemy, such as an owl?
> Doug Hewett
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2002\10\28@212454 by Jeff

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you should check nature books, it has been tried with cannon
unsuccessfully--evidently starlings can drive whole towns nuts
Jeff
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2002\10\29@044640 by Roman Black

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David Duffy wrote:
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> I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
> from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
> damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
> to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
> at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
> with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
> to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.


Maybe try a high power ultrasonic system, I
believe that birds in general have excellent and
quite sensitive hearing in the >20kHz range.

Some cheap 100W hifi piezos spread around and a
nasty high-power (300W??) squarewave driver, changing
notes randomly and with random timing but all
ultrasonic. You should be able to get it so irritating
that no bird will stay in there very long. In an open
field you might not get the pressure levels and need
predator calls, but inside a factory shed I think
you can get the pain levels right up there for
the little darlings. ;o)

The piezos are also fairly directional at those
freqs so you should be able to keep most of the
sound power up high in the shed too.
-Roman

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2002\10\29@095644 by Cris Wilson

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At 09:52 AM 10/29/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
>from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
>damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
>to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
>at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
>with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
>to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.

I used to be plagued by those birds in a shed that I own that is
also open. I used a plastic owl for years, but then that stopped
working. What I do now is leave a ceiling fan running in my shed.
I'm not exactly sure why it works, but as long as I leave the fan
running on low, no birds of any kind dare fly into or through my shed.

One of my neighbors adopted a screech owl that had been
hit by a car and could no longer fly. He lets it live in his shed and
feeds it, in return the owl scares away lots of pests - including
curious children - of course he does have to live with a screech
owl calling out.

Good luck getting rid of the pests.

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2002\10\29@131526 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Doug Hewett wrote:

*>Can you play the sound of a natural enemy, such as an owl?
*>Doug Hewett

I think owls don't hoot when they hunt. I think that they are the quietest
flying birds in the world. I can assure you that you can't hear a normal
sized owl fly until it is 2 meters from you, and even that requires that
it flap its wings, else you won't know it's there. This is because an
owl's feathers are a very special kind of down adapted for quiet flying
(no high speed vortexes)  and to not reflect any sounds from the
environment.

Peter

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2002\10\29@131532 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Dal Wheeler wrote:

*>Hehe, the fish hatchery near my in-laws place has a propane cannon that goes
*>off at irregular intervals.  It might be fun to build some pic based
*>munitions.  :')

200W bass speaker mounted at one end of four meters of drain plumbing and
connected to a car battery through a relay every now and then ?

Peter

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2002\10\29@131535 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Terence Gunderson wrote:

*>There are companies that specialize in scaring away birds by playing
*>screeching  Owl sounds.  You would find these companies listed under pest
*>control.  They have the sounds amplified and the speakers are hidden inside
*>Owl forms.
*>
*>The sound, if it is played too often, not only scares away the birds but
*>drives people crazy.

Are you sure the owls make the sounds when hunting ? Or does it not
matter.

Peter

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2002\10\29@135642 by David Minkler

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"Peter L. Peres" wrote:
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> 200W bass speaker mounted at one end of four meters of drain plumbing and
> connected to a car battery through a relay every now and then ?
>
Electronic didgeridoo (sub-bass model)

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2002\10\29@152516 by 4HAZ

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> "Peter L. Peres" wrote:
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> > 200W bass speaker mounted at one end of four meters of drain plumbing and
> > connected to a car battery through a relay every now and then ?
> >
> Electronic didgeridoo (sub-bass model)
Actually 200W is overkill, a 4 ohm speaker rated for 60 watts RMS would hold up quite well at 12~15 Vdc, but then again with today's rating system a 200w rated speaker is what maybe 5 watts RMS?
Seems like the modern rating system is based on how much peak power it takes to instantly blow the speaker.

Lonnie - KF4HAZ -

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2002\10\29@183213 by Jonathan Johnson

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That must be why they use them for the mail at hogwarts ;-)

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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Doug Hewett wrote:

*>Can you play the sound of a natural enemy, such as an owl?
*>Doug Hewett

I think owls don't hoot when they hunt. I think that they are the quietest
flying birds in the world. I can assure you that you can't hear a normal
sized owl fly until it is 2 meters from you, and even that requires that
it flap its wings, else you won't know it's there. This is because an
owl's feathers are a very special kind of down adapted for quiet flying
(no high speed vortexes)  and to not reflect any sounds from the
environment.

Peter

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2002\10\30@123848 by Peter L. Peres

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On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, FalconWireless Tech Support - KF4HAZ wrote:

*>> > 200W bass speaker mounted at one end of four meters of drain plumbing and
*>> > connected to a car battery through a relay every now and then ?
*>> >
*>> Electronic didgeridoo (sub-bass model)
*>Actually 200W is overkill, a 4 ohm speaker rated for 60 watts RMS would hold up quite well at 12~15 Vdc, but then again with today's rating system a 200w rated speaker is what maybe 5 watts RMS?
*>Seems like the modern rating system is based on how much peak power it takes to instantly blow the speaker.

Me I'd use a dc/dc converter to up the voltage and discharge a 1000uF/350V
cap into the speaker ;-) I did not mention this detail ;-) This has been
tried in the lab (using a normal old speaker box) and it did feel like a
punch in the stomach in a small closed room.

Peter

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2002\10\30@123854 by Peter L. Peres

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Jonathan Johnson wrote:

*>That must be why they use them for the mail at hogwarts ;-)

Huh ? What are hogwarts ?

Peter

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2002\10\30@142930 by Paul Hutchinson

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Hogwarts is the wizard school Harry Potter attends.

Paul

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2002\10\30@151017 by Olin Lathrop

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> I have a customer who needs to scare birds (Starlings) away
> from inside a shed area so that they don't nest in there and
> damage large machinery being stored. My first thought was
> to us a PIC to generate tones that the birds don't like played
> at semi-random intervals. Does anyone have any experience
> with this type of thing? The shed is not sealed (not possible
> to do easily) so just shutting them out is not an option.
> David...

Airports have related problems.  One of the solutions does envolve noise.
Perhaps you can get some ideas from airport systems.


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2002\10\30@151018 by Olin Lathrop

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> Can you play the sound of a natural enemy, such as an owl?

I don't think owls prey on starlings, but snakes and falcons do.  So just
play a snake call <g>.


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2002\10\30@170158 by Olin Lathrop

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> Huh ? What are hogwarts ?

Sorry, muggles aren't allowed to know about Hogwarts.  Jonathan is going
to be in trouble with the Ministry of Magic <g>.


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2002\10\30@191202 by Jonathan Johnson

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you could just let an air compressor hose slowly leak ;-)
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2002\10\31@063034 by Alan B. Pearce

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>*>That must be why they use them for the mail at hogwarts ;-)

>Huh ? What are hogwarts ?

Oh dear, someone who does not know who Harry Potter is :)))))

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2002\10\31@183942 by Russell McMahon

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> > Huh ? What are hogwarts ?

allegedly Olin said -

> Sorry, muggles aren't allowed to know about Hogwarts.  Jonathan is going
> to be in trouble with the Ministry of Magic <g>.

This reply purports to come from Olin. I think someone must be spoofing
originator's signatures here. Maybe someone could check :-)


       RM

((Well done Oliin))

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'[EE]: Tones for scaring birds'
2002\11\01@020136 by Jonathan Johnson
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I'll bet you it was old Professor Snape.......;-)

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2002\11\02@032439 by Peter L. Peres

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Olin Lathrop wrote:

*>> Huh ? What are hogwarts ?
*>
*>Sorry, muggles aren't allowed to know about Hogwarts.  Jonathan is going
*>to be in trouble with the Ministry of Magic <g>.

I don't know about you but in my empty box there is a serious separation
wall between story characters and places and real ones.

Peter

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2002\11\02@050834 by Peter L. Peres

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

*>>*>That must be why they use them for the mail at hogwarts ;-)
*>
*>>Huh ? What are hogwarts ?
*>
*>Oh dear, someone who does not know who Harry Potter is :)))))

Yep. I resisted heriocally and won.

Peter

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2002\11\02@051709 by Jonathan Johnson

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I got an owl this morning with a warning from Mr Fudge....says if it happens
again I'll be clearing out his infestation of boggarts in the ministry
dungeon <g>

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2002\11\02@052535 by Jonathan Johnson

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You really don't know what you are missing out on.....I avoided the series
up until about a month ago, looked a lil short for my tastes, I hate just
getting into a book then its over. But once I read the first one the
second -fourth were very quickly followed through with.

Garn....rise to the challenge:-) the first one's only 200 odd pages...I
promise you'll be a better man for it;-)

Jonathan

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2002\11\02@052540 by Jonathan Johnson

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I think we'll need a memory charm for this one Olin.....your on the task
force aren't you? ;-)

one question tho Peter.....Is your 'Empty Box' the one where the work
completed should be? :-J
I would have thought someone that is such a regular contributor to the list
as yourself would see the merit of a little bit of humour and imagination.

light-heartedly yours

Jonathan

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2002\11\02@060906 by elect phys

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Harry Potter, that was a movie, wasn't it ?

Why waste your time watching hollywood crap, when you could be
designing things or programming.

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2002\11\02@064006 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Jonathan Johnson wrote:

*>one question tho Peter.....Is your 'Empty Box' the one where the work
*>completed should be? :-J

Work ?! Completed ??!!! Now you're joking. I meant the little void between
my ears.

*>I would have thought someone that is such a regular contributor to the list
*>as yourself would see the merit of a little bit of humour and imagination.

Once you carefully explain what you are talking about the little candle
goes lit just as soon as I find the matches ;-)

Peter

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2002\11\02@064215 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, elect phys wrote:
*>> *>>Huh ? What are hogwarts ?
*>> *>
*>> *>Oh dear, someone who does not know who Harry Potter is :)))))
*>>
*>> Yep. I resisted heriocally and won.
*>Harry Potter, that was a movie, wasn't it ?
*>
*>Why waste your time watching hollywood crap, when you could be
*>designing things or programming.

Yes. But. By the way, Harry Potter was a few movies, a few books, and
especially a worldwide publicity campaign like never seen before.

Peter

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2002\11\02@124731 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Peter L. Peres wrote:
> I think owls don't hoot when they hunt. I think that they are the
> quietest flying birds in the world. I can assure you that you can't
> hear a normal sized owl fly until it is 2 meters from you, and even
> that requires that it flap its wings, else you won't know it's there.
> This is because an owl's feathers are a very special kind of down
> adapted for quiet flying (no high speed vortexes)  and to not reflect
> any sounds from the environment.

... are you describind a bird or the iF-22 jet fighter?

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2002\11\02@155435 by William Chops Westfield

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   You really don't know what you are missing out on.....I avoided the
   series up until about a month ago, looked a lil short for my tastes, I
   hate just getting into a book then its over. But once I read the first
   one the second -fourth were very quickly followed through with.

Heh.  Don't you have moral objections to books that incorporate "read me"
spells?  I wouldn't worry about Fudge, though.  Wizard law enforcement
seems to leave a lot to be desired. :-(

BillW, who's read the first three books something like 2.5 times (once to
check them out, once to my eldest daughter, and a half-time (alternating
chapters with the wife - rather odd) to the middle son.

It's also interesting in that it resulted in the first movie in a long time
that really made an effort not to piss off people who had read the book.

BillW

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2002\11\02@160212 by William Chops Westfield

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   Yes. But. By the way, Harry Potter was a few movies, a few books, and
   especially a worldwide publicity campaign like never seen before.

Well, it was three quite reasonable juvenile books rather before the big
publicity campaign...

I liked the one review that said something like "interesting things happen
on nearly every page."  I've read a lot of books to our kids, and the HP
books were pretty exceptional.  (Oh, there are lots of books I like better,
but a lot of those don't read aloud nearly as well.)

BillW

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2002\11\02@163804 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Wagner Lipnharski wrote:

*>... are you describind a bird or the iF-22 jet fighter?

The bird. There are several articles about owls, at least one in National
Geographic. Very strange bird. Did you know that a good-size looking owl
is very small under the thick plumage ?

Peter

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